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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    it's so hip and edgy to be an atheist these days

    I believe in the Jesus of the Bible

    I have some magic beans you may be interested in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Bonavox


    Zemuppet wrote: »
    i have my own theory on his so called crucifixion.

    Jesus died den came back as a zombie...the 1st zombie. den to explain how the cave he was placed was opened, its very simple. Grave robbers moved the stone in front of the cave, only to find a very dead and very hungry Jesus. He ate dem, leaving nothing behind.

    There the crucifixion story told in a more believable way :D

    Your ideas are intriguing me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Zemuppet


    Bonavox wrote: »
    Your ideas are intriguing me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


    Thank you for your interest. Only 29.99 for a years membership. Join now and get a free Zombie Jesus T-shirt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Zemuppet


    But seriously in all fairness, i believe jesus was a real person who did inspire millions of people to help their fellow man and do good in the world. Granted as an atheist i do not believe in god or any of the beliefs surrounding jesus as "the son god with magical powers". But i do think he is a hugely important figure in our history.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Jim wrote: »
    I would imagine Hitler or Chairman Mao are more famous.

    The Beatles


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭I_AmThe_Walrus


    I believe he existed and is the son of God but it's hard to believe he walked on water and stuff in that light. A lot of it's over-exaggerated.

    notsureifsrs.jpg
    I heard he signed for Man City.

    lulz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Jesus H. Christ! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Dudess wrote: »
    The original hippie, whom, ironically, far-right christian zealots would ****ing detest.


    Aye, nothing says Free love more then those who dont believe in me burning in eternal fire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Zemuppet wrote: »
    i have my own theory on his so called crucifixion.

    Jesus died den came back as a zombie...the 1st zombie.


    Well no, he raised Lazarus and thousands of others as well.


    Resurrection from death seems rather pedestrian at the time.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    How could you not love this guy :cool:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Well no, he raised Lazarus and thousands of others as well.


    Resurrection from death seems rather pedestrian at the time.

    Why did he do that when the point of dying is going off to heaven (fingers crossed!!!!) which is the point of it all is it not?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Biggins wrote: »
    Well if he did, every image of him has his skin colour wrong so far!

    How do you know what colour his friggen skin is.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I believe he existed.. Not that it matters. The story written about him has managed to help some people and cause death and suffering for others. He's one of countless preachers at th time and his story was written 300 years after his death to suit a purpose.

    That's all anyone needs to know about him.. If he wasn't the biggest fad of the last two millennia, someone else would have been. All religious folk denounce all other religions as if there's is the one true belief. It's laughable. I find the beliefs of south american tribes more realistic and meaningful.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    He wasn't the messiah, he was a very naughty boy!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    "I am an historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history."

    I'd find it hard from a historians perspective to put so much weight behind the figure and not the cult (not a stab at christianity just a term) that persisted around him. There are countless 'figures' in history that are generally presented as individual forces of nature but the historians perspective would be to the dismantel the myth of the figure and reveal the cult that brought him or her to the fore, As ads by google said, the more intersting stuff is how his name and words were used in the 300 years after his death, the actual events of his life are meaningless and can easily be questioned while there is much more recorded events of the movements and intentions of early christians and it is much more interesting from a historian's perspective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,361 ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    He probably did exist and was one of the best politicians ever to hit the streets back in the year 0AD.
    The best damn democrat to run against the Roman conservatives if you will.
    Obviously, his PR company did one hell of a job when selling their product.
    Not surprisingly though, like all advertising agencies, they exaggerated a 'little' when promoting what Jebus could deliver.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Destiny Famous Quid


    Zemuppet wrote: »
    Jesus died den came back as a zombie

    Who's den?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    owenc wrote: »
    How do you know what colour his friggen skin is.
    We don't know what he was but we do know what he wasn't by process of elimination, time-line and geographical locational birthplace.
    As such we can surmise more accurately what colour he was given his regional caucasian.
    The vast majority of historians and scientists stick to the basic tenement that he was a Galilean Jew (historical background on this alone is found in the bible in many books) and thus would have features which resemble modern-day persons of Semitic descent. This would have meant that his skin colour alone portrayed by western and most modern civilisations would be totally inaccurate via their idolised pictures, statues, glass stained windows and even mass cards, etc.

    The Middle East was crossing point of cultures and races which leads to further attenuation that Jesus more so should have been African or Arabian, even partly mixed, if not more so. The Near East was the primary means of access for traders and travelers seeking to access Africa via the adjoining Levant. Hence, the bordering Roman provinces of Judea and Galilee (Jesus' home region) multiple waves of immigrants passing through those primarily Semitic lands. As such, it is conceivable that Jesus' lineage could have borne traces of Arab, Aramean, Berber, Roman, Greek, Black African, Persian or Indian ancestry.

    Had he been any one of these or a mixture, yet again there is no way he could have been the current image that is propagandised by current white only thinkers. His facial bone structure alone would have been indicative of the Levant era, Judea and Galilee region alone. Further taking into account the geographic region, the religious persuasion of his family and their faith's tendency to stay within their own kind, and their ability or lack there of to travel great distances due to known family job description and monetary concerns, that also absolutely limits the rare likelihood of further western caucasian DNA and pale/white/skin tones being introduced.

    Again, we don't know exactly what he was but we can be nearly sure given the above reasons and many more, what he wasn't - and thats the image you probably see all around you in western civilisation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Surprisingly (:)) I believe that Jesus is who He was described as in the Biblical text (both Old and New Testament) and that these accounts are accurate and correct. As a result of this, I aim to follow Him.

    I think the most important question isn't what do you believe about Jesus, but given what you do believe about Jesus how does one respond to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Yeah he did. He was killed by the Jews.

    /a walks away.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    I have trouble beleaveing in

    Immaculate conception. when it was probably Immoral.
    An angel appeared and told mary she was going to have the sun of good or was she hammered drunk?

    3 wise men.... needed a place to stay they so lied to have a nice sleep in a hay barn...

    serosuly the hole story's just a little far fetched


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    Jakkass wrote: »
    but given what you do believe about Jesus how does one respond to it.

    ignore it I'm afraid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    The Jefferson bible is a far better shot at the truth.

    Background info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible


    Text:
    http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JefJesu.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭JerryHandbag




    "Hey Jesus, is that baby for sale?"

    "It is now LOL"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    topper75 wrote: »
    The Jefferson bible is a far better shot at the truth.

    Background info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible


    Text:
    http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JefJesu.html

    Ok, yet another book version of the bible then.
    That solves everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    I love Jesus , Jesus loves me.

    Suck it up heathens :pac: :pac: :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    I think Jesus Christ existed as a carpenter who worked in Nazareth. I believed he travelled around the world, for whatever reason, and visited England at one point. He may have fathered children - but I don't believe that - and I think that Mary and Jesus spoke together about the circumstances of his conception.

    Whether Mary was with another man, and did not wish to offend Joseph, or whether she actually had a miraculous conception - I do believe that she at least believed that she had been visited by God. As a result she gave this message to her son, and he at least believed he was the son of God (whether it was as a result of mental illness or just because he loved his mother so much and wanted to make her happy)

    In any case, I would believe he start preaching and giving the Gospel, and I do believe he had some closer followers. I also believe that most were unhappy with him - so he was crucified. As a result the story spread and the Gospel was written. I do believe however that when the Bible was written it was with a more extravagant and perhaps rose tinted view then actually happened - and people wanted to desperately believe the stories they'd heard of this man without having factual evidence or access to a computer

    Why shouldn't we discount this man then? What makes him different from Jesus?
    http://a.abcnews.com/Travel/FaithMatters/story?id=5225539&page=1

    Click the link for a video


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Flecktarn wrote: »
    Very true, he would have looked something like this:
    http://www.awitness.org/eden2004/jesus.jpg
    Jaysis, he's an ugly bastard. That won't pull in the crowds.

    Beruthiel wrote: »
    He probably did exist and was one of the best politicians ever to hit the streets back in the year 0AD.
    The best damn democrat to run against the Roman conservatives if you will.
    Obviously, his PR company did one hell of a job when selling their product.
    Not surprisingly though, like all advertising agencies, they exaggerated a 'little' when promoting what Jebus could deliver.
    There was no year 0. :)

    /Pedant.
    owenc wrote: »
    How do you know what colour his friggen skin is.
    Biggins wrote: »
    We don't know what he was but we do know what he wasn't by process of elimination, time-line and geographical locational birthplace.
    As such we can surmise more accurately what colour he was given his regional caucasian.
    The vast majority of historians and scientists stick to the basic tenement that he was a Galilean Jew (historical background on this alone is found in the bible in many books) and thus would have features which resemble modern-day persons of Semitic descent. This would have meant that his skin colour alone portrayed by western and most modern civilisations would be totally inaccurate via their idolised pictures, statues, glass stained windows and even mass cards, etc.

    The Middle East was crossing point of cultures and races which leads to further attenuation that Jesus more so should have been African or Arabian, even partly mixed, if not more so. The Near East was the primary means of access for traders and travelers seeking to access Africa via the adjoining Levant. Hence, the bordering Roman provinces of Judea and Galilee (Jesus' home region) multiple waves of immigrants passing through those primarily Semitic lands. As such, it is conceivable that Jesus' lineage could have borne traces of Arab, Aramean, Berber, Roman, Greek, Black African, Persian or Indian ancestry.

    Had he been any one of these or a mixture, yet again there is no way he could have been the current image that is propagandised by current white only thinkers. His facial bone structure alone would have been indicative of the Levant era, Judea and Galilee region alone. Further taking into account the geographic region, the religious persuasion of his family and their faith's tendency to stay within their own kind, and their ability or lack there of to travel great distances due to known family job description and monetary concerns, that also absolutely limits the rare likelihood of further western caucasian DNA and pale/white/skin tones being introduced.

    Again, we don't know exactly what he was but we can be nearly sure given the above reasons and many more, what he wasn't - and thats the image you probably see all around you in western civilisation.

    Owen, I'll sum that up for you. Dude was from the Middle East. What colour skin do you think he had?


    Whether he existed or not, the largest religion on the planet is based around him. I don't think it really matters if he did exist or not. However, I do believe that he did, but not that he was the son of God, because God does not exist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Terry wrote: »
    because God does not exist.

    Prove it :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    In any case, I would believe he start preaching and giving the Gospel, and I do believe he had some closer followers. I also believe that most were unhappy with him - so he was crucified. As a result the story spread and the Gospel was written. I do believe however that when the Bible was written it was with a more extravagant and perhaps rose tinted view then actually happened - and people wanted to desperately believe the stories they'd heard of this man without having factual evidence or access to a computer

    Why are all of the accounts we have from both historians (who weren't believers) during the first century, and the New Testament accounts both in contradiction with this then? (And in harmony for the most part with each other)


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