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Pregnant widow flogged and shot dead by the Taleban

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  • #62
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Define the US delivering justice though? Killing someone?

    Yes I consider it to be fair justice to put to death another person who deserves it. A murderer like these people deserve to be put to death in the name of freedom loving individuals everywhere. Islam is not freedom and we have a moral duty to resist it and not allow it into our country or our continent, it is not compatible with our way of life or the freedoms we hold dear. We must be prepared for sacrifices in the name of our freedom because ultimately freedom is not free.

    Do we want to live in a country where women will be subjected to these types of torture or despicable acts of cruelty? Well unless we wake up and keep Islam out of Ireland then it is a very real possibility. I personally think Ireland should outlaw Islam, demolish their mosques and deport those who preach its hateful message. Islam has no place in any civilized society and we must be prepared to a fight against it.


  • #63
    piby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 539 ✭✭✭piby


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    I would like to sit down with some of these guys and get them to explain their logic/views/reasoning behind this. In all of the news stories that I read like this one , not one of the attackers give the reasoning/sources behind such an action. I think they use Islam as a cover to carry out such atrocities.
    Giselle wrote: »
    They will tell you that the Qu'ran is the UNALTERABLE word of god, and in it god specifies the punishment for sex outside of marraige. So they are upholding gods will. Because god had guns.

    They'd tell you all that and then behead you for being a Christian even if you weren't. I've come to the conclusion that they either do this using religion as a cover or they genuinely believe it. I certainly hope it's the former because the idea that somebody can actually think that a little book written hundreds of years ago by other men is justification to do something like this is frightening.

    You know Islam and Christianity were once a lot like each other. During the Crusades the Christians invoked the grace of god to do despicable things. The difference is (even radical) Christianity grew out of it.


  • #64
    Nodin
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    Kasabian wrote: »
    I fear your thread is heading towards an anti US rant

    ...more likely muslim bashing, by the looks of things....


  • #65
    Nodin
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    Do we want to live in a country where women will be subjected to these types of torture or despicable acts of cruelty? Well unless we wake up and keep Islam out of Ireland then it is a very real possibility. I personally think Ireland should outlaw Islam, demolish their mosques and deport those who preach its hateful message. Islam has no place in any civilized society and we must be prepared to a fight against it.

    I'd like to think you're just looking for attention.....


  • #66
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    This is terrible way to die.

    Taleban are a product of US foreign policy, in fact many of the world's conflicts are the result of US foreign policy.

    70% of arms are sold by the US.

    One can easily conclude from research on history of Taleban's rise to power the US should stop interfering in the affairs of other countries.

    The US are not interested in liberating any people in Afghanistan or Iraq, they're only interested in how much money can be made from occupying them.


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  • #67
    Donkey Oaty
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    pablo_escobar wrote: »
    The US are not interested in liberating any people in Afghanistan or Iraq, they're only interested in how much money can be made from occupying them.

    How much do you think they'll make from occupying Afghanistan? Give us a rough idea.


  • #68
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    "So, according to Islam,"


    Oh dear.
    Seriously, how can it be interpreted this way? and who can interpret something that would condone doing that and say to themself "yes..this seems fair"

    bloody fanatics.


  • #69
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...more likely muslim bashing, by the looks of things....
    exactly.
    extreme religious veiws of any type lead to stuff like this. catholic/prodestant churches were no strangers to torture murder and rape in their day.
    also the extreme sharia law practised by the taliban is the law used in saudi(our friends in the me) in the modern age it was the saudis that resuracted sharia law.
    moderate normal muslims are as far away from the taliban as we are from child raping/witch burning catholic bishops.


  • #70
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...more likely muslim bashing, by the looks of things....


    One generally leads to the other


  • #71
    Dudess
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    Define the US delivering justice though? Killing someone?
    Not always?
    Ush1 wrote: »
    So the US are the good guys then, despite them killing people for certain things?
    I don't get this insatiable need to make the point that the West is no better - I mean, nobody is disputing there have been unforgivable acts carried out by the US state, but is it necessary to turn it into a contest? Can't you just take the facts as they are? That this is a horrible, despicable atrocity - no need to bring in the "Well the other side is bad too" stuff. It's an abysmal thing to have been done and people have a right to criticise it. And women in America do not live their lives subjugated like women in Afghanisation - don't insult Afghan women by effectively saying their lives wouldn't be much better if they lived in America.
    As for "propaganda" - unless this is greatly exaggerated/fabricated, it's just reporting of facts.

    At the same time though, blanket anti muslim feeling as a result of this, is just ignorance.


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  • #72
    Biggins
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...more likely muslim bashing, by the looks of things....
    For me, its a protest ONLY against the Taliban justice system.
    I have friends that I have gotten to know through my wife, whom are Muslim and they are very decent people.

    Instead of automatically bashing America, maybe some of that mental energy can be used to offer practical suggestion as how to defeat this twisted menace?


  • #73
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    It is the way they interpret it that is the cause of so much violence and suffering. There are many islamic that do not carry out such atrocities. I know many muslims who abhor such violence and cruelty. What I would like them to do is explain why their view is right and the view of the vast majority of the muslim world is wrong.
    I'm referring to the Taliban in my post, the people responsible for this atrocity. Not the Muslim world as a whole.
    I do not think society can ever eradicate such behaviour by violence alone. We need to understand why they do these things and reason with them showing them the error of their way. However, this doesn't mean that a militaristic approach should be abandoned but you can see currently that bombing the Taliban into submission does not work.

    I completely agree.

    They need an education that includes more than the Qu'ran, they need a leader(s) that preaches a moderate take on their religion. They need to find ways of governing based on co-operation and free will, but sadly, from what I know of Afghanistan, society has evolved backwards since the war in the late '70's. Its now a medieval society.

    And its a society that uses violence to attain its goals. I wish it were otherwise, but that (imo) means that a diplomatic/democratic approach to dialogue will have limited sucess as long as there are people who are willing to behead/flog/stone/shoot/mutilate dissenters.


  • #74
    round tower huntsman
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    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    How much do you think they'll make from occupying Afghanistan? Give us a rough idea.
    have no links myslef but look em up yourself. usa recently announced a trillion dollars worth of natural mineral resources in afghanistan. iraq has the secind biggest oil reserve in the me.


  • #75
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Its even more backward considering that most muslim teachings are anti abortion


  • #76
    Giselle
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...more likely muslim bashing, by the looks of things....

    I'd like to be clear that my previous posts are anti-Taliban, not anti-Muslim.


  • #77
    Overheal
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Its even more backward considering that most muslim teachings are anti abortion
    Just have to go there huh, turn this into a Muslim/Abortion/US Megadebate of death.

    I'm running. Who's coming with?


  • #78
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Dudess wrote: »
    Not always?

    I don't get this insatiable need to make the point that the West is no better - I mean, nobody is disputing there have been unforgivable acts carried out by the US state, but is it necessary to turn it into a contest? Can't you just take the facts as they are? That this is a horrible, despicable atrocity - no need to bring in the "Well the other side is bad too" stuff. It's an abysmal thing to have been done and people have a right to criticise it. And women in America do not live their lives subjugated like women in Afghanisation - don't insult Afghan women by effectively saying their lives wouldn't be much better if they lived in America.
    As for "propaganda" - unless this is greatly exaggerated/fabricated, it's just reporting of facts.

    At the same time though, blanket anti muslim feeling as a result of this, is just ignorance.

    Of course it's not a contest, I feel it should be pointed out however that in the West, people are legally executed. That's all.

    His definition of justice as he went on to say, is clearly killing people.

    This awful crime however is no less horrible.


  • #79
    Giselle
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Its even more backward considering that most muslim teachings are anti abortion

    Not everybody thinks abortion = enlightenment either.


  • #80
    Biggins
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    Dudess wrote: »
    I don't get this insatiable need to make the point that the West is no better - I mean, nobody is disputing there have been unforgivable acts carried out by the US state, but is it necessary to turn it into a contest? Can't you just take the facts as they are? That this is a horrible, despicable atrocity - no need to bring in the "Well the other side is bad too" stuff. It's an abysmal thing to have been done and people have a right to criticise it. And women in America do not live their lives subjugated like women in Afghanisation - don't insult Afghan women by effectively saying their lives wouldn't be much better if they lived in America.
    As for "propaganda" - unless this is greatly exaggerated/fabricated, it's just reporting of facts.

    At the same time though, blanket anti muslim feeling as a result of this, is just ignorance.

    Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

    I personally apologise if my postings appear to be anti-American - they are NOT.
    And I will take issue with anyone that tries to turn them into such.
    I have an American bother-in-law for years, have lived in America, worked there and have the highest respect for the people on the streets there - and you know what, some of them are Muslim too and equally as nice.

    ...And I apologise to Overheal if I have offended him by my rudeness.


  • #81
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Just have to go there huh, turn this into a Muslim/Abortion/US Megadebate of death.

    I'm running. Who's coming with?


    im not saying wheter im anti abortion or wheter abortion is right or wrong im just saying by taliban doctrine (and one of the reasons they criticise the us) abortion is wrong

    Again im calling the taliban hypocrites not debating abortion


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  • #82
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Dudess wrote: »
    Not always?

    I don't get this insatiable need to make the point that the West is no better - I mean, nobody is disputing there have been unforgivable acts carried out by the US state, but is it necessary to turn it into a contest? Can't you just take the facts as they are? That this is a horrible, despicable atrocity - no need to bring in the "Well the other side is bad too" stuff. It's an abysmal thing to have been done and people have a right to criticise it. And women in America do not live their lives subjugated like women in Afghanisation - don't insult Afghan women by effectively saying their lives wouldn't be much better if they lived in America.
    As for "propaganda" - unless this is greatly exaggerated/fabricated, it's just reporting of facts.

    I think you'll find my ponderings were were not for the purpose of a contest.
    I believe that we are fed a lot of propganda in the west , some are not smart enough to see it. WMD was one of the tricks used and greatly exaggerated for a western power and it's cloest alley to invade a country purely for oil.


    There were no facts in that reporting and that is what keeps me healthily cynical of reports.


  • #83
    Donkey Oaty
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    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    have no links myslef but look em up yourself. usa recently announced a trillion dollars worth of natural mineral resources in afghanistan.

    Okay. You think the Afghan war is purely about money to be made from exploiting the natural resources of Afghanistan. I think you are misguided, but there we go.


  • #84
    starbelgrade
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    piby wrote: »
    During the Crusades the Christians invoked the grace of god to do despicable things. The difference is (even radical) Christianity grew out of it.

    When exactly did Christainity or more accurately, the Roman Catholic Church, grow out of using religion as a guise for doing despicable things?

    I'm not talking about paedohelia, as it wasn't done in the "name of the Lord", but what about their involvement in the genocide in Rwanda? Their stance on using contraception & it's subsequent helping of the spread of AIDS in Africa?

    Their misogonistic & homophobic views may not have caused deaths in the way their religion has done in Africa, but they too are also despicable.


  • #85
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    Donkey Oaty wrote:
    How much do you think they'll make from occupying Afghanistan? Give us a rough idea.

    When Americans buy chinese products and the chinese then buy US treasuries and bonds, where does that money go? it goes into the military budget and that money is funneled into various private corporations.

    The profits are unquantifiable, but safe to say in trillions of dollars per annum.

    It's the private industry who benefit from these 2 invasions while the american tax payer takes it up the ass with the accumulated debt.

    I pity anyone who believes the US military were sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight a terrorist problem which US foreign policy created in the first place.

    Good business is where you find it.


  • #86
    Kasabian
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    This thread has turned into a hundred others like it :(


  • #87
    piby
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    Giselle wrote: »
    They need to find ways of governing based on co-operation and free will, but sadly, from what I know of Afghanistan, society has evolved backwards since the war in the late '70's. Its now a medieval society..

    My views on Islam aside (which stem not from a dislike of it alone but my opinions on religion in general) one of the big things to remember is that the Afghnistan quagmire was created by the West. Not just the US but the Soviet Union too. Until 1979 Afghanistan was a cosmopolitan country virtually unrecognisible from today. I think many of have seen the pictures of women with their hair down and short skirts etc. Then the Soviets reduced the country to nothing faciltating the rise of fundamentalism that was supported by the US until the Taliban decided they didn't want McDonalds and minature American flags for all.


  • #88
    Dudess
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    Kasabian wrote: »
    I think you'll find my ponderings were were not for the purpose of a contest.
    I believe that we are fed a lot of propganda in the west , some are not smart enough to see it. WMD was one of the tricks used and greatly exaggerated for a western power and it's cloest alley to invade a country purely for oil.


    There were no facts in that reporting and that is what keeps me healthily cynical of reports.
    Absolutely. This however is a specific event which actually happened, not an intangible concept like WMD. Just like it's dangerous for people to be sucked in by the likes of the latter though, I also think it's dangerous for people to be cynical and suspicious about absolutely everything for fear of succumbing to western bias.


  • #89
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    Donkey Oaty wrote:
    Okay. You think the Afghan war is purely about money to be made from exploiting the natural resources of Afghanistan. I think you are misguided, but there we go.

    No, I believe it's to free the oppressed people of Afghanistan..obviously that's why the US are spending tax dollars that run into trillions.


  • #90
    Overheal
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

    I personally apologise if my postings appear to be anti-American - they are NOT.
    And I will take issue with anyone that tries to turn them into such.
    I have an American bother-in-law for years, have lived in America, worked there and have the highest respect for the people on the streets there - and you know what, some of them are Muslim too and equally as nice.

    ...And I apologise to Overheal if I have offended him by my rudeness.
    I'm hard to offend by rudeness alone :) I had thought I smelled a hypocrisy where there wasn't really any and made myself look foolish. I'm going to sit in the corner and narf some popcorn now.


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  • #91
    K.Flyer
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    piby wrote: »
    The difference is (even radical) Christianity grew out of it.

    But have they??

    E.G. Northern Ireland, Cats Vs. Prods thats not completely over. There is still some very deep rooted hatred on both sides of that fence with no compunction to maim or kill innocent lives in the name of their religon.


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