Pregnant widow flogged and shot dead by the Taleban

round tower huntsman · 10-08-2010 12:05AM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Okay. You think the Afghan war is purely about money to be made from exploiting the natural resources of Afghanistan. I think you are misguided, but there we go.

not purely bout money its also about positioning and influance. but if a trillion dollars worth of minerals wont encourage american companys to help finance the war then nothing will.
basically i think usa is there to exert itself on the me and the pay off for american capatilists is the new market that opens up due to an ivasion.

Donkey Oaty · 10-08-2010 12:07AM

This thread has made me more afraid of amateur economists than Islamic fundamentalism.

Overheal · 10-08-2010 12:09AM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

not purely bout money its also about positioning and influance. but if a trillion dollars worth of minerals wont encourage american companys to help finance the war then nothing will.

Who the **** knows why companies do what they do. Hell, Best Buy and Target just donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to an Anti-Gay Rights Gubernatorial Candidate. Speculatively, because he was Anti-Gay Rights. Speaking of Rights injustices.

Gubernatorial is a funny word.

mojesius · 10-08-2010 12:10AM

What strikes me about this incident, according to the OP's quoted article, is that officials (such as Gen. Jabar) are hunting for the man who she had the 'affair' with rather than the mullahs who condemned this woman and her unborn child to this horror. Sure, the govt. may have deemed the incident as 'very severe' and condemned it etc. etc. but they are just as implicit by not seeking justice at the source of this problem.

Also, apparently they received no complaints from the public about this

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67814120100809

Sadly, incidents like this are going to continue until the Afghan govt. exact a punishment that fits the crime for these animals and more importantly, to send a strong message to Afghan society that this cannot be tolerated.

Giselle · 10-08-2010 12:10AM

piby wrote: »

My views on Islam aside (which stem not from a dislike of it alone but my opinions on religion in general) one of the big things to remember is that the Afghnistan quagmire was created by the West. Not just the US but the Soviet Union too. Until 1979 Afghanistan was a cosmopolitan country virtually unrecognisible from today. I think many of have seen the pictures of women with their hair down and short skirts etc. Then the Soviets reduced the country to nothing faciltating the rise of fundamentalism that was supported by the US until the Taliban decided they didn't want McDonalds and minature American flags for all.

I attended a lecture last year given by an Afghani gentleman, and he showed family photo's of his home and family in the early seventies. There was nothing primitive or backwards about it. Afghanistan knocked spots off the Ireland of the same era.

USA attempts to prevent further Soviet involvement were responsible for the early funding of a certain Mr. Bin Laden, a painful irony.

Its the circle of life.:(

Giselle · 10-08-2010 12:14AM

mojesius wrote: »

Also, apparently they received no complaints from the public about this

Thats hardly surprising though.

I don't think I'm brave enough to stand up to the risk of lashings and bullets for daring to object.

piby · 10-08-2010 12:15AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

When exactly did Christainity or more accurately, the Roman Catholic Church, grow out of using religion as a guise for doing despicable things?

I'm not talking about paedohelia, as it wasn't done in the "name of the Lord", but what about their involvement in the genocide in Rwanda? Their stance on using contraception & it's subsequent helping of the spread of AIDS in Africa?

Their misogonistic & homophobic views may not have caused deaths in the way their religion has done in Africa, but they too are also despicable.

Oh I agree with you but really the point was that Christian fundamentalism is a whole different ballgame to Islamic fundamentalism. The former has generally adapted with its societies as they have moved forward, or at least been forced to, whereas Islam hasn't to the same degree and I think that facilitates the more aggresive hardcore beliefs. In other words I have no doubt that if we were in Medievil era Christianity we would see the problems we, rightly or wrongly, associate with Islam now.

Kasabian · 10-08-2010 12:16AM

Dudess wrote: »

Absolutely. This however is a specific event which actually happened, not an intangible concept like WMD. Just like it's dangerous for people to be sucked in by the likes of the latter though, I also think it's dangerous for people to be cynical and suspicious about absolutely everything for fear of succumbing to western bias.

Yes this has happened , we all have seen the horror that the Taliban inflicts but we must not fall into the trap that all Muslims are fundamentalists. There is an ever growing western message that Islam is the enemy . The "new crusade" originanally taken on by Bush and his administration.

Islam is not the enemy , what is the enemy is the evil lunatics who hide in it just as the evil men who hide in christianity and all other religions.

Evil men who will feed us lies for their motives.

Manic Moran · 10-08-2010 12:16AM

pablo_escobar wrote: »

No, I believe it's to free the oppressed people of Afghanistan..obviously that's why the US are spending tax dollars that run into trillions.

That's a little overly cynical. Of course the reason the war started wasn't to free the people of Afghanistan. However, though the American point has been made as regards being a launch point for attacks against the country, the community has not just upped and left either and left the Afghan people to fare for themselves. Right now the primary objective is to fix the country, it's more a factor of reputation and prestige now as opposed to meeting security obligations. So much money has been spent, the argument that it's purely for financial reasons doesn't really hold all that much water.

NTM

pablo_escobar · 10-08-2010 12:18AM

Donkey Oaty wrote:

This thread has made me more afraid of amateur economists than Islamic fundamentalism.

powerful logic there, Donkey.
clearly your rebuttal was fascinating and thought provoking.
you've obviously got a brain with a highly advanced intellectual capacity.

thank you and good night, but remember..not everyone is as thick as you.

Kasabian · 10-08-2010 12:19AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

That's a little overly cynical. Of course the reason the war started wasn't to free the people of Afghanistan. However, though the American point has been made as regards being a launch point for attacks against the country, the community has not just upped and left either and left the Afghan people to fare for themselves. Right now the primary objective is to fix the country, it's more a factor of reputation and prestige now as opposed to meeting security obligations. So much money has been spent, the argument that it's purely for financial reasons doesn't really hold all that much water.

NTM

Why is it everytime you post in threads of this ilk , I feel like I am getting a briefing .

Overheal · 10-08-2010 12:22AM

Kasabian wrote: »

Why is it everytime you post in threads of this ilk , I feel like I am getting a briefing .

Comes with the territory I guess

He's a CPT

Kasabian · 10-08-2010 12:25AM

Overheal wrote: »

Comes with the territory I guess He's a CPT

He is a Catterpillar truck ?

Dudess · 10-08-2010 12:33AM

Kasabian wrote: »

Yes this has happened , we all have seen the horror that the Taliban inflicts but we must not fall into the trap that all Muslims are fundamentalists. There is an ever growing western message that Islam is the enemy . The "new crusade" originanally taken on by Bush and his administration.

Islam is not the enemy , what is the enemy is the evil lunatics who hide in it just as the evil men who hide in christianity and all other religions.

Evil men who will feed us lies for their motives.

This case will of course be used by those with an agenda to their advantage, it will of course sadly be considered reason enough for anti Islam sentiment, which is just dismaying and sickening, but that's not reason enough to not report it, or to resort to whataboutery, or to resort to dubious comparisons. For all the US state's failings, it does NOT have a legal organisation as vicious as the Taliban controlling people's lives. America is heaven compared to Afghanistan. Often, some rather zealous people, in their quest to paint the US as a bastion of horror, conveniently brush aside just how horrific some other regimes around the world are, which is pretty unethical IMO.

Wibbs · 10-08-2010 12:34AM

Ricardo G wrote: »

I'm sure God does'nt specify 200 lashes of a whip and a bullet in the Skull, and i would also be certain he would not condone the killing of an unborn child. If so he is sicker than the bastards that carried out this

Actually Allah doesnt specify this. Certainly not with a pregnant woman. Muhammad did pass judgement on a pregnant woman who was accused of adultery, but she was spared of her life because she was pregnant. Now he did wait until she had given birth and then ordered her to be stoned. After she was dead he prayed over her. Niiice.

Either way executing a pregnant woman is against even the most fundy Islam.

K.Flyer wrote: »

But have they??

E.G. Northern Ireland, Cats Vs. Prods thats not completely over. There is still some very deep rooted hatred on both sides of that fence with no compunction to maim or kill innocent lives in the name of their religon.

Well religion is/was used as a rallying flag for tribalism, not an explanation in that case. At one point the pope excommunicated IRA members. Though as usual for the usual eejits that hold that pointy hatted office didnt go nearly far enough. The papacy in ww2 is a classic example of thinking "what would Jesus do?" and doing the polar bloody opposite. You can see why Paisley considers them the antichrist and they've not exactly got bloodless hands. Equal morons TBH.

IMHO One of the worst calamities to befall humankind in it's history were those bloody desert religions.

Kasabian · 10-08-2010 12:44AM

Dudess wrote: »

This case will of course be used by those with an agenda to their advantage, it will of course sadly be considered reason enough for anti Islam sentiment, which is just dismaying and sickening, but that's not reason enough to not report it, or to resort to whataboutery, or to resort to dubious comparisons. For all the US state's failings, it does NOT have a legal organisation as vicious as the Taliban controlling people's lives. America is heaven compared to Afghanistan. Often, some rather zealous people, in their quest to paint the US as a bastion of horror, conveniently brush aside just how horrific some other regimes around the world are, which is pretty unethical IMO.

I don't gravitate towards any side dependant on the lesser level of evil they are reported to be carrying out.
Any loss of human life sickens me , all the more when it is because of sheer lunacy.

Dropping bombs out of planes on cities populated by civilains ,including women and children is to me as evil as lashing and shooting a woman in the head.

It's all about the news source you subscribe to , in my mind the truly independant news reporting the facts are no longer the choice of many. I was in the US when the Gulf War round 2 started and fcuk me it opened my eyes more to propoganda when watch the reporting that was going on.

up for anything · 10-08-2010 12:53AM

mojesius wrote: »

Also, apparently they received no complaints from the public about this

This is hardly surprising! Complain and you'd end up in the same grave.

Manic Moran · 10-08-2010 02:00AM

Kasabian wrote: »

Why is it everytime you post in threads of this ilk , I feel like I am getting a briefing .

Sorry. I've been accused of having a 'lecturing' sort of style of speaking in the past. Just the way I am, really.

NTM

ynotdu · 10-08-2010 02:40AM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

the usa backed government still has the death penelty for women that commit adultry afaik. they not much better then the taliban when it come to human rights but at least they'll allow mcdonalds !oops i mean democracy

Cheap shot there round tower,there are somethings enshrined in America's Constitution[not a lot] that i think lets the Nation down badly.

Comparing the US to the taliban is way off the mark though,there is no comparison, end of!.

ynotdu · 10-08-2010 02:49AM

Stinicker wrote: »

Seriously though I think that something badly needs to be done against Islam sooner than later and the way they treat their women is disgraceful. Nuclear Weapons were created to make the world peaceful and a few nukes flung into Tehran and Mecca would solve alot of the worlds problems. The world needs to learn that Islam should not be tolerated and we need to force our peaceful Judeo Christian values on them and make the comply with democracy and freedom for all.

That was tried it was called "the Crusades" see how well it worked?

ynotdu · 10-08-2010 03:08AM

Wow tried to get to the end of all the posts in this thread but tired.
The blame game never ever seems to start with a poster/Nation first of all looking at him/her/ or Nation looking in a mirror first.

old_aussie · 10-08-2010 03:20AM

Mullah Daoud said that elders in Quds district had approached the insurgents when the woman became pregnant, many years after her husband had died.

Typical islam, get terrorists to do your dirty work

muslims are gutless unless in a group.

old_aussie tears another page out of the koran and wipes his arse

old_aussie · 10-08-2010 03:29AM

All these muslims who say they are moderate are just as bad as the scum terrorist and extreme muslims because they just sit behind their PC's and keep saying they are good muslims and DON'T do anything about it.

If these so called "good muslims" were really good muslims they would rise up and protes against their terrorist brothers.

Na, they're ****e scared that they will be hunted down and killed by their terrorist/extreme muslim brothers.

Jesus Juice · 10-08-2010 03:29AM

At least she wasnt buried up to her neck and stoned to death.

Jesus Juice · 10-08-2010 03:32AM

old_aussie wrote: »

All these muslims who say they are moderate are just as bad as the scum terrorist and extreme muslims because they just sit behind their PC's and keep saying they are good muslims and DON'T do anything about it.

If these so called "good muslims" were really good muslims they would rise up and protes against the terrorist brothers.

Na, they're ****e scared that they will be hunted down and killed by theit terrorist/extreme muslim brothers.

Ah ffs man relax thats like saying every Catholic sympathises with the IRA.And that its a Catholics duty to stop the IRA!

old_aussie · 10-08-2010 03:45AM

Dudess wrote: »

Not always?

At the same time though, blanket anti muslim feeling as a result of this, is just ignorance.

Untill these so called "good muslims" stand up and do something about this type of sadistic bull**** then they are all tarred with the same brush.

Tell me the last time you saw or heard of "good muslims" protesting about this sadistic bull****!

Jesus Juice · 10-08-2010 03:47AM

old_aussie wrote: »

Untill these so called "good muslims" stand up and do something about this type of sadistic bull**** then they are all tarred with the same brush.

Tell me the last time you saw or heard of "good muslims" protesting about this sadistic bull****!

Just because you dont see it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen:rolleyes:

fayrae · 10-08-2010 04:19AM

My first post here and probably my last as I'm sure I will be pulverized for it. All afternoon, I've thought about this woman who was flogged and then shot. Flogged over 200 times. Can you even begin to feel what she must have felt? Could any one of you have delivered the 10th lash? How about the 51st? 101? The only act of mercy shown here was shooting her in the head - instant death. They showed no mercy for the baby. I can't even begin to imagine how a person can do this to another human being. It's barbaric, evil, unimaginable ... I googled this topic, found your forum and started reading. I can't believe some of the comments! :eek: It's the fault of the west that there is a Taliban? You can compare something like this to war with other countries? There have always been wars, right or wrong and yes innocent people are killed but to even bring that into this discussion implies that our leaders are of the same caliber as the mullahs who did this to terrorize their subjects, especially woman, into submission. It's NOT the same thing!!!!!!!!! And we're worried about a little water-boarding at Gitmo?

Maybe it's about time some of these beast got a taste of their own medicine.

Tonight, on The Factor, a Muslim woman did speak out against building a Mosque near ground zero. God bless her!

ynotdu · 10-08-2010 04:46AM

fayrae wrote: »

My first post here and probably my last as I'm sure I will be pulverized for it. All afternoon, I've thought about this woman who was flogged and then shot. Flogged over 200 times. Can you even begin to feel what she must have felt? Could any one of you have delivered the 10th lash? How about the 51st? 101? The only act of mercy shown here was shooting her in the head - instant death. They showed no mercy for the baby. I can't even begin to imagine how a person can do this to another human being. It's barbaric, evil, unimaginable ... I googled this topic, found your forum and started reading. I can't believe some of the comments! :eek: It's the fault of the west that there is a Taliban? You can compare something like this to war with other countries? There have always been wars, right or wrong and yes innocent people are killed but to even bring that into this discussion implies that our leaders are of the same caliber as the mullahs who did this to terrorize their subjects, especially woman, into submission. It's NOT the same thing!!!!!!!!! And we're worried about a little water-boarding at Gitmo? Maybe it's about time some of these beast got a taste of their own medicine.

Tonight, on The Factor, a Muslim woman did speak out against building a Mosque near ground zero. God bless her!

I for one hope it is not Your last post fayray

Terry · 10-08-2010 07:26AM

Ricardo G wrote: »

Horrible story but why the hell would you whip someone.......and then shoot them? strange

Because some dude told everyone that God spoke to him, and the people believed him.

Overheal wrote: »

Can't stroll in, raze the place, hang around for 10 years, and then reformat centuries of Islamic tradition.

Indeed.
Next time, don't go in at all.
More later.

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Two things.

1) This story isn't about the state killing anyone. Afghanistan's government does not have the death penalty for adultery - it's 7-15 years in prison.

2) The US government does not execute adulterers either, and the people they do kill have a trial by jury.

The Taliban are bad guys.

Ahh, sure that's grand then.

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

How much do you think they'll make from occupying Afghanistan? Give us a rough idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

Biggins wrote: »

For me, its a protest ONLY against the Taliban justice system.
I have friends that I have gotten to know through my wife, whom are Muslim and they are very decent people.

Instead of automatically bashing America, maybe some of that mental energy can be used to offer practical suggestion as how to defeat this twisted menace?

Here's an idea. Fúck them. Leave them to their own devices.
There will come a time when the Afghan people get tired of being oppressed by religious zealots, and they will rise up against them.
That is the time to support any sort of military intervention there.

I know it sounds cruel and harsh, but far less people (especially innocent women and children) will die in a revolution than at the hands of a foreign invasion force.

It might take 100 years, but it will happen eventually.

Overheal wrote: »

Who the **** knows why companies do what they do. Hell, Best Buy and Target just donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to an Anti-Gay Rights Gubernatorial Candidate. Speculatively, because he was Anti-Gay Rights. Speaking of Rights injustices.

Gubernatorial is a funny word.

Perhaps they know that this dude is a closet case, and are getting in before he comes out. Then they can say that they supported gay rights all along.

Manic Moran wrote: »

That's a little overly cynical. Of course the reason the war started wasn't to free the people of Afghanistan. However, though the American point has been made as regards being a launch point for attacks against the country, the community has not just upped and left either and left the Afghan people to fare for themselves. Right now the primary objective is to fix the country, it's more a factor of reputation and prestige now as opposed to meeting security obligations. So much money has been spent, the argument that it's purely for financial reasons doesn't really hold all that much water.

NTM

Says it all, really.

Pregnant widow flogged and shot dead by the Taleban

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