If Mohammed had sex with his 9 year old wife does that make him a pedophile?

The Highwayman · 31-07-2010 04:47AM #1

Times change as they say but a 53 year old man and a 9 year old girl can't be right in any era can it?

x PyRo · 31-07-2010 04:50AM

The Highwayman wrote: »

can't be right in any era can it?

It sure can.
I joke obviously!

starbelgrade · 31-07-2010 04:50AM

Yes / no / maybe *

* = delete as appropriate.

M5 · 31-07-2010 05:00AM

Its right era

ldxo15wus6fpgm · 31-07-2010 05:02AM

inb4 mob of angry muslims demanding boards take this thread down.

OT: Definitely not right. You'd want her to at least be 11 ffs :rolleyes:

Rabies · 31-07-2010 05:06AM

it makes her one of the youngest gold diggers ever

Havermeyer · 31-07-2010 05:51AM

If he existed he'd be considered a pedo.

But given the fact he doesn't (in my opinion), then no. He's just a made up pedophile. Just like pedobear, who also can't be one because he's a cartoon.

I'd draw a diagram to show how it would be impossible for Mo' to be a pedophile, but I thought I'd pass. My Danish artist friend advised me not to, as he thought it would annoy some beardy muppet, who also enjoys intimacy with goats (allegedly), that lives in a cave many miles to the east of here.

FearDark · 31-07-2010 05:52AM

Isnt Saudi Arabia the place where they behead you for being a homosexual and chop your hand off for stealing?

Chop his díck off.

skelliser · 31-07-2010 06:08AM

nummnutts wrote: »

If he existed he'd be considered a pedo.

But given the fact he doesn't (in my opinion), then no. He's just a made up pedophile. Just like pedobear, who also can't be one because he's a cartoon.

Actually there is quite alot of evidence that suggests he did exist.

FearDark · 31-07-2010 06:10AM

Obligitory durka durka mohammed jihad.

d.anthony · 31-07-2010 06:17AM

FearDark wrote: »

Obligitory durka durka mohammed jihad.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Durka durka durka

scientific1982 · 31-07-2010 07:26AM

nummnutts wrote: »

If he existed he'd be considered a pedo.

But given the fact he doesn't (in my opinion), then no. He's just a made up pedophile. Just like pedobear, who also can't be one because he's a cartoon.

I'd draw a diagram to show how it would be impossible for Mo' to be a pedophile, but I thought I'd pass. My Danish artist friend advised me not to, as he thought it would annoy some beardy muppet, who also enjoys intimacy with goats (allegedly), that lives in a cave many miles to the east of here.

Mohammed is actually a historical figure. He was also a pedo.

zuroph · 31-07-2010 07:33AM

maybe thats why we're not allowed draw pictures of him, in case the cops identify him.

Absurdum · 31-07-2010 07:41AM

good boxer but ffs 9????

old_aussie · 31-07-2010 08:03AM

Looks like all here(AH) are trying to force western values on islamic countries.
Beware that a jihad will be launched against all and sundry.

In islam it's seems likw it's the thing to do......

The sad case of Elham Assi, a 13-year old Yemeni girl who died from internal hemorrhaging after being raped by her 23-year-old husband, has certainly sparked conversation in Yemen over the longstanding practice of child marriage. But the conversations -- taking place everywhere from Sanaa kitchens to the parliament building -- aren't exactly what you'd expect.

Instead of addressing the question of children's rights in a country where a quarter of all girls are married before they're 15 and half before they're 18, some Yemenis are treating Elham Assi's death as a rallying point against the so-called imposition of a Western agenda. Instead of catalyzing protective legislation for children in Yemen, as the tragic 1911 Triangle Factory fire did for industrial laborers in the United States, her death may actually make it more likely that others will share her fate.

More...

In February 2009, parliament approved a bill to raise the marriage age to 18 years old, causing an immediate furor in the Islamist community, which denounced the legislation as un-Islamic. The September 2009 death of a 12-year-old-girl in childbirth once again drove home the importance of this issue. However, the bill has since languished while a parliamentary subcommittee decides whether or not it's in accordance with sharia law. The subcommittee's decision is scheduled for May.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/30/yemens_child_bride_backlash

Terry · 31-07-2010 08:06AM

old_aussie wrote: »

Looks like all here(AH) are trying to force western values on islamic countries.
Beware that a jihad will be launched against all and sundry.

In islam it's seems likw it's the thing to do......

The sad case of Elham Assi, a 13-year old Yemeni girl who died from internal hemorrhaging after being raped by her 23-year-old husband, has certainly sparked conversation in Yemen over the longstanding practice of child marriage. But the conversations -- taking place everywhere from Sanaa kitchens to the parliament building -- aren't exactly what you'd expect.

Instead of addressing the question of children's rights in a country where a quarter of all girls are married before they're 15 and half before they're 18, some Yemenis are treating Elham Assi's death as a rallying point against the so-called imposition of a Western agenda. Instead of catalyzing protective legislation for children in Yemen, as the tragic 1911 Triangle Factory fire did for industrial laborers in the United States, her death may actually make it more likely that others will share her fate.

More...

In February 2009, parliament approved a bill to raise the marriage age to 18 years old, causing an immediate furor in the Islamist community, which denounced the legislation as un-Islamic. The September 2009 death of a 12-year-old-girl in childbirth once again drove home the importance of this issue. However, the bill has since languished while a parliamentary subcommittee decides whether or not it's in accordance with sharia law. The subcommittee's decision is scheduled for May.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/30/yemens_child_bride_backlash

Wow. Legal paedophilia.

PirateShampoo · 31-07-2010 08:11AM

Terry wrote: »

Wow. Legal paedophilia.

Yes its the Holy Grail of Pedophilia.

Its the cup Mohamed gave his first Roofie from.

Strange Loop · 31-07-2010 08:26AM

The claim that she was 9 when the marriage was consumated came from a book written some 250 years after the fact, and all subsequent claims came from this.

Modern historians using a method of aging people according to other events that occured around the same time have determined she was 10 years older, aged 19, when she and Mohammed had sex.

So, the fact is there are no facts. Do you believe the guy 250 years after the marriage or do you believe the modern-day historians? (or will you take the agnostic position)

I suspect peoples personal feelings towards Muslims (or child brides) will help determine which 'fact' they choose to believe.

Terry · 31-07-2010 08:28AM

Strange Loop wrote: »

The claim that she was 9 when the marriage was consumated came from a book written some 250 years after the fact, and all subsequent claims came from this.

Modern historians using a method of aging people according to other events that occured around the same time have determined she was 10 years older, aged 19, when she and Mohammed had sex.

So, the fact is there are no facts. Do you believe the guy 250 years after the marriage or do you believe the modern-day historians? (or will you take the agnostic position)

I suspect peoples personal feelings towards Muslims will help determine which 'fact' they choose to believe.

Well if you're going to put it that way, I'd tend to believe that the Yemeni (that's the plural, right?) want to believe he was a paedo. I'm basing this on their reaction to proposed sensible laws.

Strange Loop · 31-07-2010 08:33AM

Terry wrote: »

Well if you're going to put it that way, I'd tend to believe that the Yemeni (that's the plural, right?) want to believe he was a paedo. I'm basing this on their reaction to proposed sensible laws.

It suits their cultural practices to do so, so yes, they seem to believe it.

Terry · 31-07-2010 08:34AM

Strange Loop wrote: »

It suits their cultural practices to do so, so yes, they seem to believe it.

Still doesn't make it right though.

Strange Loop · 31-07-2010 08:40AM

Terry wrote: »

Still doesn't make it right though.

I never suggested it did.

Wibbs · 31-07-2010 08:57AM

skelliser wrote: »

Actually there is quite alot of evidence that suggests he did exist.

scientific1982 wrote: »

Mohammed is actually a historical figure.

Funny enough not really. Though it seems its more accepted, almost a given that he was a real life figure than say Jesus or Moses, the actual evidence is pretty slim. The entire body of evidence comes from Muslim sources. There are no, zero, nada outside historical sources that reference him in his lifetime. You have to wait 100 years before that happens and in that a Greek describes him as a general. No mention of his religious mission at all. Now consider he was supposed to have dealt with the Greeks/Byzantines officially, yet none of their pretty extensive records mention him. They do mention an Arabic war alright, but that's about it. Even the Islamic sources that do exist are later. The earliest Islamic writings don't mention him. The coinage of the time don't mention him. The dome of the rock inscriptions which are the earliest Quranic inscriptions don't mention him. The Gospel origins are a little earlier in timeline and you often read that a fair few consider Jesus to be a non historical figure. The historicity of Mohammed is equally untrustworthy.

Strange Loop wrote: »

The claim that she was 9 when the marriage was consumated came from a book written some 250 years after the fact, and all subsequent claims came from this.

True, but even so that culture clearly saw no issue with the notion of their most revered figure marrying 9 year olds.

Modern historians using a method of aging people according to other events that occured around the same time have determined she was 10 years older, aged 19, when she and Mohammed had sex.

Islamic "historians" extrapolating from Islamic sources, as they're the only ones to go on. Again I look on it this way as this is all we can be sure of: The Muslim/Arabic culture 250 years after the events were supposed to have happened thought that 9 year olds marrying 50 odd year olds was acceptable.

So, the fact is there are no facts. Do you believe the guy 250 years after the marriage or do you believe the modern-day historians? (or will you take the agnostic position)

Well the modern types have their own agenda too of course.

R0ot · 31-07-2010 09:00AM

nummnutts wrote: »

If he existed he'd be considered a pedo.

But given the fact he doesn't (in my opinion), then no. He's just a made up pedophile. Just like pedobear, who also can't be one because he's a cartoon.

The greatest trick the Pedobear ever pulled (besides yore ma :pac: ) was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

Strange Loop · 31-07-2010 09:05AM

Wibbs wrote: »

True, but even so that culture clearly saw no issue with the notion of their most revered figure marrying 9 year olds.

The Yemenis, you mean?

The Muslim/Arabic culture 250 years after the events were supposed to have happened thought that 9 year olds marrying 50 odd year olds was acceptable.

The OP asked a question about Mohammad only, which I answered as best I could.

Well the modern types have their own agenda too of course.

Then so too, perhaps, Bukhari, the guy who first claimed the girl was 9.

orourkeda · 31-07-2010 09:06AM

FearDark wrote: »

Obligitory durka durka mohammed jihad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G07szNm_5Jk

Wibbs · 31-07-2010 09:13AM

Strange Loop wrote: »

The Yemenis, you mean?

No I mean the culture that first wrote this down and subsequent cultures that implemented the practice. Hey in europe we were marrying off children too, so it wasnt just them.

The OP asked a question about Mohammad only, which I answered as best I could.

Oh yes I was just bringing more context into it.

Then so too, perhaps, Bukhari, the guy who first claimed the girl was 9.

Quite possibly, though the culture that recieves the info/instruction would take or leave it depending on their cultural attitudes. Bukhari would get short shrift today in the west(and among most Muslims), but clearly didnt at the time in the early Islamic culture.