how do Gardai/Detectives go to murder/homicide scenes and not be affected?

CorkMan · 15-09-2010 01:20AM

stovelid wrote: »

And do your business before they get too cold.

What if the corpse is in a freezer?

brendansmith · 15-09-2010 01:23AM

CorkMan wrote: »

What if the corpse is in a freezer?

5 mins in the microwave on defrost setting.

Dudess · 15-09-2010 01:27AM

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

I'm not sure about the bit that them being human matters...sure the Nazis were human, and not only killed in cold blood but also burned hundreds of thousands of bodies.... I'm sure they can find a few hundred Irish that can stomach a few murders

Plenty of Nazis were ****ed up by what they had to carry out - there were actually psychiatric facilities built especially for them during the regime.

scientific1982 · 15-09-2010 01:29AM

Believe it or not, its very easy to become desensitized to violence. Surgeons have to cut people up everyday.

DOC09UNAM · 15-09-2010 01:42AM

brendansmith wrote: »

If you have evidence to the contrary id love to see it.

If you have evidence to prove your stupid theory I'd like to see that?

Oh, but you won't, will you.

bronte · 15-09-2010 01:50AM

Keno 92 wrote: »

Bitch

Please...

Yeeaaaaaaaaaah!

brendansmith · 15-09-2010 01:54AM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

If you have evidence to prove your stupid theory I'd like to see that?

Oh, but you won't, will you.

I wish to organise a place and time where we can meet up and fight.

heffomike54 · 15-09-2010 02:02AM

brendansmith wrote: »

Its essentially down to the fact that they are pricks.
They love seeing murder scenes because it all goes in the bank for later on.
They [EMAIL="w@nk"]w@nk[/EMAIL] whilst thinking of the dead smashed heads and then they eat their fried puppy dinner and then they cut into their chests with a knife.

Sorry maybe cause it's late when I am looking at this, but can someone please explain this post to me please?

As for the topic, I am sure every person who has to deal with these situations has their own way to help them through it.

brendansmith · 15-09-2010 02:08AM

heffomike54 wrote: »

As for the topic, I am sure every person who has to deal with these situations has their own way to help them through it.

Agreed, such as eating a fried pet for dinner as the Gardai have been reportedly fond of doing to it for.

SeaFields · 15-09-2010 02:39AM

heffomike54 wrote: »

Sorry maybe cause it's late when I am looking at this, but can someone please explain this post to me please?

Charles Manson got himself a boards account.

Dr Strange · 15-09-2010 07:54AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

... like the pigs in the UK? ...

Surely, there's no need for that?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-09-2010 08:08AM

I can only speak as an ol' dog of war soldier, you never forget!.

RMD · 15-09-2010 08:11AM

My friends dad once got called out to a suspicious bonfire. Turns out there was a body in the bonfire, most sickening smell in the world he said. He couldn't do anything about it, the guy was dead and the fire was going strong. Said it was the most disgusting thing he's ever smelt or come across, really shook him up. It certainly does effect them OP.

stovelid · 15-09-2010 09:27AM

CorkMan wrote: »

What if the corpse is in a freezer?

Then you are the taker and make use of the frozen extremities.

CrazyRabbit · 15-09-2010 11:21AM

I've found two people dead, one fairly recently. One was a suicide with a knife (lots of blood), and the other a heroin overdose.

Believe me...it affects you and you never forget those memories. But, you deal with it and move on. I had friends and family to talk to about it, and that helps. The Gardai have that also, and perhaps therapists.

15-09-2010 11:27AM

Pighead wrote: »

Of course they're affected but they've just gotta be strong and get on with it. Of course that's easier said than done but it's just the same as when someone on boards.ie calls you a horrible name. You've just gotta breath in, count to ten and suck it up. Otherwise you'll explode with anger and die or even worse get infracted.

Pighead didn't speak in 3rd person?? Something wrong with Pighead?!

source · 15-09-2010 11:53AM

einheisserschre wrote: »

Pighead didn't speak in 3rd person?? Something wrong with Pighead?!

Pighead wasn't talking about Pighead, so no need to do so.

I've seen 3 sudden deaths. One was a heroin overdose, the other two were natural deaths. To this day I can see the faces of all three. Yes I made jokes, but not when the family was around, I've equated carrying a 18 stone corpse down a narrow staircase with moving a wardrobe, FFS. It does effect us, of course it does. But we talk about it, we joke about it, and we deal with it in a healthy manner. There is counselling there if desired. The incident would want to be very bad for there to be compulsory counselling.

I've seen and heard doctors breaking the bones of a body because it wouldn't fit into the fridge at the hospital due to rigor mortis.

I've been in the mortuary to identify the body of a deceased to the pathologist, there was also the body of a person who hung themselves with the rope still attached, and the body of a baby.

I've also been at a scene where a person has fallen a number of stories onto a spiked railing, and lost their life.

These things i will never forget, and anybody that insults me for the things i've seen, needs to be taken out back and given a serious beating. You might be strong behind a keyboard and the anonymity of the internet, but i deal with things everyday that would make you weep.

c_man · 15-09-2010 12:02PM

how do Gardai/Detectives go to murder/homicide scenes and not be affected?

Well I know a few guys who are paramedics. I'm sure they've seen some awful stuff but they say you just get used to it. Same as doctors/nurses get detached from the whole thing.

15-09-2010 12:02PM

Lads, just because Gardai put on their uniform, doesn't make them any more impervious to this kind of thing than anyone else.

+1 for Marie Cassidy being a very strong person, as are the Gardai who have to put up with these scenes in the course of their work.

SeaFields · 15-09-2010 12:24PM

I have a large number of friends who are Gardai. Some of the situations they have described as having been in are horrible, distressing and mentally scarring.

Personally I'd say I could handle, albeit with difficulty, seeing adult deaths but not in a million years a child.

Yeah, and Marie Cassidy and her colleagues must have the worst job in the country by a mile.

robby^5 · 15-09-2010 01:35PM

It's sort of like how bin men dont seem too fussed about the smell they drive around with all day.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-09-2010 02:13PM

foinse wrote: »

It does effect us, of course it does. But we talk about it, we joke about it, and we deal with it in a healthy manner. There is counselling there if desired. The incident would want to be very bad for there to be compulsory counselling.

We've the same in the defence forces, if memory serves me correctly we call it 'critical stress management councilling'.

It wasn't always available to us, and lots of lads suffered serious Post Traumatic Stress after incidents, particularly in Lebanon. And I suspect much like AGS its not talked about much between the lads, sure the black humour deals with some things but there's a macho element to it too which prohibits lads talking about the serious issues among themselves.

I've had some councilling, and one thing which was remarked about was lads inability to talk openly, especially with family members about things/experiences which have affected them.

So its laughed off, and hidden away - but the issues are always there. And I'm guilty of brushing people off too.

And example, over a few drinks the other night my brother (ambulance service) went to tell me about a recently suicide of a 12 yr old girl - I immediately shut him off & told him I didn't want to think about it. Only later I thought to myself that maybe he needed to talk about it and I shut off that avenue!.

I remember once going oversea's and the extent of counciling available was "lads, if your handling dead bodies or extracting them from building DON'T LOOK INTO THEIR FACES OR THEIR HANDS it makes it personal" ffs!..

But things have improved vastly in the Defence Forces now.

Your able to access immediate councilling no matter if your serving at home or abroad.

(sorry for the long post).

Biggins · 15-09-2010 02:39PM

I don't think Makikomi could have said it better about the situations you might find.
I'd like to add however that no matter what you see or come across, deep down you know there are no words to express later to anyone the full shock and horror, sense, smell and heavy sorrow one can feel in real time.
Knowing this a number of my friends go home and inside its like switch that flips inside their head, you go into an automatic other personality mode for the sake of family and friends.

I've sat in bars, restaurants and discos at home looking around me and seeing everyone dancing, smiling and laughing, generally having a good time - and rightly so.
But how do you express to them the utter low levels that one can see humans can sink themselves too? And should you sometimes?
You look at them and think maybe there is truth in the words "ignorance is bliss" sometimes.
I sat in such social places and outwardly I can smile and look fine but sometimes I feel like going into a corner and cry. I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I am man, I can be full of bravado and thick-headed as some others out there but for the sake of those that just (I feel) cannot comprehend the full scale of something you have witnessed or come across, I more often than not keep stuff to myself.
My wife knows this and sometimes she knows not to ask too deep a question or show worry - but I know in my heart she does worry.

How do people cope? Each to their own but for some, what you see, be they joking around, smiling and laughing, sometimes is just not insensitivity, its a pure automatic in-bread defence mechanism, a wall that you sub-consciously put up to try and keep yourself sane some times. Your trying to tell your mind that its all not real sometimes. Thats all, I hope it makes sense.

If anyone says it don't get to them at all, they truly are stone cold in their heart and mind and thats a person I would never like to meet.

prinz · 15-09-2010 03:03PM

Having a father a retired member of AGS I can assure you they do get affected by things they have to do in the course of their work. Different things affect people differently. My da was involved recovering bodies from the Liffey, witnessed autopsies being performed, visited murder scenes, accidents etc. That kind of thing you can try to disassociate yourself from when you've heard about these things and dealt with them. The important thing to remember is that such a traumatic experience may only visit a garda once, twice, perhaps three times in the course of service. They are not everyday occurences for many gardaí.

The one thing that really affected him, and affects him still nearly 15 years after retiring is having to call to the parents of a kid killed in a car accident and break the news about the death of their son. That haunts him to this day, found it much more difficult that actually dealing with the incidents themselves.

kowloon · 15-09-2010 11:11PM

prinz wrote: »

The one thing that really affected him, and affects him still nearly 15 years after retiring is having to call to the parents of a kid killed in a car accident and break the news about the death of their son. That haunts him to this day, found it much more difficult that actually dealing with the incidents themselves.

Precisely, you can't detach yourself in that situation. A corpse can be a corpse, but talking to the family is stepping right into it and confirming that the corpse was a living, breathing person.

Son Of A Vidic · 16-09-2010 12:04AM

I saw plenty of death and trauma throughout my career, but when your in the 'zone' you've got a job to do to the best of your ability. This you owe to the person in question, their family and the whole team. There has been plenty of horrible, heartbreaking moments but it's the next emergency or the patient in the next room that keeps you focused on doing your job. We do a debriefing after major events like this, especially with students or less experienced team members. Everyone finds this really helpful and it helps us to move on.

MarkY91 · 16-09-2010 12:49AM

i guess they switch off like a prostitute would, personally nurses, doctors, detectives etc deserve the highest wages not the drunken leaders of our country

RockinRolla · 16-09-2010 01:24AM

I don't think Gards go to murder scenes these days.

And if they do...well, it's embarrassing for them.

Bosco boy · 16-09-2010 10:47AM

brendansmith wrote: »

Its essentially down to the fact that they are pricks.
They love seeing murder scenes because it all goes in the bank for later on.
They [EMAIL="w@nk"]w@nk[/EMAIL] whilst thinking of the dead smashed heads and then they eat their fried puppy dinner and then they cut into their chests with a knife.

I thought you died in prison!!!!

bigpink · 16-09-2010 10:55AM

Im shocked by the standard of the newer young guards,theres girls i went to school with and they are thick as planks still to this day,act like wags yet they some how got into the guards

how do Gardai/Detectives go to murder/homicide scenes and not be affected?

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