Legislation From the Irish Government Will Allow Foreign Police On Irish Streets.

eightyfish · 04-08-2010 01:58PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Government desperately clinging onto power has used the Gardai against the people but have now asked for help from Germany and the UK "to help restore calm, law and order"?

Conspiracy Theories is that way---->
Creative Writing is that way also---->

owenc · 04-08-2010 01:58PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Being in the RUC, it would have been dangerous to have much, or anything, to do with the nationalist community on a social level, so it would have been easy to get just a one-sided view of the situation for them and their families.

People up there have still got a long way to go in finding out about each other.

I think the police officers i have at least a slight idea what nationalists are like , after all they had to face the ira etc etc.

ScumLord · 04-08-2010 01:58PM

Stinicker wrote: »

So lets imagine in the morning the Irish people actually grew a backbone and we had an armed insurrection against our own government.

Luckily this is a democratic country and that won't happen, the people get the government they deserve. We don't get involved in local government so really haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to who's to blame for our travesty of a government.

Just stop voting for FF.

Fuhrer · 04-08-2010 01:59PM

owenc wrote: »

I think the police officers i have at least a slight idea what nationalists are like , after all they had to face the ira etc etc.

So, all nationalists are the IRA?

Dionysus · 04-08-2010 01:59PM

owenc wrote: »

I think the police officers i have at least a slight idea what nationalists are like , after all they had to face the ira etc etc.

I hope this is not a case of 'Like [RUC] father, like son".

owenc · 04-08-2010 02:01PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

So, all nationalists are the IRA?

*sigh* again.:rolleyes: Everytime i post on here yous all attack me.

Dionysus · 04-08-2010 02:03PM

owenc wrote: »

*sigh* again.:rolleyes: Everytime i post on here yous all attack me.

So if "yous" all attack, well, you, what are the chances that the problem could be the sort of things you write in your posts?

genericguy · 04-08-2010 02:04PM

owenc wrote: »

*sigh* again.:rolleyes: Everytime i post on here yous all attack me.

you just changed your post there from "fine republicans".
if you stopped spouting narrow-minded sectarian bollox through atrocious grammar and spelling so that we at least didn't think you were a barely-literate shít stirring teenage troll, you'd probably get on ok.

owenc · 04-08-2010 02:05PM

Dionysus wrote: »

So if "yous" all attack, well, you, what are the chances that the problem could be the sort of things you write in your posts?

Do yous ever stop and think that i might be getting offended with some of the critical things you lot of have said, in fact sometimes i think yous are rather daft with the things yous come out with.

genericguy · 04-08-2010 02:06PM

owenc wrote: »

Do yous ever stop and think that i might be getting offended with some of the critical things you lot of have said, in fact sometimes i think yous are rather daft with the things yous come out with.

no, because you're a troll and it's obviously what you want.

Witcher · 04-08-2010 02:07PM

owenc wrote: »

Do yous ever stop and think that i might be getting offended with some of the critical things you lot of have said, in fact sometimes i think yous are rather daft with the things yous come out with.

Nobody forces you to post here though, if you're offended you know where the door is:rolleyes:

General Zod · 04-08-2010 02:08PM

Owen, if you have a serious interest in politics, do yourself a favour and read some of the history of the north from a nationalist perspective. You may not agree with it but that doesn't mean you can't further your understanding of their position.

owenc · 04-08-2010 02:09PM

genericguy wrote: »

no, because you're a troll and it's obviously what you want.

OH MY GOD!:mad:

bonerm · 04-08-2010 02:11PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Thanks again to all those that voted Yes in this farcical referendum.

You're welcome.

Nah just kidding. I voted "no" .... twice in fact. Democracy is very confusing!

Cookie_Monster · 04-08-2010 02:18PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It would take less than three hours to round up an anti riot squad from abroad and have them deployed on the streets of Dublin.

less than half that to get the army on scene...

shampon · 04-08-2010 02:24PM

Wont somebody please take the time to consider the Native American Indian.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-08-2010 02:38PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

less than half that to get the army on scene...

From the UK yes

Dyr · 04-08-2010 02:38PM

We already let bleedin fordiners into the gardai so why not go the whole hog?

JayEnnis · 04-08-2010 02:40PM

I wouldn't mind some spanish police to kick the **** out of the scummers/junkies.

humanji · 04-08-2010 02:43PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

Personally I have a major problem with this legislation - say in the event of the "terrorists" attacking Britain again our guards could be expected to go to England to put their lives at risk to defend the English people...

Now if I was to join the guards I'd be joining up knowing that there's the possibility of injury/possibly death but it'd be for the Irish people... I wouldn't be worrying about international terrorists targeting Ireland because I feel Irish foreign policy on attacking middle east states is sound enough to prevent Ireland ever becoming a target...

If any of our guards are ever injured because they have to serve on foreign soil it's a disgrace - They didn't sign up to fight someone else's war - they signed up to enforce the law in this country... not another country who's laws and policies make it a prime target to be attacked...

It's only in cases where the other country desperately needs more help in major situations where their own police force can't cope.
It's only if the government agrees to send them over.
It's only members of the Emergency Response Unit.
They still have the choice to say no.

Stinicker wrote:

So lets imagine in the morning the Irish people actually grew a backbone and we had an armed insurrection against our own government.

The Government desperately clinging onto power has used the Gardai against the people but have now asked for help from Germany and the UK "to help restore calm, law and order"?

For the Irish government right now to sign this law into force is firstly usurping our defined policy of neutrality and secondly betraying the Irish people by essentially entering into a Military alliance with foreign countries and making us more likely to get drawn into conflict.

It shows the disgrace that this government is and how they have lost all authority in the eyes of freedom & democracy loving citizens. They are an illegal government with about the same claim and authority to dictate to the Irish people as Queen Elizabeth II has.

Firstly, modern Ireland will never have an armed revolt.

Secondly, it's not like the rest of the world sends their armies in to kill everyone who looks at them funny. They'd be sent in to diffuse situations.

Thirdly, an armed uprising is an act of treason, which is against the law. The government would be right to try and stop a crime being commited. We have elections to enact change.

Leaving the door wide open is the worrying part of this legislation, yes its great that Gardai can assist foreign counterparts with intelligence.

What if the state decides to call in a foreign police force to assist them in the next major public demonstration ? (And there will be many of them)

It would take less than three hours to round up an anti riot squad from abroad and have them deployed on the streets of Dublin.

They can't use the legislation to call in European police forces for demonstrations. And why would they need to? They have lots of gardaí and many of them are armed.

And stop with the "leaving the door wide open" lark. It was nonsense during the Lisbon campaign and it's nonsense now.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-08-2010 02:47PM

Bambi wrote: »

We already let bleedin fordiners into the gardai so why not go the whole hog?

Pun intended.

HavingCrack · 04-08-2010 02:50PM

General Zod wrote: »

Who said this? Great quote.

mikom wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._P._Hartley

I always thought it was Bill Bryson

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ejmaztec · 04-08-2010 02:50PM

humanji wrote: »

It's only in cases where the other country desperately needs more help in major situations where their own police force can't cope.

...or in Ireland's case, where the Guards are too busy earning money on traffic offences to get involved in dodging bricks and bottles.

HavingCrack · 04-08-2010 02:53PM

owenc wrote: »

OH MY GOD!:mad:

Owen I always wonder why you're a poster on an internet forum based in Ireland/the 26 counties/the south/whatever you want to call it.You seem to get your back up constantly in every thread by bringing up the Northern Irish situation yourself and then getting annoyed when peopel disagree with you.

Is there no British version of boards.ie that you would be more at home at if you're fed up of all the supposed bullying you have to suffer on this ?

Stinicker · 04-08-2010 03:09PM

humanji wrote: »

It's only in cases where the other country desperately needs more help in major situations where their own police force can't cope.
It's only if the government agrees to send them over.
It's only members of the Emergency Response Unit.
They still have the choice to say no.

Firstly, modern Ireland will never have an armed revolt.

Secondly, it's not like the rest of the world sends their armies in to kill everyone who looks at them funny. They'd be sent in to diffuse situations.

Thirdly, an armed uprising is an act of treason, which is against the law. The government would be right to try and stop a crime being commited. We have elections to enact change.

They can't use the legislation to call in European police forces for demonstrations. And why would they need to? They have lots of gardaí and many of them are armed.

And stop with the "leaving the door wide open" lark. It was nonsense during the Lisbon campaign and it's nonsense now.

So our forefathers should have stayed in bed on the Morning of Easter 1916, and the whole war of independence was only for the craic then? Treason is only subjective through the eyes of the oppresssor and what this government has done to the public in this country is far more traitorous that anything the people themselves would do.

Our Government are undemocratic and are Traitors to this country, if there was to be an armed revolt then the people of this country would be very right to defend the nation and if the Government were to try and use the Gardai or Army to defend themselves then they would be legitimate targets in a civil war.

The only Traitors in Ireland right now are the FF and Green TDs and each and every single one deserves a bullet through the back of the head for have they have done to our little island and its people. If we were British administered their would outcry and we would have started killing the forces of British occupation long ago, RIC to Public servents would all be fair game; however when it is FF scumbags in charge the people stand idly by and watch the utter destruction of Ireland, her people and way of life.

Witcher · 04-08-2010 03:11PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The only Traitors in Ireland right now are the FF and Green TDs and each and every single one deserves a bullet through the back of the head for have they have done to our little island and its people. If we were British administered their would outcry and we would have started killing the forces of British occupation long ago, RIC to Public servents would all be fair game; however when it is FF scumbags in charge the people stand idly by and watch the utter destruction of Ireland, her people and way of life.

Indeed..infact YOU should be at the spearhead of such an assault, you get a gun and run into the Dail first...we'll.....follow....

humanji · 04-08-2010 03:27PM

Stinicker wrote: »

So our forefathers should have stayed in bed on the Morning of Easter 1916, and the whole war of independence was only for the craic then? Treason is only subjective through the eyes of the oppresssor and what this government has done to the public in this country is far more traitorous that anything the people themselves would do.

Our Government are undemocratic and are Traitors to this country, if there was to be an armed revolt then the people of this country would be very right to defend the nation and if the Government were to try and use the Gardai or Army to defend themselves then they would be legitimate targets in a civil war.

The only Traitors in Ireland right now are the FF and Green TDs and each and every single one deserves a bullet through the back of the head for have they have done to our little island and its people. If we were British administered their would outcry and we would have started killing the forces of British occupation long ago, RIC to Public servents would all be fair game; however when it is FF scumbags in charge the people stand idly by and watch the utter destruction of Ireland, her people and way of life.

Our forefathers died to give you democracy and you want to get rid of it?

genericguy · 04-08-2010 03:33PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

Owen I always wonder why you're a poster on an internet forum based in Ireland/the 26 counties/the south/whatever you want to call it.You seem to get your back up constantly in every thread by bringing up the Northern Irish situation yourself and then getting annoyed when peopel disagree with you.

Is there no British version of boards.ie that you would be more at home at if you're fed up of all the supposed bullying you have to suffer on this ?

yeah, head to stormfront owen, they'll like you. well, they won't, but hey.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-08-2010 03:33PM

humanji wrote: »

Our forefathers died to give you democracy and you want to get rid of it?

That was all thrown away on October 2nd 2009. :rolleyes:

humanji · 04-08-2010 03:37PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

That was all thrown away on October 2nd 2009. :rolleyes:

Want to explain that? Or are you still panning the "Lisbon is evil" tripe?

Legislation From the Irish Government Will Allow Foreign Police On Irish Streets.

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