News and views on Greystones harbour and marina [SEE MODERATOR WARNING POST 1187]

pixbyjohn · 18-06-2010 09:56PM

InTheTrees · 18-06-2010 10:13PM

A picture is worth a thousand words, Thanks!

darter · 18-06-2010 10:43PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

A picture is worth a thousand words, Thanks!

Pan to the left and show the mess still from the concrete plant and the land lost and being lost from the North Beach subsidence...

A picture can also tell a thousand lies...

pixbyjohn · 18-06-2010 10:56PM

There is enough negativity without me adding to it. Its going to be a place of beauty when the harbour works are finished.

Dunphus · 18-06-2010 11:32PM

pixbyjohn wrote: »

You seem to be in the site there, hope you had your PPE on

Nice pic

darter · 18-06-2010 11:43PM

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Its going to be a place of beauty when the harbour works are finished.

Pity I only have "three score years and ten", and I've used up quite a bit of my allocation already... Ah well, at least our grandchildren will look back kindly on us...

pixbyjohn · 19-06-2010 09:31AM

Dunphus wrote: »

You seem to be in the site there, hope you had your PPE on

Nice pic

I was in the area where the temporary slip is and which is used by all the clubs to launch their boats, kayaks etc. when the gates are open for the public.
Always have my personal protective equipment.

Blanchflower · 19-06-2010 10:30AM

darter wrote: »

Pan to the left and show the mess still from the concrete plant and the land lost and being lost from the North Beach subsidence...

A picture can also tell a thousand lies...

The site is generally very untidy and has the look of a cash strapped development. Following the bursting of the property bubble it is not a going concern and will most likely never be properly completed.

pixbyjohn · 19-06-2010 11:27AM

Blanchflower wrote: »

The site is generally very untidy and has the look of a cash strapped development. Following the bursting of the property bubble it is not a going concern and will most likely never be properly completed.

same old same old

darter · 19-06-2010 05:17PM

pixbyjohn wrote: »

same old same old

the sun rises in the east - same old same old
the pope is catholic - same old same old
irish developers always leave a mess - same old same old
irish bankers are not paying for their mess - same old same old
greystones is going to be screwed for years to come because of the harbour development - same old same old

Just because it has been said many times before does not make it any less truthful...

What is becoming "old" though is the constant whining and moaning without any action to follow it up. Not sure what can be done, but we are all being kept in the dark by the Council and SisPar about the future plans.

Welsh Wizard · 19-06-2010 07:14PM

Personally I can't wait for it to be finished... better than the old crappy, smelly excuse of a harbour we had...

Least then people might stop moaning about it all... but I wont hold my breath..

Oh and BTW Building sites are normally messy till they are finished..

Nice pic by the way...

pixbyjohn · 19-06-2010 07:31PM

darter wrote: »

What is becoming "old" though is the constant whining and moaning without any action to follow it up.

Who are the constant whiners and moaners, will you answer me that please ?

loyatemu · 19-06-2010 08:35PM

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Who are the constant whiners and moaners, will you answer me that please ?

no, don't answer that, this thread will just end up as another one with a big lock under it. The arguments have been done to death here already.

thecommander · 19-06-2010 08:52PM

Blanchflower wrote: »

The site is generally very untidy and has the look of a cash strapped development.

Are you still on holiday here or have you given up on the "Im just a tourist" angle?

darter · 19-06-2010 09:33PM

loyatemu wrote: »

no, don't answer that, this thread will just end up as another one with a big lock under it. The arguments have been done to death here already.

Thank you Mod for that timely reminder...

We all want this thread to stay open and alive to keep everyone informed about the harbour developments, and not suffer from being locked like all other such threads.

I'll endeavour to try to abide by own admonitions that I made in the very first post of this thread, and to not get drawn into futile argument, appealing though that may be...

darter wrote: »

I'd like to start a thread that collects news and views on Greystones harbour and marina. Given the demonstrated eager propensity of the large-handed moderators to close anything down quickly if it strays from the topic of the OP, I ask that all of you who want to discuss anything other than "News and views on Greystones harbour and marina" do it in a separate thread. That way perhaps we can avoid the thread being closed whilst there are still very active participants providing useful information to the community...

I will initiate the thread by saying that although I was against the development that was on principle - the principle being that this is the first time that public beach land in Ireland has been given over to a developer, and that it should not have been counternanced without the State becoming involved - as in the "real" politicians rather than our municipal ones. Now that it is happening, I have "moved on", and welcome its completion as I do think it will add significantly to Greystones.

Please add your news (state the facts and reference the sources) and views (fact-less), but please keep to the topic of the thread.

darter

LEIN · 19-06-2010 10:18PM

darter, as Mods we like to see discussion flow and in the majority of cases they are fine but when things start getting a little personal we need to act before a flame war breaks out and things get out of hand.

Hope you can understand our position.

Fiachra2 · 21-06-2010 09:35AM

Wicklow County Council recently proposed two changes to the housing element of the plan. The first involved replacing some of the housing units (which obviously will not be built inn the near term) with a medical centre. This was probably an acceptable change and would have facilitated the removal of some of the hoarding in the harbour area.
The second however involved increasing the total number of houses back up to the level originally proposed. A level which An Bord Pleanala had deemed unacceptably high. This seemed rather odd given that they are not going to build the housing for some time. Anyway, not unsurprisingly, the Bord has advised the council that if they wish to do this then the must prepare a new Environmental Impact Statement. This will of course draw objections from the public and may lead to a significant delay in bringing the works to some sort of a conclusion.

Blanchflower · 21-06-2010 12:26PM

Fiachra2 wrote: »

Wicklow County Council recently proposed two changes to the housing element of the plan. The first involved replacing some of the housing units (which obviously will not be built inn the near term) with a medical centre. This was probably an acceptable change and would have facilitated the removal of some of the hoarding in the harbour area.
The second however involved increasing the total number of houses back up to the level originally proposed. A level which An Bord Pleanala had deemed unacceptably high. This seemed rather odd given that they are not going to build the housing for some time. Anyway, not unsurprisingly, the Bord has advised the council that if they wish to do this then the must prepare a new Environmental Impact Statement. This will of course draw objections from the public and may lead to a significant delay in bringing the works to some sort of a conclusion.

Any idea when the EIS will be available to the public?

Mullie · 21-06-2010 01:12PM

Just looking at the planning permission post related to La Touche hotel there and it states that there will be a medical center!
Does this mean we'll have one at the La Touche, one at the harbour and the existing HSE just around the corner?

darter · 21-06-2010 03:08PM

Mullie wrote: »

Just looking at the planning permission post related to La Touche hotel there and it states that there will be a medical center!
Does this mean we'll have one at the La Touche, one at the harbour and the existing HSE just around the corner?

A lot of sickly people in Greystones....

.... possibly from all of the shenanigans about the harbour and now the La Touche hotel.... but we need psychologists to sort us all out....

Fiachra2 · 22-06-2010 06:33AM

Blanchflower wrote: »

Any idea when the EIS will be available to the public?

Dont know yet. I would guess that the process will involve the preparation of an EIS followed by its publication and then a relativly short period for the public to make submissions on the EIS to the bord. At best I would imagine the EIS wont be ready for 3-4 months and possibly longer. Once I have any idea of timescale I will post it here.

loyatemu · 22-06-2010 08:58AM

Mullie wrote: »

Just looking at the planning permission post related to La Touche hotel there and it states that there will be a medical center!
Does this mean we'll have one at the La Touche, one at the harbour and the existing HSE just around the corner?

I assumed the one at the harbour would replace the existing one opposite the cinema.

danjo · 22-06-2010 09:23AM

loyatemu wrote: »

I assumed the one at the harbour would replace the existing one opposite the cinema.

I understand it is a private practice which will relocate from the town to the harbour area.

Alan_P · 22-06-2010 09:58AM

Fiachra2 wrote: »

Dont know yet. I would guess that the process will involve the preparation of an EIS followed by its publication and then a relativly short period for the public to make submissions on the EIS to the bord. At best I would imagine the EIS wont be ready for 3-4 months and possibly longer. Once I have any idea of timescale I will post it here.

Can you clarify something ? My understanding was that WCC were planning on adding the extra houses using some clause of the relevant planning act that allows them to do it autonomously, without reference to the Bord.

Does the Bord's determination that a new EIS is required mean do they have a role/veto over the extra housing ?

loyatemu · 22-06-2010 10:10AM

danjo wrote: »

I understand it is a private practice which will relocate from the town to the harbour area.

thats the GP's surgery on Church Road - they are moving to the harbour centre, but they're not the only tenants.

MyPerfectCousin · 22-06-2010 10:14AM

"Medical centre" is a pretty vague term. I guess planning permission is easier for medical-related premises, given the ability of doctors and dentists to house surgeries in otherwise residential areas. When in doubt when building a multi-use development, throw in a medical centre!

Huntthe · 22-06-2010 11:47AM

How do they reckon the harbour area is going to deal with all the new Traffic !?

Blanchflower · 22-06-2010 08:29PM

Fiachra2 wrote: »

Dont know yet. I would guess that the process will involve the preparation of an EIS followed by its publication and then a relativly short period for the public to make submissions on the EIS to the bord. At best I would imagine the EIS wont be ready for 3-4 months and possibly longer. Once I have any idea of timescale I will post it here.

Will there be another oral hearing following submissions from the public?

The Guide · 22-06-2010 08:48PM

Planning permission notice at back of La Touche Hotel, saw it couple of days ago and along with apartments etc, coffee shop.... Medical Centre, thought it was an old one but it looks new. Obviously we are all in need of many medical centres

Fiachra2 · 23-06-2010 06:16AM

Alan_P wrote: »

Can you clarify something ? My understanding was that WCC were planning on adding the extra houses using some clause of the relevant planning act that allows them to do it autonomously, without reference to the Bord.

Does the Bord's determination that a new EIS is required mean do they have a role/veto over the extra housing ?

I cannot say for certain and I will try to find out but I think yes is the answer. The council sought permission from the bord to increase the housing without submitting an EIS to the Bord. The Bord declined to permit this. Its all rather confusing because the whole development was built using legislation that was designed to facilitate the fast tracking of "critical infrastructure" i.e. roads. It was never intended to cover the building of houses for commercial gain. However a marina somehow managed to become "critical infrastructure".

I will know more when I get an answer from the Bord and will post it.

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