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    #242
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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Yeah, came across that on more than one occasion and called a stop to things.

    Ditto
    Typically the response has been that they "lose control" - if a guy used that line he'd be doing time in the Joy for rape :rolleyes:

    Maybe I'm belaboring the point but this thread seems to take it for granted that men are porn driven maniacs experimenting with women at will, whereas women are innocent little victims always on the receiving end of some sick and twisted perversion.

    Something I find particularly unrealistic.
    I remember, I was about 21 at the time being asked to "hurt" one women in the throws of passion, as it were. A combination of the heat of the moment and confusion and I just blurted out "you've put on weight". Didn't go down well.

    Thanks, thats going to keep me smiling all day now. Very funny.


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    #243
    goose2005
    Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    It's odd that the article says
    The backlash against Dines and her work is well-documented. Various pro-porn activists post accusations about her on websites, suggesting she is motivated by money, hates sex, and victimises women to support her supposed anti-male ideology.
    When just a little but above she said:
    "To think that so many men hate women to the degree that they can get aroused by such vile images is quite profound," says Dines. "Pornography is the perfect propaganda piece for patriarchy. In nothing else is their hatred of us quite as clear."


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    #244
    Dr. Zeus
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    joseph brand wrote: »
    Lol.


    Plus, before googling her, I had an image of what she might look like, and I was pretty close. Is it any surprise that it's never a pretty woman complaining about men and porn, only the fuglies. Or is it pug-fugly?
    That quote speaks volumes! So you decided in advance that this woman would be pug-ugly? So, am curious to know what you would have thought if you had found her attractive?

    What difference would that have made? Do you also google males whose opinions you disagree with and rate their looks? If a man makes a misognistic comment is he usually pug-ugly?

    It's ironic that some of this thread is alluding to the fact the porn objectifies women etc


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    #245
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    I haven't read the whole thread nor do I watch porn, but I read the article and I went to college in the US, where exposure to porn is inevitable.

    I find the article a little partial, in that, we are becoming more violent as a culture in general so why would porn be exempt from this. I can't turn in the tv without seeing an autopsy or a head being sliced off, so I would assume that porn too would also have to up its anti in terms of the sensation its audience seeks.

    Maybe men do hate women. Maybe its love/hate. Maybe its the kind of hate that comes with dependency. Who knows? But I think this aspect is a far more interesting avenue to explore than the puritanical positing of the article's subject.

    Isnt it also a case of Rome all over again? The wealthier the nation the more sensation it seeks?

    As for the influence on expectations in relationships, well life does seek to imitate art, and media does tend to 'normalise' expectations, but this is a danger in any art form, from the beauty of perfection in renaissance art to romantic film to porn. And that's the tricky part.


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    #246
    Zombrex
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    I find the article a little partial, in that, we are becoming more violent as a culture in general so why would porn be exempt from this.

    How are we becoming a more violent culture? We live in the most peaceful society in the history of the world.

    I think the biggest issue is that before everything was behind closed doors. We are becoming a much more open culture and we now see stuff that was always there but no visible all the time.

    There is nothing in porn that people were not doing 50,100, 1000 years ago.


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    #247
    Dr. Zeus
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
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    Maybe men do hate women. Maybe its love/hate. Maybe its the kind of hate that comes with dependency. Who knows? But I think this aspect is a far more interesting avenue to explore than the puritanical positing of the article's subject..

    Great post and you raise some interesting questions which I too would be interested in exploring. I am not anti-porn by any stretch but I have come to question what underlying messages are being transmitted sub-consiously or otherwise. For some on this thread those questions seem to associated with being anti-porn in some way.


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    #248
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Wicknight wrote: »
    How are we becoming a more violent culture? We live in the most peaceful society in the history of the world.

    I think the biggest issue is that before everything was behind closed doors. We are becoming a much more open culture and we now see stuff that was always there but no visible all the time.

    There is nothing in porn that people were not doing 50,100, 1000 years ago.

    Im not a criminologist and I do not have historical crime stats but you have to admit that the publics appetite for violent imagery has gotten bigger and is being fed.


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    #249
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Dr. Zeus wrote: »
    Great post and you raise some interesting questions which I too would be interested in exploring. I am not anti-porn by any stretch but I have come to question what underlying messages are being transmitted sub-consiously or otherwise. For some on this thread those questions seem to associated with being anti-porn in some way.

    People can get defensive about their hobbies.

    I think you're in trouble once an art form/genre becomes so sacrosanct it's beyond criticism.

    Of course its going to influence life, that's what art does. The example of Goethe's The Sorrowsof Young Werther is a prime example. After the book was published there was an explosion of young male suicides. It's just plain stupid to underestimate the human capacity for mimicry. But that is not Goethe's fault is it? Or is it?

    To me, this is not the interesting part of the debate. Its a question done to death and gets nowhere.

    What is interesting to me is what necessity does porn plug into? What role does degradation have? Why have we pushed it outof our sanitised lives into a corner, which is ever widening, and slowly moving out of the corner to take up the whole room.

    Are we just bored looking for more and more stimulation, growing more and more desensitited?

    How do you compete in a world where there are live beheadings online?


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    #250
    The Corinthian
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    What is interesting to me is what necessity does porn plug into? What role does degradation have? Why have we pushed it outof our sanitised lives into a corner, which is ever widening, and slowly moving out of the corner to take up the whole room.
    Are you essentially suggesting that porn imitates life (or more correctly is adhering to a demand) rather than the other way around?


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    Wicknight wrote: »
    How are we becoming a more violent culture? We live in the most peaceful society in the history of the world.

    I think the biggest issue is that before everything was behind closed doors. We are becoming a much more open culture and we now see stuff that was always there but no visible all the time.

    There is nothing in porn that people were not doing 50,100, 1000 years ago.

    Actually, I think we were a very open society and now were reverting back to the closed society setup. Regulations, and other restrictions seem to be the norm now with just about everything coming under scrutiny. There also seems to be a lot less tolerance towards ideas and practices compared with ten years ago.


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    #252
    metrovelvet
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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Are you essentially suggesting that porn imitates life (or more correctly is adhering to a demand) rather than the other way around?

    I'm not asserting anything. I'm positing a possibility that porn producers, writers,etc are picking up with their watering forks, a demand which has not yet risen to the surface, which not only satisfies a desire but also creates one in that its satisfaction, by desensitizes nature

    In other words, if there is a demand for violence and degradation in mainstream entertainment (rte has three hours of csi sometimes) then why wouldn't this bleed (excuse the language) into increasing the expectations in other genres.

    But I am asking more than asserting.


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    #253
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Are we just bored looking for more and more stimulation, growing more and more desensitited?

    Pretty much. At least for me, I left Europe and went to live in Asia as a way of getting away from the "norm". Other people I know found other releases such as the net, or something else. Since I've come back I've found myself once more sucked back into spending hours on the net simply because I'm bored with western society. Boredom is rife now. Too many choices, and yet so few good choices. So many little pushes from all directions sending you this way and that. Its no suprise that many people seek anything to escape from the "usual" way of things.

    Let me put it this way... I watch Sky News occasionally, and its extremely rare that any story shocks me. I'm not really that bothered when i hear of a plane crash or shooting. Or when i see the casualty reports in Iraq. I know on a conscious logical manner that such things should bother me, and yet they don't. The manner in which the media has over the last three decades presented world events has created that lack of interest in me. Sure, some of it is just my personality, but the responsibility cannot stick with just me.

    And yet porn is different. I've watched a good bit of it over the years, some for personal use, and some from a business perspective (used to work in web design). And my attitudes towards sex are not messed up. I still respect myself and others. I don't treat women bad, nor do I have any interest in mixing pain & pleasure. I also have no interest in "extreme" sex, either participating nor observing. Porn doesn't have any central source so it doesn't seem to affect me the same way as the media seems to have done.

    Strange isn't it?


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    #254
    metrovelvet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Actually, I think we were a very open society and now were reverting back to the closed society setup. Regulations, and other restrictions seem to be the norm now with just about everything coming under scrutiny. There also seems to be a lot less tolerance towards ideas and practices compared with ten years ago.

    Maybe that's a clue as to why we are demanding more morbidity and violence in our media. We have to hang it somewhere. A lashing out?

    Then you have to ask, if what the article cites is true about porn and its exposure and the more unsavory,or less pink and fluffy parts of it becoming more popular, then what does this indicate?

    Does it indicate that men hate women or that they are lashing out and if so why? Is it part of a global masculinity crisis?


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    #255
    The Corinthian
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    I'm not asserting anything.
    I didn't say you were, I asked if you were suggesting.
    I'm positing a possibility that porn producers, writers,etc are picking up with their watering forks, a demand which has not yet risen to the surface, which not only satisfies a desire but also creates one in that its satisfaction, by desensitizes nature

    In other words, if there is a demand for violence and degradation in mainstream entertainment (rte has three hours of csi sometimes) then why wouldn't this bleed (excuse the language) into increasing the expectations in other genres.
    There's possibly some truth in that. I do believe that porn does have an effect on society (whether this is on balance positive or negative is open to debate), but that - as with any business - society has an effect on porn, in the shape of market demand.

    So what you are suggesting/asking is perfectly plausible.
    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Maybe that's a clue as to why we are demanding more morbidity and violence in our media. We have to hang it somewhere. A lashing out?
    Are we demanding more morbidity and violence in our media though? Morbidity and violence in media, popular entertainment or society in general is nothing new, as the Romans would attest, and the last century has seen many forms of pre-existing morbidity and violence, such as blood sports or even war, being phased out, only to be replaced with new forms.

    So maybe it's not increasing. Maybe it was always there and is simply finding new outlets as the old ones are closed off.
    Does it indicate that men hate women or that they are lashing out and if so why? Is it part of a global masculinity crisis?
    This is where your logic takes a bit of a giant leap. While it is reasonable to suggest that society is effecting porn with a greater demand for morbidity and violence and even arguable that this demand has overall increased within society, you've taken a huge speculative leap to imply that it is down to some form of misogynistic backlash.

    Before you can suggest that you realistically need to create a more cogent link between them.


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    #256
    metrovelvet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Pretty much. At least for me, I left Europe and went to live in Asia as a way of getting away from the "norm". Other people I know found other releases such as the net, or something else. Since I've come back I've found myself once more sucked back into spending hours on the net simply because I'm bored with western society. Boredom is rife now. Too many choices, and yet so few good choices. So many little pushes from all directions sending you this way and that. Its no suprise that many people seek anything to escape from the "usual" way of things.

    Let me put it this way... I watch Sky News occasionally, and its extremely rare that any story shocks me. I'm not really that bothered when i hear of a plane crash or shooting. Or when i see the casualty reports in Iraq. I know on a conscious logical manner that such things should bother me, and yet they don't. The manner in which the media has over the last three decades presented world events has created that lack of interest in me. Sure, some of it is just my personality, but the responsibility cannot stick with just me.

    And yet porn is different. I've watched a good bit of it over the years, some for personal use, and some from a business perspective (used to work in web design). And my attitudes towards sex are not messed up. I still respect myself and others. I don't treat women bad, nor do I have any interest in mixing pain & pleasure. I also have no interest in "extreme" sex, either participating nor observing. Porn doesn't have any central source so it doesn't seem to affect me the same way as the media seems to have done.

    Strange isn't it?

    Ok but that's you.

    Maybe you're not paying 2000 a month for kids you never see.

    Maybe you're not a white working class disenfranchised male who got overlooked in the political climates.

    Maybe you dont have an overbearing mother who suffocated you.

    Maybe your not a sexually frustrated husband dependant on one woman for sex and affection.

    Maybe your not a man who feels emasculated by having to share housework and change nappies.

    Maybe you're not one of those guys who is pissed off and disenfranchised.


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    #257
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    I didn't say you were, I asked if you were suggesting.

    There's possibly some truth in that. I do believe that porn does have an effect on society (whether this is on balance positive or negative is open to debate), but that - as with any business - society has an effect on porn, in the shape of market demand.

    So what you are suggesting/asking is perfectly plausible.

    Are we demanding more morbidity and violence in our media though? Morbidity and violence in media, popular entertainment or society in general is nothing new, as the Romans would attest, and the last century has seen many forms of pre-existing morbidity and violence, such as blood sports or even war, being phased out, only to be replaced with new forms.

    So maybe it's not increasing. Maybe it was always there and is simply finding new outlets as the old ones are closed off.

    This is where your logic takes a bit of a giant leap. While it is reasonable to suggest that society is effecting porn with a greater demand for morbidity and violence and even arguable that this demand has overall increased within society, you've taken a huge speculative leap to imply that it is down to some form of misogynistic backlash.

    Before you can suggest that you realistically need to create a more cogent link between them.


    I did suggest a comparison to Rome, wealth and an increased need for sensation.

    I do think in the porn the article refers to, there is misogyny.

    But I dont think that's a reason to dismiss it. It's a reason to investigate it.


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    #258
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Maybe that's a clue as to why we are demanding more morbidity and violence in our media. We have to hang it somewhere. A lashing out?

    I don't think we are asking for more morbidity and violence in our media... We all acknowledge that the Media seeks to thrill its watchers in some way to maintain its viewing ratings. The US has made itself the worst example of this, where watching the news is almost like watching some reality show. How much of that is the company itself pushing it on the public and how much is the audience asking for more, i don't know. But i would suggest that it was the media outlets that set the ball rolling, and now they're just seeking to maintain the momentum.
    Then you have to ask, if what the article cites is true about porn and its exposure and the more unsavory,or less pink and fluffy parts of it becoming more popular, then what does this indicate?

    Just that there are more people switching on to it. Its easy to forget that the makeup of ages in populations of countries is changing. My parents, for example, have figured out email but ask them to use google to find a hotel, and they'll be at it for an hour, whereas we could do it in 2 minutes.

    And then there's the "newer" generations since I was born who are becoming more technologically aware than I ever was, and I'm fairly clued in on most things related to the net. And yet they bring that awareness to new levels. And with that awareness comes the ability to find just about anything thats available. and with the net completely open to scrutiny, its natural that people will get bored easily with the common material and seek the more shocking stuff (at least for a while, until they get bored with that too).
    Does it indicate that men hate women or that they are lashing out and if so why? Is it part of a global masculinity crisis?

    I still have no belief that this is anything solely related to men. Women watch porn. I've had ex-girlfriends that had larger collections of porn than I'd seen in my friends places.. (my own collection is rather small)... From my own personal experience, my encounters have introduced different positions/actions by the women rather than me searching for them. And it goes on.

    Personally, I think its a cop out. A way of throwing off responsibility. Its easier to point the finger at men, and say they're to blame rather than looking at both sexes and acknowledging the responsibilities & choices made by both sexes. The article is just another aspect of the extreme feminism where they seek any way to demean men. Porn is just another weapon.

    That's my take on it anyway.


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    #259
    The Corinthian
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    I do think in the porn the article refers to, there is misogyny.
    I don't know if you could go that far. Misogyny would imply that it is specifically directed against women and the only reason it is in such porn is because it is geared towards the heterosexual market. Look to the gay market and you will likely find the same thing - and there's it's unlikely to have anything to do with misogyny.

    So I simply don't think you've made a plausible enough connection between the two.
    But I dont think that's a reason to dismiss it. It's a reason to investigate it.
    Fair enough, but that's a lot of porn to watch then.


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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Ok but that's you.

    Maybe you're not paying 2000 a month for kids you never see.

    Maybe you're not a white working class disenfranchised male who got overlooked in the political climates.

    Maybe you dont have an overbearing mother who suffocated you.

    Maybe your not a sexually frustrated husband dependant on one woman for sex and affection.

    Maybe your not a man who feels emasculated by having to share housework and change nappies.

    Maybe you're not one of those guys who is pissed off and disenfranchised.

    Woe, I guess I should have put all the "I"'s and "I've" and such in bold to highlight that this was my experience(s). For God's sake. :rolleyes:


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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Fair enough, but that's a lot of porn to watch then.

    He/She better be careful... with that much porn you might come out foaming at the mouth and hating everything about women. :D


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    Zombrex
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Im not a criminologist and I do not have historical crime stats but you have to admit that the publics appetite for violent imagery has gotten bigger and is being fed.

    I do? Why do I have to admit that?

    Again the only thing I can see has changed is that we are more open about it.

    You think people were having rough sex, or jizzing on each other's faces in the 1950s?


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    #263
    AngryBadger
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Ok but that's you.
    Maybe you're not paying 2000 a month for kids you never see.
    Maybe you're not a white working class disenfranchised male who got overlooked in the political climates.
    Maybe you dont have an overbearing mother who suffocated you.
    Maybe your not a sexually frustrated husband dependant on one woman for sex and affection.
    Maybe your not a man who feels emasculated by having to share housework and change nappies.
    Maybe you're not one of those guys who is pissed off and disenfranchised.

    What is your point here? Nobody is denying that there are people in the world who do bad things, that there are men who disabuse women, and women who disabuse men. In all of your posts you "posit" nothing of substance, speculation that this, that, and the other thing may possibly be happening is not the same as it being a fact, and this kind of thinking is damaging in the extremes to everybodys civil liberties.

    Answer me this, you feel that porn is misogynistic, surely a simple way of redressing this imbalance would be women not being involved in porn? Now I realise the obvious response is "oh well when women are abused blah blah blah of course they're going to get into porn", so why aren't you arguing for measures to address the problems leading to this (frankly phantom) phenomenon of only abused women getting into porn?

    Any kind of media is both a reflection, and a refraction of what people want, and think they want. Yes the media does report things in a very biased way, but that only matters if people lack the brain cells to seperate the fact from the fiction, (eg. by maybe getting their information from more than one source). Citing shows like "CSI" as an example of people becoeming desensitised to violence is annoying to me for 2 reasons

    1) Increased violence in these shows can jsut as easily be defended as adding realism to proceedings

    2) There is an irrefutable, and fundamental problem with any individual who cannot make the distinction between something they see in the media, and what happens in the real world. Surely the solution is not censoring all and sundry (and thus punishing healthy, balanced individuals who have the right to pursue their own tastes so long as they're not infringing on anyone else).

    I apologise for coming off heavy-handed here, but this thread (and many like it), reeks of the standard "all porn is bad and men are responsible" dross that typifies any discussion of gender issues.

    Honestly I can't even understand why porn seems to fall under the category of gender issues, surely it's a question of taste as any right-thinking adult should be able to make the necessary distinctions????


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    Zombrex
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    AngryBadger wrote: »
    I apologise for coming off heavy-handed here, but this thread (and many like it), reeks of the standard "all porn is bad and men are responsible" dross that typifies any discussion of gender issues.

    Didn't you get the memo, everything bad that happens to women is the fault of men :D


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    AngryBadger
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Didn't you get the memo, everything bad that happens to women is the fault of men :D

    I think I was coming up with new ways to express my misogynistic views on women through porn and pass it off as art that day :rolleyes:


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    metrovelvet
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    Ok. I was trying to open up thd dialogue, that's all.

    Nevermind.

    Enjoy your porn. Happy friday.


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    Dr. Zeus
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    Extract from Guardian article. Note the male porn star explaining his reason for entering the profession. Of course this is one person but why is it so hard to admit that there may be some element of misogny underlying porn! Please note I did not say all porn!

    "Men, say psychologists, also feel threatened by the "emotional power" they perceive women wielding over them. Unable to feel alive except when in relationships with women, they are at the same time painfully aware that their only salvation from isolation comes in being sexually acceptable to women. This sense of neediness can provoke intense anger that, all too often, finds expression in porn. Unlike real life, the pornographic world is a place in which men find their authority unchallenged and in which women are their willing, even grateful servants. "The illusion is created," as one male writer on pornography puts it, "that women are really in their rightful place and that there is, after all, no real and serious challenge to male authority."

    Seen in this light, the patently ridiculous pornography scenario of the pretty female flat-hunter (or hitch-hiker, driver with broken-down car, or any number of similar such vulnerable roles) who is happy to let herself be gang-banged by a group of overweight, hairy-shouldered couch potatoes makes perfect psychological sense.

    The porn industry, of course, dismisses such talk, yet occasionally comes a glimmer of authenticity. Bill Margold, one of the industry's longest-serving film performers, was interviewed in 1991 by psychoanalyst Robert Stoller for his book Porn: Myths For The Twentieth Century. Margold made no attempt to gloss over the realities. "My whole reason for being in this industry is to satisfy the desire of the men in the world who basically don't care much for women and want to see the men in my industry getting even with the women they couldn't have when they were growing up. So we come on a woman's face or brutalise her sexually: we're getting even for lost dreams."


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    #268
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    AngryBadger wrote: »
    What is your point here? Nobody is denying that there are people in the world who do bad things, that there are men who disabuse women, and women who disabuse men. In all of your posts you "posit" nothing of substance, speculation that this, that, and the other thing may possibly be happening is not the same as it being a fact, and this kind of thinking is damaging in the extremes to everybodys civil liberties.

    Answer me this, you feel that porn is misogynistic, surely a simple way of redressing this imbalance would be women not being involved in porn? Now I realise the obvious response is "oh well when women are abused blah blah blah of course they're going to get into porn", so why aren't you arguing for measures to address the problems leading to this (frankly phantom) phenomenon of only abused women getting into porn?

    Any kind of media is both a reflection, and a refraction of what people want, and think they want. Yes the media does report things in a very biased way, but that only matters if people lack the brain cells to seperate the fact from the fiction, (eg. by maybe getting their information from more than one source). Citing shows like "CSI" as an example of people becoeming desensitised to violence is annoying to me for 2 reasons

    1) Increased violence in these shows can jsut as easily be defended as adding realism to proceedings

    2) There is an irrefutable, and fundamental problem with any individual who cannot make the distinction between something they see in the media, and what happens in the real world. Surely the solution is not censoring all and sundry (and thus punishing healthy, balanced individuals who have the right to pursue their own tastes so long as they're not infringing on anyone else).

    I apologise for coming off heavy-handed here, but this thread (and many like it), reeks of the standard "all porn is bad and men are responsible" dross that typifies any discussion of gender issues.

    Honestly I can't even understand why porn seems to fall under the category of gender issues, surely it's a question of taste as any right-thinking adult should be able to make the necessary distinctions????

    First of all, let me disabuse you. Disabuse means to clarify, dispel confusion. So yes, men disabuse women, women disabuse men, but what's that got to do with the price of tea in China?

    Secondly, I really don't think you have a clue about what I'm talking about. I'm not even talking about porn, i'm talking about an article that is about a woman who is criticizing then influence of porn and what she sees as an ever increasing mysogynistic content.

    The rest of your post is such uneducated drivel it's not worth taking the time to re read let alone comment on.


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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    The rest of your post is such uneducated drivel it's not worth taking the time to re read let alone comment on.

    metrovelvet, personally I think he made more sense in that one post than all of your ramblings thus far... :rolleyes:


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    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    I don't know if you could go that far. Misogyny would imply that it is specifically directed against women and the only reason it is in such porn is because it is geared towards the heterosexual market. Look to the gay market and you will likely find the same thing - and there's it's unlikely to have anything to do with misogyny.

    So I simply don't think you've made a plausible enough connection between the two.

    Fair enough, but that's a lot of porn to watch then.

    I said in the porn the article refers to, not porn in general. This is a point in the article that seems to escape all of you.

    Someone start a thread please on how people don't know how to read anymore.



    Misogyny doesn't imply its 'directed against women'. What makes you say that? Misogyny means a hatred of women.


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    Eve_Dublin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    There was an article in the The Guardian today (thank feck for The Guardian!) that I don´t think is completely unrelated. Give it a read. It touches on the pornification of our society and the rise in casual misogynistic language directed at women. Read the comments as well if you have time:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/30/casual-sexism-misogyny


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