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Legislation From the Irish Government Will Allow Foreign Police On Irish Streets.

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  • #32
    Dave!
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    But it can only be used where a member state's own emergency-response teams are unable to cope with a particular crisis and seek help from elsewhere in the EU.

    It does not cover natural disasters, such as earthquakes or floods.

    A member state can seek such specialist assistance where a criminal or terrorist offence poses a serious threat to the security of the country.

    Security officials last night acknowledged it was unlikely the measure would be used by the Government here unless there was a threatened total breakdown in law and order.

    Surely that gives peace of mind, no?

    Another crash and burn from RTDH

    Good work mate


  • #33
    johnmcdnl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    Personally I have a major problem with this legislation - say in the event of the "terrorists" attacking Britain again our guards could be expected to go to England to put their lives at risk to defend the English people...

    Now if I was to join the guards I'd be joining up knowing that there's the possibility of injury/possibly death but it'd be for the Irish people... I wouldn't be worrying about international terrorists targeting Ireland because I feel Irish foreign policy on attacking middle east states is sound enough to prevent Ireland ever becoming a target...

    If any of our guards are ever injured because they have to serve on foreign soil it's a disgrace - They didn't sign up to fight someone else's war - they signed up to enforce the law in this country... not another country who's laws and policies make it a prime target to be attacked...


  • #34
    HavingCrack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    owenc wrote: »
    Aw god here we go:rolleyes:.... EVERY SINGLE THREAD
    owenc wrote: »
    Oh.. did they not reject it because some poll said 70% of the county didn't want it or something. EDIT: we did, but who cares i couldn't care less i don't want to have anything to do with any european country trying to take all our money and has nothing in similarity to us so they can just get lost!

    OWEN PLEASE STOP TAKING THE BAIT :pac:, you do it in every single thread. By the way the United Kingdom is part of the Lisbon Treaty whether you like it or not so I don't see how you think that you aren't????

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6901353.stm


  • #35
    Cookie_Monster
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    but they'd get danger money and over time, they'd all be up for it. :D


  • #36
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    HavingCrack wrote: »
    OWEN PLEASE STOP TAKING THE BAIT :pac:, you do it in every single thread. By the way the United Kingdom is part of the Lisbon Treaty whether you like it or not so I don't see how you think that you aren't????

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6901353.stm

    Idk its confusing i don't care too much about it so maybe the last time i heard about it was when they were discussing joining it..


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  • #37
    who the fug
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    but they'd get danger money and over time, they'd all be up for it. :D

    And if they are based in London, they get to kill brazillians


  • #38
    biko
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    I hope they bring over some yummy Iraqi police


  • #39
    El Siglo
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    Rabble rabble rabble rabble loss of independence rabble rabble rabble 1916 rabble rabble RUC... Stupid thread.


  • #40
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Thanks again to all those that voted Yes in this farcical referendum.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-get-new-powers-to-tackle-terrorists-overseas-2281787.html

    Did you even read the article you linked to? It was first implemented in other European countries after the Madrid bombings.

    NOTHING TO DO WITH LISBON.

    Also, it's only if the police force of the country in question request assistance from other EU police forces.

    Your paranoia is ridiculous sometimes.


  • #41
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    Personally I have a major problem with this legislation - say in the event of the "terrorists" attacking Britain again our guards could be expected to go to England to put their lives at risk to defend the English people...

    Now if I was to join the guards I'd be joining up knowing that there's the possibility of injury/possibly death but it'd be for the Irish people... I wouldn't be worrying about international terrorists targeting Ireland because I feel Irish foreign policy on attacking middle east states is sound enough to prevent Ireland ever becoming a target...

    If any of our guards are ever injured because they have to serve on foreign soil it's a disgrace - They didn't sign up to fight someone else's war - they signed up to enforce the law in this country... not another country who's laws and policies make it a prime target to be attacked...
    Excellent point.

    I wonder does our government have a say in the matter if such a situation arose whereby another EU country requested Irish Gardai to aid them?


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  • #42
    dlofnep
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    owenc wrote: »
    The RUC are native people to northern ireland.. my dad was in it hes native.. what do you mean?

    Ah, so that explains your views.


  • #43
    General Zod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    El Siglo wrote: »
    Rabble rabble rabble rabble loss of independence rabble rabble rabble 1916 rabble rabble RUC... Stupid thread.


    Was just remarking on a contrapoint to Owen's usual patter on boards.


  • #44
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    Personally I have a major problem with this legislation - say in the event of the "terrorists" attacking Britain again our guards could be expected to go to England to put their lives at risk to defend the English people...

    Now if I was to join the guards I'd be joining up knowing that there's the possibility of injury/possibly death but it'd be for the Irish people... I wouldn't be worrying about international terrorists targeting Ireland because I feel Irish foreign policy on attacking middle east states is sound enough to prevent Ireland ever becoming a target...

    If any of our guards are ever injured because they have to serve on foreign soil it's a disgrace - They didn't sign up to fight someone else's war - they signed up to enforce the law in this country... not another country who's laws and policies make it a prime target to be attacked...

    As said in the first line of the article, it's only the highly trained Garda elite squad that would be requested to do this. It's up to the Irish Govt whether they want to send assistance or not.


    Also, I'm sick of people pointing at the EU doing something they don't like and blaming it on people voting for Lisbon. It just further backs up the idea that the no voters (in general) didn't have a clue what Lisbon was about.


  • #45
    owenc
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    General Zod wrote: »
    Was just remarking on a contrapoint to Owen's usual patter on boards.

    *sigh* I have an interest in politics through at unionist view so you should expect me to say things like that, but no i am a loser because i do this, its not fair the way i have to get banned because of this, its discrimination. Look just forget about this i don't want a permabann.


  • #46
    evercloserunion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    Personally I have a major problem with this legislation - say in the event of the "terrorists" attacking Britain again our guards could be expected to go to England to put their lives at risk to defend the English people...

    Now if I was to join the guards I'd be joining up knowing that there's the possibility of injury/possibly death but it'd be for the Irish people... I wouldn't be worrying about international terrorists targeting Ireland because I feel Irish foreign policy on attacking middle east states is sound enough to prevent Ireland ever becoming a target...

    If any of our guards are ever injured because they have to serve on foreign soil it's a disgrace - They didn't sign up to fight someone else's war - they signed up to enforce the law in this country... not another country who's laws and policies make it a prime target to be attacked...
    What about Irish people who die on UN sanctioned peacekeeping missions so, is that a disgrace? We've been sending our people abroad to serve in different countries for years, because our concept of justice and order goes beyond narrow self-interest.

    If we ever suffered a major man made or natural disaster and didn't have sufficient resources to deal with it ourselves I would be hoping and praying that other countries don't share your attitude and would be willing to send people over to help.


  • #47
    Dionysus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    General Zod wrote: »
    Welcome to the nationalist community! :pac:

    hehe. Daggers in that there tongue.
    owenc wrote: »
    The RUC are native people to northern ireland.. my dad was in it hes native.. what do you mean?

    Yes, and a large number of the Pied Noir were "native to Algeria", an accident of birth which was of minor relevancy when they were torturing the native Algerians on behalf of the French state they claimed nationality from, and loyalty to, in the 1950s and 1960s (before some 900,000 of them were forced to flee Algeria in 1962 and "return" to France).


  • #48
    Dionysus
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    El Siglo wrote: »
    Rabble rabble rabble rabble....

    Not very original of you, in fairness.


  • #49
    eightyfish
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    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    Personally I have a major problem with this legislation - say in the event of the "terrorists" attacking Britain again our guards could be expected to go to England to put their lives at risk to defend the English people...

    Damn right. There's no "us" and "them" with the UK. We are closer than we have ever been as countries. The UK is not the UK of the past, as we are not the Ireland of the past. We are all European citizens. If London was in trouble, or Paris, and people over there were in danger, I'd expect the Irish police force to lend a hand if needs be. And vice versa.


  • #50
    mikom
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    eightyfish wrote: »
    If London was in trouble, or Paris, and people over there were in danger, I'd expect the Irish police force to lend a hand if needs be. And vice versa.

    Lend a hand to Paris......


  • #51
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    eightyfish wrote: »
    If London was in trouble, or Paris, and people over there were in danger, I'd expect the Irish police force to lend a hand if needs be. And vice versa.

    why, what could our measly Garda "force" do that the British or French army couldn't simply step in and do instead.

    I'm not sure I get the point of this legislation, apart maybe from info sharing, but that's what Europol is for


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  • #52
    vincenzolorenzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭vincenzolorenzo


    owenc wrote: »
    The RUC are native people to northern ireland.. my dad was in it hes native.. what do you mean?

    Because the RUC were primarily a Unionist police force and the nationalist community were treated as second class citizens for many many years. And that is a well acknowledged fact. You also say: 'i wouldn't like foreign police controlling my streets' when basically that is what happened in Northern ireland, well as far as the nationalists were concerned anyway.

    TBH how you can know so little about your own history is mind boggling


  • #53
    genericguy
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    owenc wrote: »
    Is this the start of them trying to join up all the european contries which have no similarites to here at all?:rolleyes:


    you don't fuking live "here", you live in a foreign country, so it's none of your concern.


  • #54
    mikom
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    genericguy wrote: »
    you don't fuking live "here", you live in a foreign country, so it's none of your concern.

    "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there"


  • #55
    General Zod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    mikom wrote: »
    "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there"

    Who said this? Great quote.


  • #56
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    owenc wrote: »
    Oh.. did they not reject it because some poll said 70% of the county didn't want it or something. EDIT: we did, but who cares i couldn't care less i don't want to have anything to do with any european country trying to take all our money and has nothing in similarity to us so they can just get lost!
    We have quite a lot in common with other European countries. There's nothing wrong with setting standards and getting us all working off the same hymn sheet, how we do business has little effect on culture, I don't see the Spanish or Irish or English changing all that much, all that's happening is it's easier for us to travel and do business with each other. The union between European counties has been great for us all. We could do with being more like other European countries and many of them can benefit from our input too.

    European police forces are more than likely fairly committed to preventing criminals from fleeing one country to hide out in another and I don't see anything wrong with that.


  • #57
    mikom
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    General Zod wrote: »
    Who said this? Great quote.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._P._Hartley


  • #58
    Stinicker
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    So lets imagine in the morning the Irish people actually grew a backbone and we had an armed insurrection against our own government.

    The Government desperately clinging onto power has used the Gardai against the people but have now asked for help from Germany and the UK "to help restore calm, law and order"?

    For the Irish government right now to sign this law into force is firstly usurping our defined policy of neutrality and secondly betraying the Irish people by essentially entering into a Military alliance with foreign countries and making us more likely to get drawn into conflict.

    It shows the disgrace that this government is and how they have lost all authority in the eyes of freedom & democracy loving citizens. They are an illegal government with about the same claim and authority to dictate to the Irish people as Queen Elizabeth II has.


  • #59
    ejmaztec
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    vincenzolorenzo wrote: »
    Because the RUC were primarily a Unionist police force and the nationalist community were treated as second class citizens for many many years. And that is a well acknowledged fact. You also say: 'i wouldn't like foreign police controlling my streets' when basically that is what happened in Northern ireland, well as far as the nationalists were concerned anyway.

    TBH how you can know so little about your own history is mind boggling

    Being in the RUC, it would have been dangerous to have much, or anything, to do with the nationalist community on a social level, so it would have been easy to get just a one-sided view of the situation for them and their families.

    People up there have still got a long way to go in finding out about each other.


  • #60
    owenc
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    genericguy wrote: »
    you don't fuking live "here", you live in a foreign country, so it's none of your concern.

    Its happening in the countries were this treaty is in effect.:rolleyes:


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  • #61
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    why, what could our measly Garda "force" do that the British or French army couldn't simply step in and do instead.

    I'm not sure I get the point of this legislation, apart maybe from info sharing, but that's what Europol is for

    Leaving the door wide open is the worrying part of this legislation, yes its great that Gardai can assist foreign counterparts with intelligence.

    What if the state decides to call in a foreign police force to assist them in the next major public demonstration ? (And there will be many of them)

    It would take less than three hours to round up an anti riot squad from abroad and have them deployed on the streets of Dublin.


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