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Irish FTA DTT logo - "Saorview"

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  • #122
    The Cush
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Elmo wrote: »
    Why do they need TV at the end of Saorview? I like the simpilar version on Wikipedia TBH.

    Saorview.jpg
    That looks like the one I have seen before.

    That logo was used in the Saorview epg green button test earlier this summer. (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055933065)


  • #123
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭STB


    watty wrote: »
    Or a plausible logo. I didn't realise till I read the edit that the logo was IN the screen shot. So I went back to LARGE image Byte scanned and cleaned up the screen part. It's unlikely Walker or the Box supplier is customising the EPG graphics. So people with MHEG5 on DTT need to keep an eye out to see does a logo appear on that EPG as shown.

    The logo is embedded in the software on that particular box I would imagine. Its not an MHEG5 generated menu. That is standard EPG data being collected from EIT.

    Probably is a modified 1040 CI from Vestel.


  • #124
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,460 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Thanks STB.
    I have updated my blog post to reflect those thoughts. I can't find any DTT boxes on Vestel's sites, but I see there are re-badges to brands known locally in UK and Italy, since at least 2007 for some PVRs with HDMI.
    The on screen EPG shot can also be entirely custom with manufacturers own design of logo, using ordinary DVB information and nothing to do with any RTENL graphics or MHEG5.


  • #125
    The Cush
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    SaorviewTV and Saorsat weblinks are active with no content yet.

    http://saorviewtv.ie/ (also http://saorviewtv.com/)
    domain: saorviewtv.ie
    descr: Radio Telefis Eireann
    descr: Statutory Body
    descr: Discretionary Name
    admin-c: ALG317-IEDR
    tech-c: AAY760-IEDR
    bill-c: SL120-IEDR
    renewal: 14-July-2011
    status: Active
    nserver: dns1.idp365.net 217.19.248.20
    nserver: dns2.idp365.net 82.138.249.228
    nserver: dns3.idp365.net 206.204.107.166
    source: IEDR

    person: Marcus O' Doherty
    nic-hdl: ALG317-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Sam Marshall
    nic-hdl: AAY760-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Safenames Limited
    nic-hdl: SL120-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    Domain Name: SAORVIEWTV.COM

    [REGISTRANT]
    Organisation Name: Radio Telefis Eireann
    Contact Name: Marcus O' Doherty
    Address Line 1: Montrose
    Address Line 2: Donnybrook
    City / Town: Dublin
    State / Province:
    Zip / Postcode: 4
    Country: IE
    Telephone: +353.12083111
    Fax: +353.12083080
    Email: jmccullagh@tomkins.com

    http://saorsat.ie/ (also http://saorsat.com/)
    domain: Saorsat.ie
    descr: Radio Telefis Eireann
    descr: Body Corporate (Ltd,PLC,Company)
    descr: Discretionary Name
    admin-c: ALG317-IEDR
    tech-c: AAY760-IEDR
    bill-c: SL120-IEDR
    renewal: 18-June-2011
    status: Active
    nserver: dns1.idp365.net
    nserver: dns2.idp365.net
    nserver: dns3.idp365.net
    source: IEDR

    person: Marcus O' Doherty
    nic-hdl: ALG317-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Sam Marshall
    nic-hdl: AAY760-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Safenames Limited
    nic-hdl: SL120-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    Domain Name: SAORSAT.COM

    [REGISTRANT]
    Organisation Name: Radio Telefis Eireann
    Contact Name: Marcus O' Doherty
    Address Line 1: Montrose
    Address Line 2: Donnybrook
    City / Town: Dublin
    State / Province:
    Zip / Postcode: 4
    Country: IE
    Telephone: +353.12083111
    Fax: +353.12083080
    Email: jmccullagh@tomkins.com

    Elmo wrote: »
    Why do they need TV at the end of Saorview? I like the simpilar version on Wikipedia TBH.

    Saorview.jpg
    tlaavtech wrote: »
    I prefer the newer Walker version - the one above seems too bland. The addition of the TV adds clarity to what the logo is for :D

    TV was probably added to the saorview name because saorview.ie and saorview.com were already registered
    domain: saorview.ie
    descr: Thomas O'Reilly
    descr: Natural Person
    descr: Discretionary Name
    admin-c: ALE960-IEDR
    tech-c: HH36-IEDR
    bill-c: HA18-IEDR
    renewal: 16-June-2011
    status: Active
    nserver: ns0.reg365.net
    nserver: ns1.reg365.net
    nserver: ns2.reg365.net
    source: IEDR

    person: Thomas O'Reilly
    nic-hdl: ALE960-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: NamesCo Hostmaster
    nic-hdl: HH36-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Domain Administrator
    nic-hdl: HA18-IEDR
    source: IEDR
    Domain name: SAORVIEW.COM
    Created on: 2009-02-25
    Updated on: 2010-07-27
    Expires on: 2011-02-25
    Registrant Name: PAUL WALSH
    Contact: Paul Walsh
    Registrant Address: 4 Curragh Beag
    Registrant City: Kildare Town
    Registrant Postal Code: N/A
    Registrant Country: IE
    Administrative Contact Organization: Namesco Limited
    Administrative Contact Name: Domain Administrator
    Administrative Contact Address: Acton House, Perdiswell Park
    Administrative Contact City: Worcester
    Administrative Contact Postal Code: WR3 7GD
    Administrative Contact Country: GB
    Administrative Contact Email: transfers-auth@names.co.uk
    Administrative Contact Tel: +44 845 3633630
    Technical Contact Organization: Namesco Limited
    Technical Contact Name:
    Technical Contact Address: Acton House, Perdiswell Park
    Technical Contact City: Worcester
    Technical Contact Postal Code: WR3 7GD
    Technical Contact Country: GB
    Technical Contact Email: register.it@names.co.uk
    Technical Contact Phone: +44 845 3633630
    Technical Contact Fax: +44 845 363 3631
    Primary Name Server Hostname: ns0.reg365.net
    Secondary Name Server Hostname: ns1.reg365.net

    saorview.com was registered about a week after Apogee suggested Saorview as a possible name for the DTT service. On the ball there Paul ;).

    saorview.org, saorview.net saorview.info, saorview.biz were registered on the 19th Jan less than an hour after I started this thread, that was fast :eek:


    saorview.tv, saorview.me, saorview.tel, saorviewtv.ie, saorviewtv.com, saorsat.ie, saorsat.com, are all registered to RTÉ .


  • #126
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I am surprised someone was able to register saorview.ie, I thought you had to verify your company name for the ie domain.


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  • #127
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,460 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It's still harder than .com or .net
    board.ie had to have a company first.
    for techtir.ie the process was simpler. You can read the rules here
    Overview https://www.domainregistry.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52:quickguide&catid=37&Itemid=62
    see also
    http://www.domainregistry.ie/NEWS/Press_Release_120907-personal_domain_names.pdf
    https://www.domainregistry.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=65


  • #128
    slegs
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    Just surprised RTE were so slow off the mark themselves :D


  • #129
    slegs
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    Elmo wrote: »
    I am surprised someone was able to register saorview.ie, I thought you had to verify your company name for the ie domain.

    I would imagine RTE will get Saorview.ie eventually...


  • #130
    The Cush
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    slegs wrote: »
    I would imagine RTE will get Saorview.ie eventually...

    They probably don't need it now as the service is likely to be called SaorviewTV based on the LCN names in Digital Aertel TV schedule pages Saorview TV 1 - RTÉ1, Saorview TV 2 - RTÉ2 etc. and that new logo.


  • #131
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I thought they were calling it Saorview not SaorView TV, Saorview TV sounds rather kitsch, and Hiberno like the way most Irish people call Sky, Sky TV, still at least they had the imagination to avoid using the word Freeview and the confusion it would create.


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  • #132
    watty
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  • #133
    The Cush
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    slegs wrote: »
    I would imagine RTE will get Saorview.ie eventually...

    Maybe they already own it.
    Elmo wrote: »
    I am surprised someone was able to register saorview.ie, I thought you had to verify your company name for the ie domain.
    watty wrote: »
    It's still harder than .com or .net
    board.ie had to have a company first.
    for techtir.ie the process was simpler.

    This from .iedr
    Category 11: Discretionary Name

    Requirements:
    ...
    • Where a company or a business applies for a name that relates to a product or service that is not yet in the public domain, the applicant must submit information showing that they have invested significant time, effort, or resources in the product or service that directly relates to the proposed domain name.
    ...
    • Where the applicant is a natural person: Together with information showing their claim to the proposed domain name, non-trading individuals applying under the discretionary name category must provide adequate documentary evidence confirming their identity. Acceptable documentation would include a copy of the applicant's passport, birth certificate, driver's license or Irish revenue/social welfare document showing PPS number.

    With the renewal date for saorview.ie being Jun 2011, could it have been registered maybe Jun 2009 by an agent for RTÉ - Thomas O'Reilly (not wanting to attract unnecessary attention or distract during the commercial discussion process)? Maybe RTÉ were working on this backup plan in parallel with the slow commercial DTT negotations and following the failure of the 8 month long Boxer talks. We first publically find out about Saorview six months later (last Jan) with the deal done with Teracom on certification.

    The first two Saorview logos we are aware of don't include the word "TV". The lastest logo appears to be Saorview TV with iedr renewal for the domain next Jul, could have been registered this Jul (about the time of the Joint Committee discussion with RTÉ), could be part of the revised plan? The Saorsat domain renewal is next June, possibly registered this June just before (?) the revised DTT and satellite plan was submitted to the Dept for approval and before anyone could get to cyber-squat.

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  • #134
    Apogee
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    The Cush wrote: »
    saorview.com was registered about a week after Apogee suggested Saorview as a possible name for the DTT service. On the ball there Paul ;).

    I think that should entitle me to at least a 20% discount on future purchases! :D


  • #135
    Sam Russell
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    The Cush wrote: »



    f3dvo9.jpg

    I saw this logo up in RTE some time in Jan this year. I think this is the real one.


  • #136
    Elmo
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I saw this logo up in RTE some time in Jan this year. I think this is the real one.

    Lets clear this up. RTÉ possible have a few Saorview logos that they might launch with.










    I hope that has cleared things up. :D


  • #137
    watty
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I saw this logo up in RTE some time in Jan this year. I think this is the real one.

    It was then. But might not be now. Time will tell. When the official info campain starts. That original one hasn't enough Joss Sticks and Whale song. Probably an in house quickie till a Graphic Designer was found and paid a five figure sum for a suite of logo-types and styles.


  • #138
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    It was then. But might not be now. Time will tell. When the official info campain starts. That original one hasn't enough Joss Sticks and Whale song. Probably an in house quickie till a Graphic Designer was found and paid a five figure sum for a suite of logo-types and styles.

    RTÉ's graphics department are well capable. Current RTÉ Two idents look great.


  • #139
    watty
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    Didn't they pay for those from a Design house?


  • #140
    Elmo
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    watty wrote: »
    Didn't they pay for those from a Design house?

    No in house. They did have a competition for the contract all the same

    http://www.rte.ie/tv/ident_rtetwo.html

    http://www.rte.ie/graphicdesign/index.html

    not sure if this graphic designer tried for the contract but here's some mocks.

    http://vimeo.com/5348088


  • #141
    Stinicker
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    slegs wrote: »
    I would imagine RTE will get Saorview.ie eventually...

    Indeed they did!
    [B]domain:      saorview.ie
[/B]descr:       Radio Telefis Eireann
descr:       Statutory Body
descr:       Discretionary Name
admin-c:     ALP568-IEDR
tech-c:      TDI2-IEDR
bill-c:      IDL2-IEDR
renewal:     16-June-2011
status:      Active - LOCKED
nserver:     ns0.reg365.net
nserver:     ns1.reg365.net
nserver:     ns2.reg365.net
source:      IEDR

[B]person:      Judy Mc Cullagh
[/B]nic-hdl:     ALP568-IEDR
source:      IEDR

[B]person:      Technical Department Irish Domains
[/B]nic-hdl:     TDI2-IEDR
source:      IEDR

[B]person:      IRISH DOMAINS LTD
[/B]nic-hdl:     IDL2-IEDR
source:      IEDR


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  • #142
    watty
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    Given how Irish Domain Name issues are nearly strictest in World, cybersquatting isn't going to give you any money on a .ie for sure!


  • #143
    The Cush
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    slegs wrote: »
    I would imagine RTE will get Saorview.ie eventually...
    The Cush wrote: »
    Maybe they already own it.
    Stinicker wrote: »
    slegs wrote: »
    I would imagine RTE will get Saorview.ie eventually...
    Indeed they did!

    Maybe they they did own it all along and following last week's discussion they revealed it's true ownership or did the discussion prompt RTÉ to get it transferred to them?

    Last week
    domain: saorview.ie
    descr: Thomas O'Reilly
    descr: Natural Person
    descr: Discretionary Name
    admin-c: ALE960-IEDR
    tech-c: HH36-IEDR
    bill-c: HA18-IEDR
    renewal: 16-June-2011
    status: Active
    nserver: ns0.reg365.net
    nserver: ns1.reg365.net
    nserver: ns2.reg365.net
    source: IEDR

    person: Thomas O'Reilly
    nic-hdl: ALE960-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: NamesCo Hostmaster
    nic-hdl: HH36-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Domain Administrator
    nic-hdl: HA18-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    This week
    domain: saorview.ie
    descr: Radio Telefis Eireann
    descr: Statutory Body
    descr: Discretionary Name
    admin-c: ALP568-IEDR
    tech-c: TDI2-IEDR
    bill-c: IDL2-IEDR
    renewal: 16-June-2011
    status: Active - LOCKED
    nserver: ns0.reg365.net
    nserver: ns1.reg365.net
    nserver: ns2.reg365.net
    source: IEDR

    person: Judy Mc Cullagh
    nic-hdl: ALP568-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Technical Department Irish Domains
    nic-hdl: TDI2-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: IRISH DOMAINS LTD
    nic-hdl: IDL2-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    Renewal date remains unchanged. What does "status: Active - LOCKED" mean?


  • #144
    watty
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    Locked means it's harder to move it. Helps prevent cybertheft.


  • #145
    The Cush
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    Found this on .iedr.
    34. My domain has a status of “Active - Locked”. What does this mean?

    If your domain name is 'Locked' this simply means that it is not available to be transferred to another billing contact during the 'locking' period. It does not mean that your domain is unavailable and you are free to make amendments to your DNS as you wish.

    The domain will become unlocked when the IEDR issues an invoice to your Registrar for the domain and the fee has been paid (Invoices are issued on a monthly basis).

    It is perfectly normal for newly registered/recently transferred domains to have a 'Locked' status, this is due to the IEDR's billing cycle.


  • #146
    view_from_afar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭view_from_afar


    Hi
    I have just been to the IFA show in Berlin where the last Saorview logo featured in the Cush's earlier post was shown in connection with a pretty basic looking Saorview (and also labelled on a poster as Soarview) set top box. There was no sign of a corresponding DVR - they had very many DVR's for a wide range of European DVB-T(2) providers, many with hybrid IPTV offerings. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with me, nor was there any printed material available.

    Ian


  • #147
    watty
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    view_from_afar wrote: »
    Hi
    I have just been to the IFA show in Berlin where the last Saorview logo featured in the Cush's earlier post was shown in connection with a pretty basic looking Saorview (and also labelled on a poster as Soarview) set top box.

    You mean this one? (First posted here)

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    (and also labelled on a poster as Soarview)
    Really :) ?

    I've quoted you with link to your post here.


  • #148
    The Cush
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    view_from_afar wrote: »
    Vestel showing Saorview receiver

    Could it be the Walker receiver discussed here, watty mentioned here there were no DTT receivers on their website recently.

    Did it look like the receiver in this post and here?


  • #149
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,460 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Vestel make/made many Black Diamond, Bush and other well known brands.
    (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestel). However while their website shows no set-boxes of any kind.http://www.vestel.com.tr/foreigntrade/index.html, many well known brand Freeview (UK DTT) setbox and PVR are made by Vestel.

    I don't know why I can't find Vestel DTT boxes on a Vestel site. They definately make them. But possibly only other people's badges like HTC used to do with phones.


  • #150
    slegs
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    The Cush wrote: »
    Could it be the Walker receiver discussed here, watty mentioned here there were no DTT receivers on their website recently.

    Did it look like the receiver in this post and here?

    Same box


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  • #151
    view_from_afar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭view_from_afar


    Yes- Watty that was the logo used. The "Soarview" was in some blurb hanging overhead the box. Apparently this box is also approved for the DVB-T serivce commencing soon in New Zealand.

    It actually looked a lot plainer than the box in the posts. Really sorry that I didn't have a camera with me.


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