Hunters Vs Crime: +1 For the Hunters

FISMA · 12-08-2010 04:29PM #1

I was watching a TV show the other day. The episode detailed some hunters that came across a crime in progress.

I was thinking how you rarely ever hear of the numerous crimes either discovered or solved by people out hunting. A fact that I have never heard the anti's mention.

For example, remember Larry Murphy, released today for "good behavior?"

Kudos to RTE for stating that

"The woman, then in her mid 20s, was rescued by two men who were hunting.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0812/murphyl.html

Someone should keep a database for us hunters out there.

jwshooter · 12-08-2010 05:30PM

FISMA wrote: »

I was watching a TV show the other day. The episode detailed some hunters that came across a crime in progress.

I was thinking how you rarely ever hear of the numerous crimes either discovered or solved by people out hunting. A fact that I have never heard the anti's mention.

For example, remember Larry Murphy, released today for "good behavior?"

Kudos to RTE for stating that

"The woman, then in her mid 20s, was rescued by two men who were hunting.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0812/murphyl.html

Someone should keep a database for us hunters out there.

the two were poaching deer in the forest , but a good deed they done none the less .

rrpc · 12-08-2010 05:38PM

jwshooter wrote: »

the two were poaching deer in the forest , but a good deed they done none the less .

I expect that considering the service they did both the unfortunate victim and perhaps many others, they were considered to have been out (ahem) lamping foxes

jwshooter · 12-08-2010 05:54PM

rrpc wrote: »

I expect that considering the service they did both the unfortunate victim and perhaps many others, they were considered to have been out (ahem) lamping foxes

the reports change to fox shooting along the way .

the op is right we do a sevrice to the community ,, we work closely with the gardai on the mountains reporting joy riding etc .

it is often over looked , but once some one goes missing in the country side they call on GPAs to give a hand .

once again the same problem a townie ,that does not know we are a better allie than a foo

virminhunter · 12-08-2010 07:00PM

fair play to them, maybe its just hearsay but i was told the guards later tried to have the two lads gun licences revoked and the girl in question had to stand up in court to speak on their behalf, don't know if its true or not the fella who told me said he read it in her book...

can't believe they let him back out:mad::mad::mad:

homerhop · 12-08-2010 09:11PM

Myself and another lad had the guards on the phone one night about murphy, asking could we remember the reg no of a car we came across one night lamping. At the time there was a young lad courting a girl from just up the road with the same kind of car and we put it down to the two of them getting some quiet time.

TippFan77 · 23-08-2010 01:42PM

FISMA wrote: »

I was watching a TV show the other day. The episode detailed some hunters that came across a crime in progress.

I was thinking how you rarely ever hear of the numerous crimes either discovered or solved by people out hunting. A fact that I have never heard the anti's mention.

For example, remember Larry Murphy, released today for "good behavior?"

Kudos to RTE for stating that

"The woman, then in her mid 20s, was rescued by two men who were hunting.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0812/murphyl.html

Someone should keep a database for us hunters out there.

Yes...a lot of people have given the thumbs up to hunters for that literally life-saving episode and rightly so. Unlike a certain gentleman writing in the letters page of this Sunday's Sunday Tribune. Anyone seen that?

Sparks · 23-08-2010 02:31PM

The letter is on the tribune.ie website here and anyone who wants to can submit their comments on it to the tribune.

Personally, I've pointed out that it was a pair of hunters who caught Murphy to start with, and that maybe a convicted criminal like John Tierney isn't the kind of person that should be published in a broadsheet like the Tribune on such matters...

Tackleberrywho · 23-08-2010 02:44PM

Sparks wrote: »

The letter is on the tribune.ie website here and anyone who wants to can submit their comments on it to the tribune.

Personally, I've pointed out that it was a pair of hunters who caught Murphy to start with, and that maybe a convicted criminal like John Tierney isn't the kind of person that should be published in a broadsheet like the Tribune on such matters...

I can't believe they let that idiot say that "I" and folk like "I" are mentally unbalanced!

Can "us" as a group not sue for liable?
I am enraged by this article!!
Animal hunting may lead to desire to harm humans
From John Tierney
In the tsunami of print devoted to the release of convicted rapist Larry Murphy, one less explored aspect was the fact that he was an avid animal hunter. Were the skills of stalking and killing honed until he felt ready to switch to a live target?

The link between animal and human abuse is well established. We need to deal with the fact that those who kill animals for fun have a serious medically untreated mental illness. The urge to torture and kill animals for fun is no more normal than the desire to inflict physical, mental and sexual abuse on a human victim.

John Tierney,

Campaigns director,

Association of Hunt Saboteurs,

PO Box 4734, Dublin 1

Sparks · 23-08-2010 02:52PM

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Can "us" as a group not sue for liable?

In short, no.
(a) Libel and Slander are now defunct terms, they've been combined and replaced by the Defamation Act; and
(b) You were never able to slander or libel a group when the group was large enough to avoid identifying an individual.

Tackleberrywho · 23-08-2010 02:56PM

Sparks wrote: »

In short, no.
(a) Libel and Slander are now defunct terms, they've been combined and replaced by the Defamation Act; and
(b) You were never able to slander or libel a group when the group was large enough to avoid identifying an individual.

So can we slag off Hunt Saboteur's ??

Sparks · 23-08-2010 02:58PM

Depends on how big a group they are Tackleberry. And the problem is that there's no defined threshold.

Frankly though, I'd just rather we wrote into the papers about how good we are, not how wrong the hunt sabs and icabs are.

homerhop · 23-08-2010 03:17PM

replyed, will be interesting to see if it gets posted

pedroeibar1 · 23-08-2010 03:23PM

I've written to the editor on this also. Will be interesting to see if my letter makes it to the Letters page next week!
P.

Grizzly 45 · 23-08-2010 07:41PM

Double post there..sorry.

Grizzly 45 · 23-08-2010 07:44PM

]Funny how EVERY convicted kiddy fiddler,rapist,etc both here and abroad according to Mr Tierney&Co are "animal abusers".Maybe somone might like to ask in their letters where does Mr Tierney get this info from???Seeing that it never is brought up in the mainstream media.He must have an exellent insider source???
Maybe from his ol Pal John Fitzgerald of CACS who is now a "journalist" with a spot of" form" as well.:rolleyes:Or from his old sidekick Bernie Wright founder of the Dub hunt sabs who seems awfully pally with ex Loyalist renegades in Derry?

Minister Aherne and the C4 of DOJ and Factna Murphy would be better advised putting their attentions and manpower to such "peaceful non violent" animal rights groups to see what sort of criminal and subversive links they have,than going around harrassing,hounding and intimidating the law abiding gunowners of Ireland.:mad:

deeksofdoom · 23-08-2010 08:47PM

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I can't believe they let that idiot say that "I" and folk like "I" are mentally unbalanced!

Chin up Tack, none of us think that you or people like you are mentally unbalanced.

Tackleberrywho · 23-08-2010 10:00PM

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Chin up Tack, none of us think that you or people like you are mentally unbalanced.

Thats the problem Deeks, you are included in that mans statement

And far more people read the paper than read this

virminhunter · 23-08-2010 10:40PM

I wouldnt worry about it, anyone with half a brain would see it for the verbal diarrheoa it is, really suprised they published it in the first place though, he makes a bad point usin larry murphy as an example considering the two lads who stopped the crime were hunters...

homerhop · 23-08-2010 11:17PM

we know it is drivel but you go back to joe public in a weeks time who read that article and ask them to recall it you will get a far greater percentage recalling that murphy was a hunter who liked to torture animals

Grizzly 45 · 23-08-2010 11:24PM

Wonder could we get to them under incitement to hatred laws?after all, they are trying to belittle us and have even said on one website .."That we[hunters] have no place in a civilised society" [Laura Broxton's NARA site].

virminhunter · 23-08-2010 11:29PM

homerhop wrote: »

we know it is drivel but you go back to joe public in a weeks time who read that article and ask them to recall it you will get a far greater percentage recalling that murphy was a hunter who liked to torture animals

I wouldn't say so Homer, with respect to your opinion, I think the only people who'd take that kinda sh**e in is the anti's, the whole country knows the people who stopped it were out hunting at the time.

homerhop · 23-08-2010 11:35PM

No worries Virmin, difference of oppinions is what makers the world go around, but what i will say is take any radio station with a phone in discussion involving hunting, the majority of callers are not anti's but the average folks, and the level of uneducated statements that they come out with comes from reading articles like that.

John_Rambo · 24-08-2010 08:34AM

jwshooter wrote: »

the op is right we do a sevrice to the community ,, we work closely with the gardai on the mountains reporting joy riding etc

As do Joggers, bikers, canoeists, anglers, walkers etc... I don't think painting yourselves as protectors is needed, I would be afraid it would be seen as an "excuse" for your sport. You don't need to candy stripe your activities with some sort of guardian angelic varnish. Anyone who came across such a scene would help and report.

jwshooter wrote: »

once again the same problem a townie ,that does not know we are a better allie than a foo

What town is he from jw?

homerhop · 24-08-2010 09:19AM

But it wasn’t people out jogging, canoeing, fishing or walking, it was 2 guys out hunting who came across the incident going on. As stated here local police will often call local gun club members before they call any of the above mentioned by you to keep an eye out or asking if they had noticed anything suspicious.
Whatever your issues are with hunting we do not need as you so politely put it “an excuse “ for our sport, nor do we need to candy stripe anything so you have no reason to be “afraid” . The reason for this thread was just to say it is nice to get some positive publicity in the media instead of the usual rubbish that hunters are often portrayed in.

kildare.17hmr · 24-08-2010 11:20AM

What a load of S**T, I just replied, prob wont be posted so ill put it up here.

This article is very missleading and very offensive and possibly harmfull to hunters.
I quote "We need to deal with the fact that those who kill animals for fun have a serious medically untreated mental illness." Is that Mr Tierneys medical opinion on the matter or just an opinion formed from lack of knolege on the subject? I think the Sunday Tribune is lowering its self by making such outragous claims. "The urge to torture and kill animals for fun is no more normal than the desire to inflict physical, mental and sexual abuse on a human victim." Again i ask, where was this opinion formed? Hunters do not torture animals, they aim for a clean kill to inflict little or no pain to their quarry. Hunting is a legal act and those who hunt for sport follow the word of the law exactly and are scrutanised by the law all the time, I dont think a convicted criminal like John Tierney is in a position to comment on the actions of law abiding citizens.

kildare.17hmr · 24-08-2010 11:26AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

As do Joggers, bikers, canoeists, anglers, walkers etc... I don't think painting yourselves as protectors is needed, I would be afraid it would be seen as an "excuse" for your sport. You don't need to candy stripe your activities with some sort of guardian angelic varnish. Anyone who came across such a scene would help and report.

I read the book about larry murphy, The beast of baltinglass, that was in one of the sunday papers last week and it quoted a High ranking Garda from wicklow saying that the hunters in wicklow are the best policemen as they know the area better than most and observe everything that goes on.

cavan shooter · 24-08-2010 11:41AM

Comment posted, you have to give it to him as fanatics go his Fatwa on hunting is class, his letters also make him out to be a wee bit of nut case.
it was brought to my attention by a girl who wouldnt really care for hunting but felt it OTT.

John_Rambo · 24-08-2010 11:48AM

I may not have articulated myself properly there homerhop.

I see your point, it is good to have right minded people roaming around secluded areas at night, if there was no hunting, that girl would surely be dead by now. I have come across crime on my blitzes around the countryside (nothing as serious as that), I have also found dead bodies and have been involved in searches for missing people because my skills allow me to go where a lot of people can't. I guess catching a criminal red handed is a by product of your hunting, albeit a very good by product! But, I wouldn't use it as a 'defense' because you don't need to defend yourselves against the likes of that guy in the Tribune.

Am I making sense?

I have no issue with game hunting at all. The only issue I have is that I sometimes find it hard to get my hands on wild shot game.

LB6 · 24-08-2010 11:59AM

I just just caught up with the link on the tribune. I have never seen such a diatribe of verbal diarrhea.

That man seriously needs a wake up call. Have put a note into the Tribune asking how they can allow such sweeping statements to be printed without having proof/backup of what's being said.

:mad:

kildare.17hmr · 24-08-2010 12:07PM

Sent my reply to the editor, if anyone else wants to do so here is her email.

nhegarty@tribune.ie

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