The Bertie Ahern defense, now used by Ireland's top criminals

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Glad you're amused, now get back to the ironing.

caseyann wrote: »

I think with your woman gossiping and tantrums it should you doing the ironing or wait diaper change:P

Gilligan Bertie,all same stammering shifty thieves,and both pretend to be business men.:rolleyes:

caseyann wrote: »

No one said he didnt get greedy,he didnt run the country into the ground though did he?

caseyann wrote: »

I think obviously it was copied and pasted from somewhere:rolleyes: didnt say it wasnt.
He isnt buring in hell for taking money off rich people nor did he wreck the country for his own ends.

The subsequent Moriarty Tribunal delved further into Haughey's financial dealings. In his main report[32] on Charles Haughey released on 19 December 2006, Mr. Justice Moriarty made the following findings:

• Haughey was paid more than IR£8 million between 1979 and 1986 from various benefactors and businessmen, including £1.3 million from the Dunnes Stores supermarket tycoon Ben Dunne alone.[26] The tribunal described these payments as "unethical".[33]
• In May 1989 one of Haughey's lifelong friends Brian Lenihan, a former government minister, underwent a liver transplant which was partly paid for through fundraising by Haughey. The Moriarty tribunal found that, of the £270,000 collected in donations for Brian Lenihan, no more than £70,000 ended up being spent on Lenihan's medical care. The tribunal identified one specific donation of £20,000 for Lenihan that was surreptitiously appropriated by Haughey,[34] who took steps to conceal this transaction.[35][36]
• The tribunal found evidence of favours performed in return for money — Saudi businessman Mahmoud Fustok paid Haughey £50,000 to support applications for Irish citizenship.[33]
• In other evidence of favours performed, the tribunal reported that Haughey arranged meetings between Ben Dunne and civil servant Seamus Pairceir of the Revenue Commissioners. These discussions resulted in an outstanding capital gains tax bill for Dunne being reduced by £22.8 million. Moriarty found that this was "not coincidental", and that it was a substantial benefit conferred on Dunne by Haughey's actions.[37]
• Allied Irish Banks settled a million-pound overdraft with Haughey soon after he became Taoiseach in 1979; the tribunal found that the lenience shown by the bank in this case amounted to an indirect payment by the bank to Haughey.[33]

The tribunal rejected Haughey's claims of ignorance of his own financial affairs[27] and Haughey was accused by the tribunal of "devaluing democracy".[33]

walshb wrote: »

Spot on. Gangsters and criminals have been using these excuses forever.
Bertie adopted this from them, not the other way around, and in effect, this paints Bertie in a worse light.

nobby grande wrote: »

I would like to point out to you Gunsfortoys that you brought the discussion to the childish level with your ironing "gag".

Also why does everything have to be so black and white, yes C Haughey was an excellent ambassador for Ireland, paving the way for the IFSC, spousal inheritance and higher employment, he also lived the priveleged life of a politician, while the rest of the country was told to tighten their belts. Thats politicians for you. He was not a saint but generally he will be remembered as a good Taoiseach for Ireland.

There is no need for your arrogance and sexist remarks. try and be a little more adult in your reasoning.

sidneykidney wrote: »

Has caseyann answerd the question about the lenihan found yet? Or is she still busy?