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How many of you guys would call yourself a satanist

  • 15-09-2010 09:40PM
    #1
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    just though id ask, I wish there was a Satanism forum but there is not so how many of you guys are Satanist or would identify with some believes of Satanism not theistic of course :pac:


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  • #2
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    Probably not many.

    Although I have done some half-baked online research into the topic before, and it seems harmless enough. It's almost like a very tongue-in-cheek parody religion.


  • #3
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    well im talking la veyan Satanism basicly an "atheistic religion"


  • #4
    stevejazzx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    I was surprised to find that quite a few guys on here were into Levey Satanism before. Not my cup of tea at all...the dark lord and all that jazz kinda missed me by when I was young - like an obscure Finnish rock back he was.


  • #5
    Darlughda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    No. Satanism is a religion. Its the worship obey a deity stuff.


  • #6
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    well they dont actually believe in satan. you know that right?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
    i dont believe in the magic stuff thats just a joke imo


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  • #7
    Darlughda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    Fair enough, I am not very au fait with the ins and out of satanism.

    As far as I understood, it was 'do as you will' kind of creed unlike the wiccan crede of 'do as you will as long at its harms none', and there was actual worship of deities in the form of Lucifer and stuff going on.

    But hey. What do I know? Please enlighten me

    Just the fella you want to bring home to MammyAnton_LaVey_photo.jpg


  • #8
    stevejazzx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    well they dont actually believe in satan. you know that right?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
    i dont believe in the magic stuff thats just a joke imo


    Oh no..I got a lecture on this before...I know it's a lifestyle thingy etc. etc. not into it. Zillah is I believe...he'll fix you up.


  • #9
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    well im kinda my own brand of wicca ,atheism and Satanism i believe do what you want unless it harms someone or something, i put satanism in the same vain as some "brands" of Buddhism


  • #10
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    how many of you guys are Satanist
    Satan.

    Lemme think.

    Isn't he that reddish guy with the horns and fork and smoking shoes that causes all the woe in the world?

    If so, then you're in the wrong forum -- I think they've more time for him here.


  • #11
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    robindch wrote: »
    Satan.

    Lemme think.

    Isn't he that reddish guy with the horns and fork and smoking shoes that causes all the woe in the world?

    If so, then you're in the wrong forum -- I think they've more time for him here.

    read some of the posts in between the op and now..... anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism


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  • #12
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    well im kinda my own brand of wicca ,atheism and Satanism i believe do what you want unless it harms someone or something, i put satanism in the same vain as some "brands" of Buddhism

    Ok. Honest answer. How many black tee shirts do you own and have you ever thought.."hmmmm. I could use a wee bit more black eye liner"


  • #13
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    read some of the posts in between the op and now..... anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism
    Ha!


  • #14
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism
    Ahem. Shush.


  • #15
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Ok. Honest answer. How many black tee shirts do you own and have you ever thought.."hmmmm. I could use a wee bit more black eye liner"

    im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"
    mikhail wrote: »
    Ha!

    i know right? im disputing it
    Dades wrote: »
    Ahem. Shush.

    woops sorry , no more mention of it, but i was just trying to tell you why i cant post in there


  • #16
    Waking-Dreams
    Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Waking-Dreams


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"

    As someone who went through their adolescence listening almost exclusively to metal and has been well immersed in the subculture, there is/was a massive element of anti-religious and sometimes, pro-satan sentiment or whatever present -- from the overall image and aesthetic of Black Metal (the corpse paint & upside-down crosses) to your average run-of-the-mill bands who just limit it to discussing some topics in their lyrics.

    Of course, looking back now, I can see it's just something that young people or teenagers happen to identify with, along with all the other forms of anti-conformity. To be honest, I find the whole Satanism stuff pretty damn cheesy. Bands like Akercocke, Deicide, et al. might write decent music, but what they write about is nothing more than poetic fiction which speaks to impressionable teenagers, who are looking to identify with something anti-mainstream.

    As you mentioned, it also becomes something teenagers like to use as a 'shock value' on certain others. “I'm a Satanist; your Christian beliefs are inferior to mine!” etc etc. Just like with the people who identify as being part of the counterculture; Satanism is just another set of gestures that provides entertainment for the rebels.

    To label oneself as a “Satanist”, is to me, a little superfluous. What particular values does Satanism espouse that aren't followed by plenty of people already? I personally see it as self-indulgent entertainment. Harmless stuff, I guess. We were all young once.


  • #17
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    Black metal hasn't influenced me most black promotes paganism and theistic Satanism.
    I don't tell anyone apart from people on the net "hey im a Satanist are you shocked?, yeah? well job well done then"


  • #18
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    Oh no..I got a lecture on this before...I know it's a lifestyle thingy etc. etc. not into it. Zillah is I believe...he'll fix you up.

    I'm not a card carrying member, but yes I find their philosophy not entirely at odds with my own. I always thought there was a certain irony to joining an organisation founded upon individualism.

    La Vey Satanism can be basically summarised as "Act however you like, just don't break the law." It is about pride, dignity, self-improvement and indulging that urge to be cruel to those who irritate you. There is a great deal of melodrama and showmanship to Satanism, but one must remember that they are very honest about that. They understand the psychological benefits of ritual and suspension of disbelief, they're just honest about their use of it, unlike theistic religions.

    On occassion La Vey's writings can seem to be getting a little mystical, with reference to Satan as an extant primal force rather than a metaphor, or dark rituals having literal power. I've not read in sufficient detail to quite explain it, but I would image it is just an example of the afformentioned melodrama.

    Yes I wear black pretty much all the time. I also have a fondness for long coats, but only because cloaks are no longer popular. Those classy ones with a metal clasp at the nape would be ideal. Alas for long dead fashions.


  • #19
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Waking-Dreams wrote: »
    To label oneself as a “Satanist”, is to me, a little superfluous. What particular values does Satanism espouse that aren't followed by plenty of people already? I personally see it as self-indulgent entertainment. Harmless stuff, I guess. We were all young once.

    Young?

    350px-Peter_H_Gilmore_2_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

    This is the current leader of The Church of Satan, Peter Gilmore. No it's not Orson Welles. La Vey Satanism is a pretty complex philosophical, moral and social system, an accurate grasp of which I would say is beyond the majority of teenagers. If you think we are talking about the juvenile theistic Satanism theatrically deployed by metal bands then I'm afraid the thread topic has gone a little over your head.
    robindch wrote: »
    Satan.

    Lemme think.

    Isn't he that reddish guy with the horns and fork and smoking shoes that causes all the woe in the world?

    Nope, that's The Devil. La Vey Satanism argues that Satan is man's desire to assert his pride, will and independence, the antagonist of the repressive, cowardly and hypocritical faiths of the world. It transcends individual representations of it in the various religions. Satanism is far more appropriate here than in Christianity forum, as it is explicitly non-theistic.


  • #20
    Azure_sky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭Azure_sky


    Philosophical Satanism does exist, it's called capitalism/ me feiners. :pac:
    Anywho, it's a pretty redundant pseudo philosophy/religion. He just plagarised aload of stuff from Nietzsche and added some silly histrionic rituals.:rolleyes:
    I am not a philosophical Satanist, mainly because if everyone adhered to its principles society would fall apart. The current state of this country is a prime example of this.


  • #21
    Kynlee Calm Hoe
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kynlee Calm Hoe


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    well im kinda my own brand of wicca ,atheism and Satanism i believe do what you want unless it harms someone or something, i put satanism in the same vain as some "brands" of Buddhism

    You're "your own brand" of a secret oathbound religion, are you? Are you even old enough to be a wiccan?


    sigh


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  • #22
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"




    Guessed as much. My wife is a Wiccan and yes we do have a mutual "Do not rant at each other" policy. At times I think shes nuts and she thinks Im a Vulcan . Shes quite well known in 'those circles' and has to spend much of her time fending off teenagers who want to latch onto her to piss off their parents. Wicca for all its nuttyness is a very solitary and gentle system/ belief/ what ever.


  • #23
    Waking-Dreams
    Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Waking-Dreams


    Zillah wrote: »
    Young?

    350px-Peter_H_Gilmore_2_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

    This is the current leader of The Church of Satan, Peter Gilmore. No it's not Orson Welles. La Vey Satanism is a pretty complex philosophical, moral and social system, an accurate grasp of which I would say is beyond the majority of teenagers. If you think we are talking about the juvenile theistic Satanism theatrically deployed by metal bands then I'm afraid the thread topic has gone a little over your head.

    Nope, not at all. Being a fan of the band Akercocke (who are all fully grown adult men and identify themselves as Satanists) I do understand it is considered a complex philosophy by its followers; a code to live by, and many probably resent the fact that it has been misrepresented by some particular metal bands with a penchant for the melodramatic and theatrical.

    Be that as it may, I still see it as a redundant pseudo-philosophy; entertainment for the rebel culture who want to differentiate from mainstream beliefs, identity, etc. Nothing wrong with that, but like you said, ironic that followers would join an organisation based on individualism, and label themselves as such. Do Satanists meet up and compare notes from the The Satanic Bible?

    But hey, to each their own. I’m not knocking it as an art form, because the lyrics and iconography (pentegrams, etc) are all great themes in an artistic sense, where metal is known for focussing on darker subjects. For the same reasons, I can look at religious themed art and appreciate it too; I just don't have to buy into the whole package.


  • #24
    Morbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Morbert


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    read some of the posts in between the op and now..... anyways i got banned from Christianity for mentioning satanism

    You weren't banned for mentioning satanism.

    I find Satanism of any kind to be completely naff.


  • #25
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    LaVey satanism isnt a religion technically, but i do find it quite silly and selfish. Its not very original as it plagarises Crowley quite heavily with the 'do what though wilt' stuf' and the definition of magic being just 'doing stuff'. but it verges into the dumb when it gets to ritual magic.

    It seems he took individualist and existentialist philosohpies and called it satanism just to attract attention. like catholicism its all style and no substance


  • #26
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    bluewolf wrote: »
    You're "your own brand" of a secret oathbound religion, are you? Are you even old enough to be a wiccan?


    sigh
    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Dougla2 wrote: »
    im a metal head yes , but its more of a im my own god basicly i like to piss off Christians by saying "im a satanist"


    thank zillah informative

    Guessed as much. My wife is a Wiccan and yes we do have a mutual "Do not rant at each other" policy. At times I think shes nuts and she thinks Im a Vulcan . Shes quite well known in 'those circles' and has to spend much of her time fending off teenagers who want to latch onto her to piss off their parents. Wicca for all its nuttyness is a very solitary and gentle system/ belief/ what ever.


    i dont believe in any god or godesses or supernatural i just follow wicca and satanism as a type of lifestyle thing i dont take anything literaly in either religion , for the most part im atheist with beliefs of other religions splashed throughout


  • #27
    Kynlee Calm Hoe
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kynlee Calm Hoe


    Morbert wrote: »
    You weren't banned for mentioning satanism.
    Indeed it's obvious enough he was banned for "bible has been basis for 3 religions doesn't mean its right or valid, it still has no evidence whatsoever"

    i just follow wicca and satanism as a type of lifestyle thing
    :rolleyes:


  • #28
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Indeed it's obvious enough he was banned for "bible has been basis for 3 religions doesn't mean its right or valid, it still has no evidence whatsoever"



    :rolleyes:
    the mod told me I was banned for the single word Satanism.

    um whats wrong with following other religions teachings without following their god?


  • #29
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Yes, I know Morbert started it up again but drop the moderation talk from over yonder, people.


  • #30
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    Dades wrote: »
    Yes, I know Morbert started it up again but drop the moderation talk from over yonder, people.
    sorry dades ill be a good boy


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  • #31
    sink
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    Not my bag baby.

    Not meaning to offend anyone but dressing up in black with make-up looks silly in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I would never judge the whole person by the way they dress. I just try to put it to one side and talk to the person behind the trench-coat and eye shadow.


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