Grizzly 45 wrote: »

99% of humanity wont get involved

True; but to be fair, that's not a hunter/non-hunter divide, it's just a human thing; the hunter/non-hunter split is orthogonal to the would-help/wouldn't-help split.

Which basicly means that the two hunters who did step in should be lauded as human beings, rather than as hunters really - their actions reflected very positively on them as people, they weren't just a default action. Mind you, this wouldn't even be an issue if Tierney wasn't such an unethical opportunist when writing this sort of dross to the papers every week.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

99% of humanity wont get involved

Grisly. They would. Murphy legged it as soon as he was spotted. Now either I hang around with incredibly nice people or I just put too much faith in humanity, but, I reckon 99% of people would help the girl.

As humans with our advanced altruism. Hunter, non hunter, normal people will help a girl in that much distress.

John_Rambo wrote: »

I may not have articulated myself properly there homerhop.

I see your point, it is good to have right minded people roaming around secluded areas at night, if there was no hunting, that girl would surely be dead by now. I have come across crime on my blitzes around the countryside (nothing as serious as that), I have also found dead bodies and have been involved in searches for missing people because my skills allow me to go where a lot of people can't. I guess catching a criminal red handed is a by product of your hunting, albeit a very good by product! But, I wouldn't use it as a 'defense' because you don't need to defend yourselves against the likes of that guy in the Tribune.

Am I making sense?

I have no issue with game hunting at all. The only issue I have is that I sometimes find it hard to get my hands on wild shot game.

My apologies, twas the way I took you up on your first post.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Grisly. They would. Murphy legged it as soon as he was spotted. Now either I hang around with incredibly nice people or I just put too much faith in humanity, but, I reckon 99% of people would help the girl.

As humans with our advanced altruism. Hunter, non hunter, normal people will help a girl in that much distress.

Guess you do Rambo!Hang around with too many nice people and have too much faith in humanity!
Were this true,we wouldnt need police forces,armies,a judical system or wars for that matter.By and large,humanity isnt a very nice race of critters.
But we could always put it to the test.Go and piss off a bunch of gurriers in any city of our land on any Sat night.Once they are putting the boot into you.See how many of the 99% of nice people will come over to help out.:D

Sparks wrote: »

Which is nice PR for us, and probably sticks in Tierney's craw a bit; but really, they were lots of other things as well, and the only thing that was relevant to this instance was that they were good people who stepped in and saved a life at risk to their own

That too Sparks,but ...Ahem what do hunters usually carry??? That in this case might be a great assistance;)

. If Tierney was a bit more ethical in his PR efforts, he'd acknowledge thatand just not try to drag them through the mud like this. But he's not, so we see crap like this in our mainstream media. :mad:

Ethics with the antis?...Novel concept!This one stuck in Tierneys craw all right because it is a double whammy,hunters and guns ..Two things he hates as an anti.Last time he tried to use a family shooting over land as an arguement for gun bans last year.So if you are that morally bankrupt moralitywise and argumentwise.Can you be taken seriously,all it needs is good exposure of this to destroy him.

I wish that was true, but they tend to push Green policy a lot, even if not as much as they want to. And while they shape public opinion, they shape the obstacles we have to overcome every time firearms legislation comes up for debate...

They do on the hunting side sofar ,but more on horse and hound,which is imported class warfare than anything.It is our own PTB who have given us the crap laws on firearms.I doubt very much that the nasty little man and his boyfriend Factna sat down and had a good chat on what gun laws Tierney,Fitzgerald et all would like in Ireland.

homerhop wrote: »

These people cause uproar in the defence of animals yet have no qualms in seeing humans hurt.

they've no qualms in seeing wildlife hurt either, breaking into mink farms and realeasing hundreds of foreign predators to rape and pilage mother natures natural balance, that we hunters work so hard to maintain...

Sparks wrote: »

But to be honest, I've never understood how either group has managed to avoid legal action from the NARGC for all these years (legal action over defamation, that is).

Too busy in house fighting and taking legal actions over it

homerhop wrote: »

http://www.huntsabsireland.org/shooting.htm
This will show you what you are dealing with, even companies making signs are targeted by these people. Perhaps we should get the names and addresses of the people or companies that they work for on a daily basis and start petitioning them about hiring people that support terrorist organisations

These c**** were even outside my local hunt kennels <mod snip>

http://www.huntsabsireland.org/apps/photos/photo?photoid=67456568

Are you legally entitled to take photos of someone elses property without there permission ....?

I know a friend of mine is an architect and was taking a pic of Agriculture House as part of a project and got a lot of grief from nearby Guard ?!

Yes well nedless to say rang our Huntsman straight away and told him about it as its his yard and house in the photo.

Not a happy bunny at all, getting onto his lawyer for a consult later I think !!

Yes it is legal to photo from a public place or road into private property.If it is viewable from a public place.It doesnt specify with the naked eye or hubble telescope.Nor do you have a automatic right to privacy in your bedroom if it is viewable from a pubilc road.After all you can draw the curtains,and it could be argued you might be an exhobinist:eek:.As many celebs have found out.If however you are tresspassing to get that photo,different story.As well as accessing somone elses property without their express consent to do so.

There has been a clampdown om photoing national buildings,places or national monuments in the US,UK and EU supposedly to prevent terrorist attacks.It is basically make work and idiots throwing their weight around.
As if Al Quieda hasnt heard of Google Earth or covert micro cams.Or simply going online to find pics of the place.:rolleyes: Different story of course if it is a govt facility or army barracks or what not ,but then they do generally post notices ,no photography.For good reason.

As for the antis working.Most of them are dolies or self employed or spewdents
John Tierney has a website mediawatch PR Ireland.[Might explain him always in the media and how they manlipuate it]
John Fitzgerald puts himself down as freelance journalist and author of two "books" bad hare days,and "are we invaded yet?["Sure to make the Booker Prize 100 this year:rolleyes:]
Bernie Wright,used to have a cosmetic stall in Templebar somplace.
Aideen Yourell, a shop of some sorts in Mullingar [an siopa Glas].
ICABS company returns last time I looked[Yes it is a limited company,and that info is public too,]gives them an annual return of around 20k mid/late 90s.

This bTW is all gleaned from public available documents and the Net.
So the simple way to keep them in check is IMO,have a better dossier on them all in public,with pics of them and their houses and cars etc.So to say we know where you are too,who you associate with,where you go,etc.If the PTB wont take you seriously,we certainly will.
Somtimes you have to fight fire with fire.

We I'm off work today sick but feeling better now so might head into Mullingar take a few photos of a certain SAB and her house and car and see how she likes it :-)

Maybe we could start a SAB SPOTTING thread ...?