graffiti artist in carlow???

SV · 29-07-2010 1:54am

foggy_lad wrote: »

They operate with the same type of attitude to law and social order as those that have non-standard number plates and heavily tinted windows on their cars, they are just a massive burden on society. But hey if you enjoy seeing your town and area destroyed by these mindless vandals that's fine but spare thought for your neighbours!

You really need to open your eyes a LOT.
You're one of the most ignorant people I've come across on boards, and that's saying a lot.

Super-Rush · 29-07-2010 1:56am

I think we might all need to take a time out and cool off a bit.

Dboy85 · 30-07-2010 3:44am

Take the bitchin else where will yis ffs! The O.P's lookin for an artist not who has the moral high ground on boards. To the O.P I know someone who trained in NCAD who would most probably be glad of some commissioned work. What are you lookin to be designed?

zeds alive · 30-07-2010 10:17am

Was going to offer my services but i noticed thread was originally from 2009:D

Graffiti is a polarizing "art form" I was heavily involved from about 1980-2004 but old age and a heavy work schedule got the better of me.
I do agree with some of the posts about how unsightly it looks but the standard of graffiti in Ireland is pretty bad and in the majority cases I see its idiots writing crap like "your mum smells" which is ugly and stupid... but then again one mans rubbish is another mans art.

Art

Rubbish

zeds alive · 30-07-2010 1:11pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

wanna-be gangstas and rappa's

Your posts are great , either you're a professional troll or insanely deluded

foggy_lad · 30-07-2010 6:34pm

zeds alive wrote: »

Your posts are great , either you're a professional troll or insanely deluded

what you describe as art in your post above is only that if the owner of the property that has been defaced has agreed to having this done.

otherwise it is an illegal act of vandalism and the "artists" deserve to have the book thrown at them in court as well as being made pay for any clean-up operation or have their prison sentance lengthened if they plead inability to pay.

SV · 30-07-2010 7:17pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

what you describe as art in your post above is only that if the owner of the property that has been defaced has agreed to having this done.

here's what you do for the night, learn what 'defaced' means.
good boy.

zeds alive · 30-07-2010 7:20pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

what you describe as art in your post above is only that if the owner of the property that has been defaced has agreed to having this done.

otherwise it is an illegal act of vandalism and the "artists" deserve to have the book thrown at them in court as well as being made pay for any clean-up operation or have their prison sentance lengthened if they plead inability to pay.

Like I said one mans rubbish is another mans art. I have been caught about 8/9 times in my younger days and never recieved a conviction , I think the most was £300 fine and that was in 1993 its very rare for any graffiti artist to get jailed.

The biggest hypocrisy I have ever seen when it comes to graffiti is in England...

This is considered art and has a value and gets protected by local governments
http://www.banksy.co.uk/

While this is considered vandalism and carries a fine and possible conviction

Strange world we live in

foggy_lad · 30-07-2010 8:36pm

SV wrote: »

here's what you do for the night, learn what 'defaced' means.
good boy.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deface

1. To mar or spoil the appearance or surface of; disfigure.

http://www.rockartcreations.com/glossary.html

Deface: Spoiling the surface of an object.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/defaced

1. to spoil the appearance of; disfigure; mar
2. to make illegible by injuring the surface of

http://www.answers.com/topic/deface

1. To mar or spoil the appearance or surface of; disfigure.
2. To impair the usefulness, value, or influence of.
3. Obsolete. To obliterate; destroy.

is that enough or shall i continue? deface is to take from or destroy the appearance of a surface so a white wall or bare wall is defaced by graffitti

foggy_lad · 30-07-2010 8:38pm

zeds alive wrote: »

Like I said one mans rubbish is another mans art. I have been caught about 8/9 times in my younger days and never recieved a conviction , I think the most was £300 fine and that was in 1993 its very rare for any graffiti artist to get jailed.

The biggest hypocrisy I have ever seen when it comes to graffiti is in England...

This is considered art and has a value and gets protected by local governments
http://www.banksy.co.uk/

While this is considered vandalism and carries a fine and possible conviction

Strange world we live in

indeed it is strange but one has obviously been commissioned by the local council and the other has been done by vandals albeit relatively talented ones but who is to say if they were not high on the illegality of their actions that they would produce the same results?

Super-Rush · 30-07-2010 9:23pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deface

http://www.rockartcreations.com/glossary.html

http://www.yourdictionary.com/defaced

http://www.answers.com/topic/deface

is that enough or shall i continue? deface is to take from or destroy the appearance of a surface so a white wall or bare wall is defaced by graffitti

The property in the last two pictures has certainly been defaced but the previous three were not imo.

zeds alive · 30-07-2010 9:46pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

indeed it is strange but one has obviously been commissioned by the local council

Nope , none of the guys work is commissioned its all illegal graffiti , its just that madonna and other a-list celebrities decided his graffiti was 'art' and now he's a multi-millionaire ,local councils even remove sections of walls he has "vandalized" and put them in museums.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy

foggy_lad wrote: »

vandals

The above proves that the title "vandal" in the case of graffiti is decided by monetary value.

foggy_lad wrote: »

if they were not high on the illegality of their actions that they would produce the same results?

Of course , 99% of graffiti artists reproduce their work to scale , from notepad to whatever surface

Essien · 30-07-2010 9:58pm

A work of art is a work of art and I certainly agree with zeds alive that some of the examples given should be considered art.
However, a work of art sprayed on my property without my consent is vandalism. I don't care if Banksy, Michaelangelo and Monet all collaborated in it, if they don't have permission its vandalism.

zeds alive · 31-07-2010 9:07am

Essien wrote: »

However, a work of art sprayed on my property without my consent is vandalism. I don't care if Banksy, Michaelangelo and Monet all collaborated in it, if they don't have permission its vandalism.

Agreed , I'm not condoning vandalism , just pointing out the thin line between artist and vandal.

I blame the Romans they started it all

foggy_lad · 31-07-2010 9:12am

There may be a very thin line but it does not make vandalism acceptable. And this kind of blatant disregard for other's property usually leads to more serious laws being broken.

zeds alive · 31-07-2010 9:17am

foggy_lad wrote: »

And this kind of blatant disregard for other's property usually leads to more serious laws being broken.

Yes most graffiti artists are known to rob banks and rape nuns after putting up pictures.
Are you the kind of person who says music like hip hop causes young kinds to go out and commit crime , but then again what was Hitler listening to? By that reckoning we should be very very scared of Wagner and Beethoven fans

questioner · 02-08-2010 3:30am

banksy's stuff was (is?) frequently painted over by county councils displaying the same sort of boorish mentality some posting here share.

As long as there is art there will be philistines, to denigrate graffiti in the manner some have done is evidence of cringeworthy secularism. Do people hoenstly believe that art can only exist in mueseums? if you want to justify painting over graffiti do so because the bare wall is more aesthetically pleasing than the graffiti, but dont do it becuse "durr durr its VANDALISM". Some of the greatest works of literature were banned because of pig headed fools who believed that it wasnt right or proper for them to be published. Art is not there to be validated by us as a society or a few individuals who have declared a monopoly on public space.

As for the boy racer thing, note the "boy" part, yeah young lads drive silly cars, so what? who cares? people do silly things when there young. they'll soon grow up and start letting society dictate what car it is proper for them to drive.

edit. op, try posting in the NCAD forum, someone there should be able to help you

and by the way something isnt defaced if its made better.

kumate_champ07 · 02-08-2010 4:45am

just because someone puts up something on a wall doesnt make it art. there is good and bad 'graffiti'
if it's on a building that is not in use i dont see the problem, or if it's very well done and puts a smile on peoples faces

foggy_lad · 02-08-2010 6:09pm

is this art?

kumate_champ07 · 02-08-2010 7:05pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

is this art?

no, they are 'tags'
LA has miles of train tracks that I've seen (Amtrack) with tags along the adjacent walls, some are very intricate, others are scribbles. tho picking out which material is actual art is subjective and sometimes impossible

the tags can be done for different reasons.
boredom,
marking territory,
or making a name for yourself/gaining respect from peers in relation to where you place your tags/the dangers involved in the act

kumate_champ07 · 02-08-2010 7:18pm

In San Francisco in many areas people have embraced graffiti, alot of shops pay artisits to design their shop fronts

heres some random stuff from Upper Haight(I think) area

a bit different to Carlow!

foggy_lad · 02-08-2010 11:18pm

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

no, they are 'tags' illegal
LA has miles of train tracks that I've seen (Amtrack) with tags along the adjacent walls, some are very intricate, others are scribbles. tho picking out which material is actual art is subjective and sometimes impossible

the tags can be done for different reasons.
boredom,
marking territory,
or making a name for yourself/gaining respect from peers in relation to where you place your tags/the dangers involved in the act

all those "tags" are illegal and the scumbags that do this are destroying the towns they make their mark like animals! usually these criminals are not from the areas they deface but travel miles away to crap on someone elses property. Also Carlow is a far cry from LA or other screwed up American metropolitan areas.

questioner · 03-08-2010 1:32am

if the link road bridge had been sprayed with pieces similar in style/quality to those shown in the last set of photos would you still hold them to be vandalism/scum etc.

foggy_lad · 03-08-2010 11:34am

questioner wrote: »

if the link road bridge had been sprayed with pieces similar in style/quality to those shown in the last set of photos would you still hold them to be vandalism/scum etc.

yes if they were done without permission of the council/CIE/property owners.

the problem facing society is that many people see certain laws as not applying to them, drivers that have yellow number plates or heavily tinted side windows etc and scumbags that deface property think they are only spraying a bit of paint but they are breaking the law and the latter can require heavy duty spray washers to remove the scumbags tags/markings, when a dog marks its territory at least the rain will wash it away!

zeds alive · 03-08-2010 12:54pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

is this art?

In my opinion is ugly ****e and its something that could easily be stopped by making it a legal wall and encouraging real graffiti artists to paint on it would put an end to ugly tags , because it will never stop if people depend on the word of law to prevent people spraying on walls.

foggy_lad wrote: »

the problem facing society is that many people see certain laws as not applying to them, drivers that have yellow number plates or heavily tinted side windows etc and scumbags that deface property think they are only spraying a bit of paint but they are breaking the law and the latter can require heavy duty spray washers to remove the scumbags tags/markings, when a dog marks its territory at least the rain will wash it away!

Society as a whole has bigger problems than tinted windows and yellow number plates or graffiti , all of the above are issues that keep the joe duffy brigade and people like your self busy(walking around taking pictures of graffiti) while real issues go un-challenged.

foggy_lad · 03-08-2010 1:16pm

So what you want to see, and your answer to blatant criminality is to reward the scumbags by making their destruction legal!?! That will NEVER be the answer!

And most of societies bigger issues are caused or nurtured by lax attitudes to the law. If vandals were deal with swiftly they would not go on to the lives of petty crimes many of them do.

SV · 03-08-2010 1:20pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

So what you want to see, and your answer to blatant criminality is to reward the scumbags by making their destruction legal!?! That will NEVER be the answer!

You have to be trolling.
Either that or you're intentionally making the most retarded posts I've ever seen.

foggy_lad wrote: »

And most of societies bigger issues are caused or nurtured by lax attitudes to the law. If vandals were deal with swiftly they would not go on to the lives of petty crimes many of them do.

Statistics for that?
Or is it just another one of your brainless posts?

ShayK1 · 03-08-2010 6:41pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

usually these criminals are not from the areas they deface but travel miles away to crap on someone elses property.

Anything to back that up?

zeds alive · 03-08-2010 6:56pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

So what you want to see, and your answer to blatant criminality is to reward the scumbags by making their destruction legal!?! That will NEVER be the answer!

You don't get it , you make the wall legal to draw on and attract real artists , not gobsh1tes who spray crap on walls like the images you posted.

You replace this

With this

foggy_lad wrote: »

And most of societies bigger issues are caused or nurtured by lax attitudes to the law. If vandals were deal with swiftly they would not go on to the lives of petty crimes many of them do.

I used to put up pictures on walls with the sons of one of Leinsters most prominent barristers who them selves in turn are now barristers and also with the son of a recently retired Garda superintendent , haven't spoke to him in a while but last I heard he was working as a graphic designer in London... I myself went on to a carreer in IT(unemployed atm).
Your generalizations about young people and whats around you don't carry any weight.

foggy_lad · 04-08-2010 12:10am

I do get what ye are all saying but the fact remains that if I you or anyone else goes along and "tags" or paints the Mona Lisa on any wall without permission it is illegal and an act of vandalism. People that do this generally have little or no respect for the law.

graffiti artist in carlow???

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