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Eircom enacts three strikes rule

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  • #242
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    There are programs that mask your Ip and set up a few dozen cloak ones all across the world but this is usless against what they plan to impose. I watch a program a week or two ago on this and they were saying that they can detect mass downloading from your ip.

    There was a program about the Eircom three-strikes rule?

    What was it called?


  • #243
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Two days solid now and people still can't grasp the basics of what's going on.

    I know it's AH but really, try and focus.

    Eircom couldn't really care less what you do. They have no interest in monitoring what you do, in fact, for them to do so would be an added cost to them that they don't want.
    No no No. I am i full knowledge of what is happening read my posts from yesterday if ye like. I know eircom isnt the one monitoring. Its a third party:rolleyes: Iv said this already The point is if eircom fold Then then rest of the ISPs will Have to follow suit eventually. Im with UPC and im afraid this will spread


  • #244
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    There are programs that mask your Ip and set up a few dozen cloak ones all across the world but this is usless against what they plan to impose. I watch a program a week or two ago on this and they were saying that they can detect mass downloading from your ip.


    "mass" downloading is not an issue

    Let me introduce the word share to you.

    share....

    let me introduce another one, "upload"

    share...


    UPLOAD...


  • #245
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    No no No. I am i full knowledge of what is happening read my posts from yesterday if ye like. I know eircom isnt the one monitoring. Its a third party:rolleyes: Iv said this already The point is if eircom fold Then then rest of the ISPs will Have to follow suit eventually. Im with UPC and im afraid this will spread

    It will spread, IMRA all ready stated another ISP will be joining in.

    Why are you afraid?

    Are you breaking the law?


  • #246
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    Mark200 wrote: »
    There was a program about the Eircom three-strikes rule?

    What was it called?
    Im not to sure mate, It showed irish peoples downloading habits and explained some of the telecoms package. The it showed new Sites that are developing software to cloak ips safely


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  • #247
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    No no No. I am i full knowledge of what is happening read my posts from yesterday if ye like. I know eircom isnt the one monitoring. Its a third party:rolleyes: Iv said this already The point is if eircom fold Then then rest of the ISPs will Have to follow suit eventually. Im with UPC and im afraid this will spread

    why are you afraid?


  • #248
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    ntlbell wrote: »
    It will spread, IMRA all ready stated another ISP will be joining in.

    Why are you afraid?

    Are you breaking the law?

    Yes i do realise when you download you have to upload, im not a leech mate. And yes I do download and Yes i Have a massive CD collection and a massive DVD collection from which i spent at least 1500euro on since i started it way back. See the thing is i will but what i like or what i think is good.

    In your oppinion Is watching Utube videos piracy.


  • #249
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    ntlbell wrote: »
    It will spread, IMRA all ready stated another ISP will be joining in.

    Why are you afraid?

    Are you breaking the law?


    He doesnt have to be breaking the law to be afraid.


  • #250
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    Yes i do realise when you download you have to upload, im not a leech mate. And yes I do download and Yes i Have a massive CD collection and a massive DVD collection from which i spent at least 1500euro on since i started it way back. See the thing is i will but what i like or what i think is good.

    In your oppinion Is watching Utube videos piracy.

    I don't think you have an idea of what I'm talking about, or what indeed yourself is talking about.

    They will be monitoring "shares" people offering. Nothing to do with people who download. There is no requirement to upload on public torrents. Which is mostly what they will be monitoring.

    My opinion or your opinion on watching youtube is really irrelvant.

    People who share can be punished, this is ilegal, if you're not doing that, well, you have nothing to worry about regarding what has been announced, is it really so complicated to get your head around?


  • #251
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    He doesnt have to be breaking the law to be afraid.

    afraid of what? Jesus lads it's a fairly simple question.


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  • #252
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    He doesnt have to be breaking the law to be afraid.


    huh


  • #253
    gizmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    He doesnt have to be breaking the law to be afraid.
    Well if he gets a strike and has definitely not downloaded anything illegal, then he can persue legal action against either Eircom or dtecnet. Unfortunately he has already admitted to downloading material so I doubt he'll be doing that. :rolleyes:


  • #254
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    Yes i do realise when you download you have to upload, im not a leech mate. And yes I do download and Yes i Have a massive CD collection and a massive DVD collection from which i spent at least 1500euro on since i started it way back. See the thing is i will but what i like or what i think is good.

    In your oppinion Is watching Utube videos piracy.

    You named sites like Rapidshare and Megavideo. You can download from them without uploading.

    Either way, I haven't heard anything to suggest that a third party is monitoring everything you do on the internet.


  • #255
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    tbh wrote: »
    where do you think it will end, and why do you think eircom will want it to end there. out of curiosity, like.

    I think it will end in half the internet being of no use. Youtube has already started to move the music vids to some vevo site which im sure you will eventually have to subscribe to.

    Its not that Eircom want this, its that they are being used as an example and if it works it will be common place for Ireland.

    If it happens in Ireland then It will spread elsewhere etc.

    Im not worried about artists loosing a percentage from there massive fortunes. I think this will introduce Internet packages that can be subscribed to like Sky digital and thus loosing the freedom of the internet.


  • #256
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    i didn't read this whole thread but i know this...i will be switching provider asap - ISP's should not be involved in the policing of how or why i use the internet. surely most eircom users, especially those who share the odd music file, will do the same...


  • #257
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    I think it will end in half the internet being of no use.
    no use for pirating.


  • #258
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    Mark200 wrote: »
    You named sites like Rapidshare and Megavideo. You can download from them without uploading.

    Either way, I haven't heard anything to suggest that a third party is monitoring everything you do on the internet.
    Its still piracy if your downloading illegal material.

    And Im afraid of internet restrictions in the future TBH


  • #259
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    tbh wrote: »
    no use for pirating.
    And no use for watching music videos on youtube.

    Itl be back to the pikeys Knocking door to door with DVD copies. What was a blank cassette or vhs used for.!!
    Im sure you used them at some stage TBH


  • #260
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    I think it will end in half the internet being of no use. Youtube has already started to move the music vids to some vevo site which im sure you will eventually have to subscribe to.

    The point of the vevo thing is that advertisements are put at the start of the videos, which allows for the companies to make money from having the videos online for free.

    tiocimarla wrote: »
    Its still piracy if your downloading illegal material.

    And Im afraid of internet restrictions in the future TBH

    The Eircom three-strikes rule only applies to the uploading of copyrighted music.


  • #261
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    And no use for watching music videos on youtube.

    Itl be back to the pikeys Knocking door to door with DVD copies. What was a blank cassette or vhs used for.!!
    Im sure you used them at some stage TBH

    I don't think youtube is in any danger to be fair. Of course I used blank vids and tapes, but I didn't knock out thousands of copies of them and give them away.


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  • #262
    gizmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    I think it will end in half the internet being of no use. Youtube has already started to move the music vids to some vevo site which im sure you will eventually have to subscribe to.
    Vevo is a music portal for a number of record labels which is hosted by Youtube. You will never have to pay for it as the entire purpose is to have an "official" location for music videos thus enabling higher-end advertising. If they moved to a subscription model then they would lose this advantage and thus the entire point of the portal.


  • #263
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    Mark200 wrote: »
    The Eircom three-strikes rule only applies to the uploading of copyrighted music.

    Downloading Copyrighted also. Riddle me this, Have you heard about the EU Telecoms package that went on a trial a few months ago. And if so what do you think of that???


  • #264
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    tbh wrote: »
    I don't think youtube is in any danger to be fair. Of course I used blank vids and tapes, but I didn't knock out thousands of copies of them and give them away.
    And neither do I but its pot kettle


  • #265
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    And neither do I but its pot kettle

    what?


  • #266
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    gizmo wrote: »
    Vevo is a music portal for a number of record labels which is hosted by Youtube. You will never have to pay for it as the entire purpose is to have an "official" location for music videos thus enabling higher-end advertising. If they moved to a subscription model then they would lose this advantage and thus the entire point of the portal.

    Yes and what Happens when ALL the music vids are on vevo. It would be very easy for them then to Whack on a fee and memberships etc, My point is its not a good direction for the internets


  • #267
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    Downloading Copyrighted also. Riddle me this, Have you heard about the EU Telecoms package that went on a trial a few months ago. And if so what do you think of that???

    No, the definition of piracy is different to what the Eircom three-strikes rule is about. Please read the article in the first post.

    Also, the EU Telecoms package has nothing to do with company policy. Over half this topic has been spent by members trying to explain that concept to one person. Please read over that if you're about to suggest that Eircom are in breach of that package.


  • #268
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    tiocimarla wrote: »
    Yes and what Happens when ALL the music vids are on vevo. It would be very easy for them then to Whack on a fee and memberships etc, My point is its not a good direction for the internets

    The point is that vevo is still on youtube. Companies can't charge a fee for portions of youtube without youtube's permission.


  • #269
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    tbh wrote: »
    what?
    Kettle calling the pot black is an old saying. What i meant by it is you dont agree with downloading copyrighted files but you did pirate stuff off the internet. Hence the hypocritical saying.


  • #270
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    Mark200 wrote: »
    The point is that vevo is still on youtube. Companies can't charge a fee for portions of youtube without youtube's permission.
    No i know this as it is only a trial version of the telecoms pakage so far. It is to go up again for the full package in the near future.


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  • #271
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    Mark200 wrote: »
    The point is that vevo is still on youtube. Companies can't charge a fee for portions of youtube without youtube's permission.
    Do you think youtube will not say ye no problem. We want X%.


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