9/11 Attacks

I hate office fires.

alastair wrote: »

A nice aluminium colour/heat chart for you:

What the hell is that? Aluminum at 600 degrees is silver, not "brown red".

alastair wrote: »

A nice aluminium colour/heat chart for you:

Thanks, so it could not have been aluminium at the trade centers. It was reported as RED molten steel and around 1200 degees

Thanks again for clearing that up.

Ur so great

alastair wrote: »

There was no molten steel at the WTC. Just thought you'd need that clarification while you continue to not produce any evidence of that contention.

Appendix C of FEMA’s BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing
rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting.11 A liquid eutectic mixture, including
sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide
flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World
Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this “the deepest mystery uncovered in the
investigation.”

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AE911Truth-NIST-Written-Submission12-18-07.pdf

The most common thermite is aluminium-iron(III) oxide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

Its composition by weight is generally 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite#Military_uses

Yay!! We won!! The U.S. government are crooked bastards with a long history of killing it's own citizens and military personnel for hidden political agendas!!

Operation Northwoods.

Do the right thing malaister, admit defeat and promise you will never talk that tripe again.

alastair wrote: »

Gage is no expert. And the figures he's quoting for the NASA flyover are Fahrenheit, not Celcius - below the point where steel could melt.

The bottom line is that there was no molten steel - no molten steel was found, because there was no molten steel to find.

More of an expert than you. You don't have a leg to stand on, so just give it a rest. You lost, so just admit defeat like a man before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

alastair wrote: »

Oh did I miss a link to evidence of molten steel at the site? You'd better stick it up again then. Otherwise you might look a bit foolish yourself.

In the weeks and months after 9/11, numerous individuals report seeing molten metal in the remains of the World Trade Center:
Ken Holden, who is involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at Ground Zero, later will tell the 9/11 Commission, “Underground, it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from [WTC] Building 6.” URL="http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing1/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-04-01.htm"]9/11 Commission, 4/1/2003[/URL
William Langewiesche, the only journalist to have unrestricted access to Ground Zero during the cleanup operation, describes, “in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.” URL="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0865476756/centerforcoop-20"]Langewiesche, 2002, pp. 32[/URL
Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. URL="http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf"]SEAU News, 10/2001 [IMG]http://www.historycommons.org/pics/icons/pdfbw.png[/IMG][/URL
Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.” URL="http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm"]Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine, 2001[/URL
Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminds him of a volcano. URL="http://www.neha.org/pdf/messages_in_the_dust.pdf"]National Environmental Health Association, 9/2003, pp. 40 [IMG]http://www.historycommons.org/pics/icons/pdfbw.png[/IMG][/URL
Paramedic Lee Turner arrives at the World Trade Center site on September 12 as a member of a federal urban search and rescue squad. While at Ground Zero, he goes “down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground.” There he reportedly sees, “in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow—molten metal dripping from a beam.” URL="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911memories.htm"]US News and World Report, 9/12/2002[/URL
According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6: “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” URL="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802/"]National Guard Magazine, 12/2001[/URL
New York firefighters recall “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” [New York Post, 3/3/2004]
As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.” URL="http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/evidence/messengerinquirer_recoveryworker.html"]Knight Ridder, 5/29/2002[/URL
Steven E. Jones, a physics professor from Utah, later will claim this molten metal is “direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite,” used to deliberately bring down the WTC towers. URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20051125072433/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053445/"]MSNBC, 11/16/2005[/URL He will say that without explosives, a falling building would have “insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal.” URL="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html"]Deseret Morning News, 11/10/2005[/URL There is no mention whatsoever of the molten metal in the official reports by FEMA, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission. [Federal Emergency Management Agency, 5/1/2002; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004; National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005 ] But Dr. Frank Gayle, who leads the steel forensics aspects of NIST’s investigation of the WTC collapses, is quoted as saying: “Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that’s what melted the steel. Indeed it didn’t, the steel did not melt.” URL="http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=25807"]ABC News 7 (New York), 2/7/2004[/URL As well as the reports of molten metal, data collected by NASA in the days after 9/11 finds dozens of “hot spots” (some over 1,300 degrees) at Ground Zero (see September 16-23, 2001). Entity Tags: Ken Holden, Frank Gayle, Lee Turner, Leslie Robertson, Ron Burger, Steven E. Jones, Alison Geyh, World Trade Center, William Langewiesche, Joe O’Toole