The Bertie Ahern defense, now used by Ireland's top criminals

RATM · 10-07-2010 04:44PM #1

Had to laugh at this. Bertie's defence that he won that unaccounted sterling 'on a horse' has now been used by none other than John Gilligan at the High Court yesterday.

CAB are in the process of finally seizing his properties, from here http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/gilligans-in-final-battle-to-win-back-seized-properties-2253367.html

On the Gilligan family:

Their son, Darren, a former drug addict, gave evidence that he had received a payout of €15,200 when he reached 18 as a result of a personal injuries claim.

He gave the entire sum to his father, asking him to "invest it". Some time later, his father said he had a good tip for a horse and asked did he want him to put €3,000 of his personal injuries money on it.

"I told him to keep gambling and maybe out of the winnings I could buy a house," said Mr Gilligan.

"At the end of the week he'd built up €56,000 from the original €3,000."

He went on to buy a house in Lucan which was in his and Gilligan's name. He said this was because Gilligan feared his son's drug addiction would lead him to sell the house.

"I've worked since I was 15," he said. "I used to chop logs, I was always doing something.

"Anything I had, the CAB lady has it," he said, referring to one of the CAB officers in court.

He claimed he could not remember many of the large financial transactions on his account -- or the names of the horses that won him the €56,000 -- because he was on drugs.

opinion guy · 10-07-2010 04:45PM

Thread title confuses me .....Bertie is not a criminal ?????

Edit: since all y'all seem to be suffering from a sarcasm deficiency. I mean he is a criminal so the distinction in the title between Bertie and criminals is redundant. For shame that people no longer understand sarcasm in the absence of smiley faces.

Rabies · 10-07-2010 04:50PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Thread title confuses me .....Bertie is not a criminal ?????

In the mind of an AH poster he is the spawn of Twink and Osama Bin Laden

gerrycollins · 10-07-2010 05:01PM

i think Bertie "borrowed" that excuse from John Gilligan

mikemac · 10-07-2010 05:04PM

Other way around OP!

John Gilligan was using this excuse long before Bertie ever did
No fan of Paul Williams but it's all detailed in these books

caseyann · 10-07-2010 05:05PM

Bertie would be one of our top criminals

worked for him so why not Gilligan:D

I have to go to the track now

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 05:06PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Thread title confuses me .....Bertie is not a criminal ?????

well he worked under a criminal like charles haughey so chances are he picked up a thing or two from him.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 05:09PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

well he worked under a criminal like charles haughey so chances are he picked up a thing or two from him.

Haughty was a great man.:mad: and more of a gent and decent politican then the ****s we have now.

plein de force · 10-07-2010 05:12PM

the money was just resting in his account

opinion guy · 10-07-2010 05:15PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughty was a great man.:mad: and more of a gent and decent politican then the ****s we have now.

This is the same Haughey that stole money from his friend and colleague's cancer treatment fund ?

Yeah top bloke.....:rolleyes:

Elevator · 10-07-2010 05:26PM

this is old news in the criminal world really, sure gambling has been a favourite passtime of the criminal underworld for a long long time so why not try say your illgotten gains came from a good gamble

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 05:29PM

opinion guy wrote: »

This is the same Haughey that stole money from his friend and colleague's cancer treatment fund ?

Yeah top bloke.....:rolleyes:

The man was a saint, ah he loved that old money once he had it he had a great time!

rossie1977 · 10-07-2010 05:32PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughty was a great man.:mad: and more of a gent and decent politican then the ****s we have now.

....

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 05:34PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughty was a great man.:mad: and more of a gent and decent politican then the ****s we have now.

Define gent?

Fozzie Bear · 10-07-2010 05:39PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Other way around OP!

John Gilligan was using this excuse long before Bertie ever did
No fan of Paul Williams but it's all detailed in these books

Ya we were talking about this in work at the time Bertie used it. There were some pikeys/travellers up in court here in Galway a week or two before hand. I forget what it was for exactly but they used the excuse that they had gotten their unaccountable wealth from horse racing wins!

It was some comparison, the absolute dregs of society, the lowest of the low who had gotten a huge amount of money from illegal actions, and underhand dealings using the same excuse as those travellers:pac:

He has gotten away with it too (so far) not unlike the pikeys...

Fozzie Bear · 10-07-2010 05:49PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughty was a great man.:mad: and more of a gent and decent politican then the ****s we have now.

Hmmm, out for the weekend are we Ann?

opinion guy · 10-07-2010 05:54PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Thread title confuses me .....Bertie is not a criminal ?????

Ok I don't get it. First response....populist sarcastic retort..... this should have gotten me at least 15 thanks by now .....

What has happened to you After Hours ?????

Kiwi_knock · 10-07-2010 06:00PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Ok I don't get it. First response....populist sarcastic retort..... this should have gotten me at least 15 thanks by now ..... What has happened to you After Hours ?????

You attempted to defend Bertie, there was your first mistake

mfceiling · 10-07-2010 06:11PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Define gent?

You know...gent.........meaning "to advise those around you to tighten their purse strings while you drink fine champagne and wear expensive hand made shirts"

ejmaztec · 10-07-2010 06:11PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughty was a great man.:mad: and more of a gent and decent politican then the ****s we have now.

That word starts with "C" and the second letter is "u". Apart from those errors, your description is spot on.

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 06:12PM

mfceiling wrote: »

You know...gent.........meaning "to advise those around you to tighten their purse strings while you drink fine champagne and wear expensive hand made shirts"

Well then what a f*cking gent he was!

ejmaztec · 10-07-2010 06:18PM

Gilligan seems to be so sh1t hot at pulling vast wads of money out of his arse, perhaps he should be pardoned and given Lenihan's job. No more deficits.

bleg · 10-07-2010 06:26PM

If Chewbacca won his money on a horse then you must acquit.

opinion guy · 10-07-2010 06:38PM

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

You attempted to defend Bertie, there was your first mistake

What ? No I was implying he was there was no difference between Bertie and 'Ireland's Top criminals'.

Edit: by the way - what is a 'top' criminal ? The one with the most material goods, the one with the most convictions, the one with the most gangsta's in his gang ? Is there an awards ceremony ? Does Bertie guest present the ceremony ?

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 06:38PM

bleg wrote: »

If Chewbacca won his money on a horse then you must acquit.

ah the chewbacca defense

ejmaztec · 10-07-2010 06:56PM

The "I won it on the horses" is the first line of defence in tax investigations as well. It's the most unoriginal bollocks of an excuse since the first horse race thousands of years ago.

The Aussie · 10-07-2010 07:51PM

opinion guy wrote: »

This is the same Haughey that stole money from his friend and colleague's cancer treatment fund ?

Yeah top bloke.....:rolleyes:

Ha he sounds like a real gent, if gent is short for genatalia that is...

caseyann · 10-07-2010 08:34PM

opinion guy wrote: »

This is the same Haughey that stole money from his friend and colleague's cancer treatment fund ?

Yeah top bloke.....:rolleyes:

Haughey became Minister for Justice in the early 1960s and his achievements in the post were widely praised. These achievements included the introduction of the Succession Act, which protected the inheritance rights of wives. He effectively abolished the death penalty in 1963. Haughey introduced the Succession Bill in 1964 which removed discrimination against women in inheritance rights. As Minister for Finance he introduced free electricity and free transport for old age pensioners.
Charlie Haughey appointed Máire Geoghegan Quinn to his cabinet, the first woman cabinet minister since Constance Markievicz. He co-established the Anglo-Irish framework to explore the totality of relationships between Ireland and Britain. Charlie Haughey was a patron of the arts, establishing Aosdána, giving tax exemptions to creative writers and artists, and removing VAT from books.
He established the Irish Financial Services Centre (IFSC); saved Temple Bar and turned it into a tourist and cultural quarter and set up the National Treasury Management Agency. In 1990 under his leadership Ireland enjoyed a very successful European Presidency at the time of German re-unification. Haughey opened the new Government Buildings in 1991. Under Charlie Haughey’s leadership, Fianna Fáil entered coalition government for the first time with the Progressive Democrats in 1989.
Forgot a few things he did do for this country.:rolleyes:

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 08:50PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughey became Minister for Justice in the early 1960s and his achievements in the post were widely praised. These achievements included the introduction of the Succession Act, which protected the inheritance rights of wives. He effectively abolished the death penalty in 1963. Haughey introduced the Succession Bill in 1964 which removed discrimination against women in inheritance rights. As Minister for Finance he introduced free electricity and free transport for old age pensioners.
Charlie Haughey appointed Máire Geoghegan Quinn to his cabinet, the first woman cabinet minister since Constance Markievicz. He co-established the Anglo-Irish framework to explore the totality of relationships between Ireland and Britain. Charlie Haughey was a patron of the arts, establishing Aosdána, giving tax exemptions to creative writers and artists, and removing VAT from books.
He established the Irish Financial Services Centre (IFSC); saved Temple Bar and turned it into a tourist and cultural quarter and set up the National Treasury Management Agency. In 1990 under his leadership Ireland enjoyed a very successful European Presidency at the time of German re-unification. Haughey opened the new Government Buildings in 1991. Under Charlie Haughey’s leadership, Fianna Fáil entered coalition government for the first time with the Progressive Democrats in 1989.
Forgot a few things he did do for this country.:rolleyes:

If you look close enough at the key areas haughey improved you can be pretty sure he had friends or financial stakes in some of those areas!

ejmaztec · 10-07-2010 08:50PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughey became Minister for Justice in the early 1960s and his achievements in the post were widely praised. These achievements included the introduction of the Succession Act, which protected the inheritance rights of wives. He effectively abolished the death penalty in 1963. Haughey introduced the Succession Bill in 1964 which removed discrimination against women in inheritance rights. As Minister for Finance he introduced free electricity and free transport for old age pensioners.
Charlie Haughey appointed Máire Geoghegan Quinn to his cabinet, the first woman cabinet minister since Constance Markievicz. He co-established the Anglo-Irish framework to explore the totality of relationships between Ireland and Britain. Charlie Haughey was a patron of the arts, establishing Aosdána, giving tax exemptions to creative writers and artists, and removing VAT from books.
He established the Irish Financial Services Centre (IFSC); saved Temple Bar and turned it into a tourist and cultural quarter and set up the National Treasury Management Agency. In 1990 under his leadership Ireland enjoyed a very successful European Presidency at the time of German re-unification. Haughey opened the new Government Buildings in 1991. Under Charlie Haughey’s leadership, Fianna Fáil entered coalition government for the first time with the Progressive Democrats in 1989.
Forgot a few things he did do for this country.:rolleyes:

As this was copy and pasted from the FF website, it doesn't tell anyone why he's burning in hell.:P

Overheal · 10-07-2010 08:52PM

If you're going to legalize gambling, surely you should b e keeping records of gambling transactions to verify all of this plop.

The Bertie Ahern defense, now used by Ireland's top criminals

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