Jesus Christ

The Pontiac

Did this man even exist? He's the most famous man on the planet, even after 2,000 years. Even more famous than Bob Dylan or Elvis (not trying to be funny)..

I believe he existed; but don't believe he was/is the son of God and all that. But, if you think he was, then cool!

So who was this guy?

Seriously, the evidence suggests that he really did exist. But who was he?

I'd consider myself as agnostic - but am still interested to know who was this man Jesus?

Even from a non-religious aspect, who was this man Jesus? Do you believe he even existed?

"I am an historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history."

H.C. Wells

Diabhal Beag

I believe he existed and is the son of God but it's hard to believe he walked on water and stuff in that light. A lot of it's over-exaggerated.

TanG411

I heard he signed for Man City.

genericguy

please, no more....

Killer Pigeon

Ah Jaysus, not again!

Biggins

Well if he did, every image of him has his skin colour wrong so far!

mikom

Jesus Christ......... Crucifact or crucifixion......... you decide.

mojesius

Cue 15 pages of bullsh1t for the next 2 days.

Dudess

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I believe he... is the son of God

but it's hard to believe he walked on water and stuff in that light. A lot of it's over-exaggerated.

Yeah I believe he existed - just a dude though, perhaps with some sort of neurological defect, if a decent guy.

sligopark

mojesius wrote: »

Cue 15 pages of bullsh1t for the next 2 days.

35 and a month

krudler

A guy in ancient times who just tried to get people to be nice to each other? possible, maybe probably. A guy who was sent from Krypton or something to save us then died, waited till the end of the weekend to come back, flew back to his planet then never bothered reappearing to sort out peoples misinterpretations and bickering about his message? nah.

Blessed are the cheesemakers indeed.

ElaElaElano

Acid tripping madman who went around telling people he could do magic tricks. The David Blaine of his day.

I'll be crucified for this. Moar gin. goodnight.

krudler

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah I believe he existed - just a dude though, perhaps with some sort of neurological defect, if a decent guy.

so Jesus was a mentally retarded magician, awesome.

me-skywalker

I just believe in me!!

Dudess

The original hippie, whom, ironically, far-right christian zealots would ****ing detest.

Saila

I would say, but judging by the plume of black smoke coming from your gaff I'll let it pass

krudler

Dudess wrote: »

The original hippie, whom, ironically, far-right christian zealots would ****ing detest.

Who wasnt even a Christian!

Flecktarn

Biggins wrote: »

Well if he did, every image of him has his skin colour wrong so far!

Very true, he would have looked something like this:
http://www.awitness.org/eden2004/jesus.jpg

Bonavox

Ah Jaysus, not this again.

starlit

I believe he existed but I don't believe everything about him! Such as find it hard to see that he was concieved by the virgin mary miraculously unless she had an annoymous donor!? How he possibably not have had some kind of intimate contact with a woman for those years that he lived? I wouldn't be surprised if the theory behind the da vinci code was closer to the truth? especially in the case of mary magdalene...other aspects I only half believe actually happened...I know sound biased really. I firmly believe Jesus Christ did exist regardless of what has been said in the bible!

Pauleta

He probably existed but all the magic trick stories are BS

line6

one of many claimants to the title 'saviour, son of god' at that time - got lucky when the romans picked his cult to represent the ideology they formulated to further their power

Zemuppet

i have my own theory on his so called crucifixion.

Jesus died den came back as a zombie...the 1st zombie. den to explain how the cave he was placed was opened, its very simple. Grave robbers moved the stone in front of the cave, only to find a very dead and very hungry Jesus. He ate dem, leaving nothing behind.

There the crucifixion story told in a more believable way

krudler

Zemuppet wrote: »

i have my own theory on his so called crucifixion.

Jesus died den came back as a zombie...the 1st zombie. den to explain how the cave he was placed was opened, its very simple. Grave robbers moved the stone in front of the cave, only to find a very dead and very hungry Jesus. He ate dem, leaving nothing behind.

There the crucifixion story told in a more believable way

Throw in a T-Rex and some ninjas and I'd pay to see this movie.

Brendog

who?

greenmachine88

it's so hip and edgy to be an atheist these days

I believe in the Jesus of the Bible

Zemuppet

krudler wrote: »

Throw in a T-Rex and some ninjas and I'd pay to see this movie.

how bout Michael J Fox in a time machine, comes back in time, falls in lve and sleeps with the "Virgin" Mary, fights off the ninjas den gets eaten by the T-Rex

Sounds like a shoe-in 4 best film at the Oscars

Hank_Jones

I'll let Danny Glover say it for me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q37xJtuQ24w

ElaElaElano

greenmachine88 wrote: »

it's so hip and edgy to be an atheist these days

I believe in the Jesus of the Bible

You could say it's 'hip and edgy' to be an atheist. I would say it's people enlightening themselves with common sense after generations of fearful oppression from the church.

Saila

greenmachine88 wrote: »

it's so hip and edgy to be an atheist these days

I believe in the Jesus of the Bible

:greenmachine88 wipes brow and moves eyes left and right:

Jim

I would imagine Hitler or Chairman Mao are more famous.

krudler

greenmachine88 wrote: »

it's so hip and edgy to be an atheist these days

I believe in the Jesus of the Bible

I have some magic beans you may be interested in?

Bonavox

Zemuppet wrote: »

i have my own theory on his so called crucifixion.

Jesus died den came back as a zombie...the 1st zombie. den to explain how the cave he was placed was opened, its very simple. Grave robbers moved the stone in front of the cave, only to find a very dead and very hungry Jesus. He ate dem, leaving nothing behind.

There the crucifixion story told in a more believable way

Your ideas are intriguing me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Zemuppet

Bonavox wrote: »

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Zemuppet

But seriously in all fairness, i believe jesus was a real person who did inspire millions of people to help their fellow man and do good in the world. Granted as an atheist i do not believe in god or any of the beliefs surrounding jesus as "the son god with magical powers". But i do think he is a hugely important figure in our history.

me-skywalker

Jim wrote: »

I would imagine Hitler or Chairman Mao are more famous.

The Beatles

I_AmThe_Walrus

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I believe he existed and is the son of God but it's hard to believe he walked on water and stuff in that light. A lot of it's over-exaggerated.

notsureifsrs.jpg

T-Machine180 wrote: »

I heard he signed for Man City.

lulz.

up for anything

Jesus H. Christ! :rolleyes:

Fuhrer

Dudess wrote: »

The original hippie, whom, ironically, far-right christian zealots would ****ing detest.

Aye, nothing says Free love more then those who dont believe in me burning in eternal fire.

Fuhrer

Zemuppet wrote: »

i have my own theory on his so called crucifixion.

Jesus died den came back as a zombie...the 1st zombie.

Well no, he raised Lazarus and thousands of others as well.


Resurrection from death seems rather pedestrian at the time.

Yakult

How could you not love this guy :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU

Canis Lupus

Fuhrer wrote: »

Well no, he raised Lazarus and thousands of others as well.


Resurrection from death seems rather pedestrian at the time.

Why did he do that when the point of dying is going off to heaven (fingers crossed!!!!) which is the point of it all is it not?

owenc

Biggins wrote: »

Well if he did, every image of him has his skin colour wrong so far!

How do you know what colour his friggen skin is.

I believe he existed.. Not that it matters. The story written about him has managed to help some people and cause death and suffering for others. He's one of countless preachers at th time and his story was written 300 years after his death to suit a purpose.

That's all anyone needs to know about him.. If he wasn't the biggest fad of the last two millennia, someone else would have been. All religious folk denounce all other religions as if there's is the one true belief. It's laughable. I find the beliefs of south american tribes more realistic and meaningful.

MagicMarker

He wasn't the messiah, he was a very naughty boy!!

BlitzKrieg

"I am an historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history."

I'd find it hard from a historians perspective to put so much weight behind the figure and not the cult (not a stab at christianity just a term) that persisted around him. There are countless 'figures' in history that are generally presented as individual forces of nature but the historians perspective would be to the dismantel the myth of the figure and reveal the cult that brought him or her to the fore, As ads by google said, the more intersting stuff is how his name and words were used in the 300 years after his death, the actual events of his life are meaningless and can easily be questioned while there is much more recorded events of the movements and intentions of early christians and it is much more interesting from a historian's perspective.

Beruthiel

He probably did exist and was one of the best politicians ever to hit the streets back in the year 0AD.
The best damn democrat to run against the Roman conservatives if you will.
Obviously, his PR company did one hell of a job when selling their product.
Not surprisingly though, like all advertising agencies, they exaggerated a 'little' when promoting what Jebus could deliver.

Zemuppet

Zemuppet wrote: »

Jesus died den came back as a zombie

Who's den?

Biggins

owenc wrote: »

How do you know what colour his friggen skin is.

We don't know what he was but we do know what he wasn't by process of elimination, time-line and geographical locational birthplace.
As such we can surmise more accurately what colour he was given his regional caucasian.
The vast majority of historians and scientists stick to the basic tenement that he was a Galilean Jew (historical background on this alone is found in the bible in many books) and thus would have features which resemble modern-day persons of Semitic descent. This would have meant that his skin colour alone portrayed by western and most modern civilisations would be totally inaccurate via their idolised pictures, statues, glass stained windows and even mass cards, etc.

The Middle East was crossing point of cultures and races which leads to further attenuation that Jesus more so should have been African or Arabian, even partly mixed, if not more so. The Near East was the primary means of access for traders and travelers seeking to access Africa via the adjoining Levant. Hence, the bordering Roman provinces of Judea and Galilee (Jesus' home region) multiple waves of immigrants passing through those primarily Semitic lands. As such, it is conceivable that Jesus' lineage could have borne traces of Arab, Aramean, Berber, Roman, Greek, Black African, Persian or Indian ancestry.

Had he been any one of these or a mixture, yet again there is no way he could have been the current image that is propagandised by current white only thinkers. His facial bone structure alone would have been indicative of the Levant era, Judea and Galilee region alone. Further taking into account the geographic region, the religious persuasion of his family and their faith's tendency to stay within their own kind, and their ability or lack there of to travel great distances due to known family job description and monetary concerns, that also absolutely limits the rare likelihood of further western caucasian DNA and pale/white/skin tones being introduced.

Again, we don't know exactly what he was but we can be nearly sure given the above reasons and many more, what he wasn't - and thats the image you probably see all around you in western civilisation.

philologos

Surprisingly (:)) I believe that Jesus is who He was described as in the Biblical text (both Old and New Testament) and that these accounts are accurate and correct. As a result of this, I aim to follow Him.

I think the most important question isn't what do you believe about Jesus, but given what you do believe about Jesus how does one respond to it.

bonerm

Yeah he did. He was killed by the Jews.

/a walks away.