If Mohammed had sex with his 9 year old wife does that make him a pedophile?

Wibbs wrote: »

Bukhari would get short shrift today in the west(and among most Muslims)

The Highwayman wrote: »

He must have been a magic man because he died when she was 18


Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Evidence that Aisha was older than nine

Muqtedar Khan argues that there are different reports within the Islamic sources about the age of Aisha at the time of marriage,[7] Maulana Muhammad Ali makes a detailed historical argument that Aisha was betrothed at nine or ten, but was fifteen at marriage,[6] while Moiz Amjad agrees with Hafiz Niaz Ahmad and Habib ur Rahman Kandhalwi and argues on the authenticity of hadith regarding Aisha's age and shows that it contradicts with other Islamic literature and puts her age at marriage as late as twenty.[3][4][5] Following arguments are given to support this conclusion.

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• Reports regarding Aisha's age were recorded during the Abbasid caliphate when Aisha's youth might be deliberately emphasized by scholars to reject Shi'a claims for the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib.[20]
• Most of the narratives regarding Aisha's age are reported only by Hisham ibn Urwa reporting on the authority of his father. All the narratives of this event have been reported through narrators from Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have shifted after living in Madinah for seventy-one years. It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to Muhammad that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said, "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq.[21] Another book on the narrators of the traditions of Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly.[22]
• Muhammad is attributed to say, "A woman must be consulted and get her permission to make the marriage valid".[23] According to another report, Aisha at the age of nine was rather more interested to play with toy-horses than to take up the responsible task of a wife.[24] The permission of an immature girl cannot be a valid authorization for marriage.
• Comparison of hadith of Aisha's age with hadith of Laylat al-Qadr, in which 1 was used for 21, 3 for 23, 5 for 25 and so on, suggest that maybe Aisha's reports were transmitted literally and 16 became 6 and 19 became 9, as it is a way of talking in Arabic language when base is already known.[4]

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• According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE[25] and then in 625 CE in the Battle of Uhud.[26] As no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties,[27][28] Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
• Ibn Hisham's recension of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least fifteen in 622 CE.[29]
• Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`im ibn `Uday's son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.[30][5](p.91)
• Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr's four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah,[31] the pre Islamic period, which is said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE when Aisha started living with Muhammad.
• Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an , was revealed, "I was a young girl".[32] The 54th Surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah.[33] According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years then her age at the time of marriage would be 16 to 23.
• According to almost all the historians, Asma bint Abu Bakr, the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha.[34][35] Asma is reported to die in the 73 AH, when she was 100 years old.[36][37] Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Migration to Medina (1 AH). If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at that time, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at the same time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

I was not aware we were in a court!

Are you suggesting ANYTHING from a book a thousand years or more old should be taken with anything but a pinch of salt? Because people of the Islamic faith put a whole lot of credence in the old Quran.

But if we were in court I'd be more happy to be in a western court than a court that came under Sharia law. A court that can sentence a teenage rape victim to death by stoning for getting pregnant and then pardon the rapist. FFS

Your 'defence' is the usual line trotted out by supporters of Islam over this point, when it suits you you will reference all the hadiths you can but when its used to show what Islam really is then 'oh its vague blah blah blah'

Islams attitude to girls and women is backward. It starts with your prophet and runs down hill from there.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war).
Thus, women captives are sometimes forced to marry their Muslim masters, regardless of the marital status of the women. That is, the masters are allowed to have sex with the enslaved human property(rape)

You can try and defend your prophet muhammad all you want in this fourm but hey when you get to install sharia law then all us non believers will convert or die. That is how it works is it not?

""O believers, do not take the Jews and the Christians as your friends and protectors, they are friends of each other. And whoever makes them a friend then he is from amongst them. Verily God does not guide the unjust people. And you will see that those (Muslims) in whose hearts is a disease run towards them saying 'We fear that a calamity may befall us.' So God will soon bring victory or a decision from Him, causing them regret on account of the thoughts they harbored in their hearts." (Quran 5:51-52)"

old_aussie wrote: »

A timeline of the life of mohammad and the beginning of islam

mohammad says "do as I say, not as I do"

The truth seems to be in the article....

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/History.htm