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Report on attitudes to travellers published.

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  • #92
    storm2811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    90% of travellers I know are sound.


  • #93
    easyeason3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭easyeason3


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nope, just curious as to why you are defending them so much?

    I'll reiterate the statement. 90% of the travellers I know of are involved in crime.


    90%?
    Jaysus any of them I know are all into crime in some form or another.

    Frontline did a programme on it a few weeks ago & listening to that it seems they all lead crime free lives & don't fit the usual Traveller stereotype.

    Can't say I've ever come across any of them that were law abiding.


  • #94
    The Express
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭The Express


    Any experience I've had with travellers has resulted in theft or attack.

    Still, I live in hope.

    On the other hand, a friend hooked up with a really hot one in a nightclub in London one night.

    She was wearing a cowboy hat and denim hotpants and he ended up spending the night with her back in his gaf.

    Ended up riding him like a stolen bicycle.

    He loves the travellers! :D


  • #95
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nope, just curious as to why you are defending them so much?


    Because I don't like generalisations and the lynch mob mentality. While some of them are no angels, the amount of venom aimed against them is fucking appalling.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'll reiterate the statement. 90% of the travellers I know of are involved in crime.

    Funny choice of words.
    re·it·er·ate (r - t -r t ). tr.v. re·it·er·at·ed, re·it·er·at·ing, re·it·er·ates. To say or do again or repeatedly

    you stated originally
    90% of them are involved in crime.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66808980&postcount=15
    ..thus you've gone from unsustainable generalisation to unsupportable anecdote.


  • #96
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Nodin wrote: »
    Plus, when 'Real Laws' that represent 'de peepil' get passed, all you have to do is add feathers to create a mobile court.

    We can also hire it back out to entrepreneurs in the travelling community for use in their legitimate drive tarmacing business. Everyone's a winner. :pac:


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  • #97
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Offy wrote: »
    Never buy tarmac off them, or donkeys! :D
    Dave! wrote: »
    A donkey selling tarmac?! Those are some mighty entrepreneurial donkeys you do be seein! :eek:

    The Donkeys Den!




    I haven't read any further in the thread because I know I'll just get sucked in and it's pointless.


  • #98
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nodin wrote: »
    Because I don't like generalisations and the lynch mob mentality. While some of them are no angels, the amount of venom aimed against them is fucking appalling.



    Funny choice of words.


    you stated originally

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66808980&postcount=15
    ..thus you've gone from unsustainable generalisation to unsupportable anecdote.

    I was incorrect in my original posting. I work in the pub industry and have seen the intimidation that travellers put out towards people. I genuinely believe that it is travellers that have a problem with settled people rather than the other way around. They have a chip on their shoulder and travel around in large packs. When you politely refuse them service in the bar, they become abusive and threatening. This has literally happened everytime I have had to refused them drink. On one occasion, they also threw a pint glass at my face from three foot away. Luckily I was able to duck in time.

    They have no manners. They have no education(Probably the thing I least respect them for). Given all the incentives the government gives them to further their education.

    Funny that you speak of lynch mobs. Any situations where I have refused service, I have been the one been verbally abused and threatened.


  • #99
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have seen them with the jeep in the local halting site. Jeez, some people.:rolleyes:
    90% of them?

    A Range Rover is not a Jeep. Its a Range Rover. Or an SUV.


  • #100
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    When you politely refuse them service in the bar, they become abusive and threatening. This has literally happened everytime I have had to refused them drink.

    .....no, no way that could be down to you.

    You refuse them often.....?


  • #101
    hip_priest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭hip_priest


    rovert wrote: »
    So anyway back to piling on a easy target.

    What made them an easy target, besides themselves that is? Maybe it's up to the rest of us to do that for them while we're doing everything else perhaps?

    I don't hate them, I just never had a good experience with them...like them b*st*rd dentists...GGgrrrhhh!


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  • #102
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They have no manners. They have no education(Probably the thing I least respect them for). Given all the incentives the government gives them to further their education.
    Literally have no education or manners?

    So they entered your bar naked and uttering in Primal grunting and this is why you "had" to refuse them a gentlemen's service?


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    90% of them?

    A Range Rover is not a Jeep. Its a Range Rover. Or an SUV.

    In Ireland, a jeep is used colloquially to describe a 4WD vehicle. SUV is an american term.


  • #104
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In Ireland, a jeep is used colloquially to describe a 4WD vehicle. SUV is an american term.
    Of course it is, we coined and marketed Sports Utility Vehicles.

    I have never seen a Jeep in Ireland. So its a strange thing to have as a generalized term. Then I suppose the military Wrangler-type Jeeps have been around decades.


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nodin wrote: »
    .....no, no way that could be down to you.

    You refuse them often.....?

    I refuse them everytime that they appear to threaten or intimidate. So getting a pint glass thrown at myself for refusing service could be down to myself?:confused:


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    Of course it is, we coined and marketed Sports Utility Vehicles.

    I have never seen a Jeep in Ireland. So its a strange thing to have as a generalized term. Then I suppose the military Wrangler-type Jeeps have been around decades.

    www.jeep.ie :rolleyes:

    I presume you are referring to the canvas-top jeeps. Irish weather doesn't suit them.


  • #107
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Meh to that. I've never seen one.

    Though the Range Rovers were huge, and people - even yourself - manage to call them Range Rovers first.


  • #108
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »

    You cannot tar all of them with the same brush. Sure some of them may spoil for fights, some are dirty, some steal. But not ALL.
    I wouldn't tar them. I'd use a cheaper inferior product
    Overheal wrote: »
    Of course it is, we coined and marketed Sports Utility Vehicles.

    I have never seen a Jeep in Ireland. So its a strange thing to have as a generalized term. Then I suppose the military Wrangler-type Jeeps have been around decades.

    You never saw a Jeep in Ireland! Do you live on Rockall or something :eek:


  • #109
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I refuse them everytime that they appear to threaten or intimidate.

    They appear to you to "threaten or intimidate". Yet according to you
    They have no manners. They have no education(Probably the thing I least respect them for). Given all the incentives the government gives them to further their education.
    and
    They have a chip on their shoulder and travel around in large packs.

    "packs" is a term normally used to refer to groups of certain animals, isn't it?

    It appears you've a large number of pre-conceived notions with regards to travellers. I'd say they just have to appear, rather than "appear to threaten or intimidate" to be refused service by you.


  • #110
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    Meh to that. I've never seen one.

    Though the Range Rovers were huge, and people - even yourself - manage to call them Range Rovers first.

    It was a 10 Range Rover I seen in the halting site. Range Rover is not a colloqial term for a 4WD here.

    You might not see much jeeps if you were only over for a holiday etc.


  • #111
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Nodin wrote: »
    Because I don't like generalisations and the lynch mob mentality. While some of them are no angels, the amount of venom aimed against them is fucking appalling.



    Funny choice of words.


    you stated originally

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66808980&postcount=15
    ..thus you've gone from unsustainable generalisation to unsupportable anecdote.
    i disagree entirely with this, in real life they are tip toed around. in my experiences people are afraid to cross them in any way. as many have found out you do not need to cross some of them to be attacked


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  • #112
    easyeason3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭easyeason3


    Nodin wrote: »
    They appear to you to "threaten or intimidate". Yet according to you

    and


    "packs" is a term normally used to refer to groups of certain animals, isn't it?

    It appears you've a large number of pre-conceived notions with regards to travellers. I'd say they just have to appear, rather than "appear to threaten or intimidate" to be refused service by you.



    I worked in a bar. I know what Dazzler is talking about. I have never, never, witnessed them to go into a bar & have a few drinks without trouble starting. They intimidate both workers & other customers because you just don't know what will happen, they are unpredictable when drinking.
    And her use of the word 'packs' is a petty issue to latch onto. They don't drink alone. Usually two or three will enter a bar, order drinks & within half an hour a good few more friends & family arrive on once they know they will be served.

    It's extremely frustrating & frightening to be bullied & made feel unsafe by someones attitude & actions.


  • #113
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    aDeener wrote: »
    i disagree entirely with this, in real life they are tip toed around. in my experiences people are afraid to cross them in any way. as many have found out you do not need to cross some of them to be attacked

    Yep, "tip toe"
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0902/travellers.html
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0703/ballina.html
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/travellers-awarded-4500--in-pub-discrimination-case-296216.html
    http://books.google.ie/books?id=dJZYlGONiYMC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=traveller+awarded+discrimination&source=bl&ots=nkxrL7kTdf&sig=UbbheIFDbXfVtmKxgWz57ufEmqw&hl=en&ei=-042TP6qL5TNjAfcz_XnAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=traveller%20awarded%20discrimination&f=false


  • #114
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,955 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Why is it ok to be racist about travellers here

    but question our immigration policy or other ethnic groups and you are called a racist


  • #115
    storm2811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    Travellers aren't a race no matter how much they say it.


  • #116
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,955 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    storm2811 wrote: »
    Travellers aren't a race no matter how much they say it.

    are Nigerians a race ?

    are Polish people a race ?

    are Chinese a race ?

    are Eastern Europeans a race ?

    defining race isn't an exact science


  • #117
    storm2811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    thebaz wrote: »
    are Nigerians a race ?

    are Polish people a race ?

    are Chinese a race ?

    are Eastern Europeans a race ?

    defining race isn't an exact science

    No,not that it matters,travllers are an ethnic group or a cultural group etc etc.
    They want to known as a race but they never will be.


  • #118
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,955 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    storm2811 wrote: »
    No,not that it matters,travllers are an ethnic group or a cultural group etc etc.
    They want to known as a race but they never will be.

    i think it does matter , if i spoke about Nigerians/Eastern Europeans in the same way people talk about travellers i'd be deemed a racist - and rightly so


  • #119
    citizen_p
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    not all are bad obviously....but, anysomtimes they pull up nearby the kids pickpocket the shops, ive seen the mothers walking out with full trolleys of unpaid for food. 3 tried to break into a neighbours by putting a child through a small window (neighbour grabbed him and rang the gardai, little use in the end), robbed trailers etc ... on another neighbour, they were caught by chance down the country somwhere...stealing dogs as well (not just teavellers do this)
    all these are things ive seen firsthand, i know a few settled travellers who are nice and easy to get on with but any experiences with the ones on wheels have been bad.

    it is odd though, the only thing that can shut every pub in my town on an day is a traveller night out.


  • #120
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Are there no travellers with internet skills out there to set AH straight?


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  • #121
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Are there no travellers with internet skills out there to set AH straight?
    Theyre on bebo and facebook starting sexy traveller groups (these do exist)


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