Eircom enacts three strikes rule

franklyshocked

Its a slippery slope people.
An external un-elected body tells your ISP what sites they want blocked.
There is never a list published of what sites are blocked.
Suddenly its not just an issue of stealing music.
Its soon going to be un-elected secretive companies with their own agenda and moral objective deciding what sites are "safe".
The freedom of information on the internet is something that governments all over the world want to enforce some form of control.
This is just the first step.

I hate to go all tinfoil hat on this but this is just wrong.

I'm with UPC by the way

Yakult

Time to get the father to switch from Eircom I thinks. pr*cks.

MrStuffins

FHB wrote: »

I know. It's ridiculous isn't it? This won't do a thing except get customers to move from eircom. They really are shooting themselves in the foot here. Or at least, whoevers forcing them to do this, is shooting them in the foot. xD

See, they're not really being "Forced", they just won't stand their ground and say no. They're willingly agreeing to this!

i thought censoring my internet was bad, i'm still very angry about that!

einshteen

Compiling a list of alternative broadband providers. So far I have:

UPC
Vodafone (wired - BT and Perlico)
Digiweb (incl. Smart Telecom)
Imagine
Magnet

Am I missing anyone important?

Crooklyn

What kind of bandwidth allowance can I expect living in Leixlip, Kildare? I'm from Sweden, and right now I'm on a 100 MB fiberline (yeah, we're spoiled).

I was looking at a couple of providers the other day, and the highest I found was 7,xx?! That can't be all there is to it, or?

mattman

yup! and now.. bit of subject..but..its easy to bypass all that eircom crap. very easy. in sayin that, i dont download music, just use youtube or winamp (im a blues radio fan)..dont listen to that crap pop ****e on the radio...


some isp is advertising fiber broadband..here..guess what ! its only 5 meg! ffs!

im on 7 and happy with that. then again i had 1 was happy with that. then 2, then 3 and now 7! but we all wait for adsl2+ to be upgraded on our local exchanges which could be years...i figure ill get 14.5 meg max with my line..but happy with that..cause im miles away from exchange.

course different in major citys.. u can get 30..if your one of the luckey ones..

http://www.upc.ie/broadband/

http://www.smarttelecom.ie/home_broadband.aspx


but the dam upload speeds piss me off..cause we here do a lot of online gaming and when 3 or more go on, its drops me pings big time...
my max is .35 meg.

anyway eircom are at nottin...they forget young people and students download the most music, and they are not stupid..and just google ways to by pass...(no offence to older people - tech minded i mean!).

m.

drdeadlift

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwTxySVuyQ

robbie_998

drdeadlift wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwTxySVuyQ

i sense a law suit just around the corner.....

Ciaran500

Crooklyn wrote: »

What kind of bandwidth allowance can I expect living in Leixlip, Kildare? I'm from Sweden, and right now I'm on a 100 MB fiberline (yeah, we're spoiled).

I was looking at a couple of providers the other day, and the highest I found was 7,xx?! That can't be all there is to it, or?

Pretty much, theres pockets of 30mb around Dublin but its not available to everyone. http://www.upc.ie/broadband/

I'm with Smart and genuinely have no limits, and I have to say, the speed is pretty much as advertised, although it's slowly declining.

Jumpy

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm with Smart and genuinely have no limits, and I have to say, the speed is pretty much as advertised, although it's slowly declining.

Yes you do. Its 170 GB. Go above that and you are restricted to 64kbit

Inquitus

Of the common forms of downloading copyright music illegally, only P2P sharing is vulnerable to this.
Eircom will only process 50 complaints a week.
The companies trawling P2P networks for the IRMA could prob come up with a years worth of IPs for complaints in the first hour.

Colpriz

Bono must be payrolling Eircom!

ElaElaElano

So, if someone was to download from, say, megaupload or mediafire, and not a torrent site, there's less risk of being caught out?

BingoMingo

I'm with Digiweb but maybe I can give you guys with Eircom some advice.

Send Eircom an email warning them that if you ever receive even the first written warning from them you will immediately switch to a new ISP.

Tell them this is called "The customer is king and one strike and YOU are out!"

Bet that will do the trick!

Firefox11

Eircom's contempt for it's own customer's is quite staggering!! How they are still in business i do not know.

Mark200

ElaElaElano wrote: »

So, if someone was to download from, say, megaupload or mediafire, and not a torrent site, there's less risk of being caught out?

It appears that they will only be monitoring P2P networks, which is where users who have a file share with users who want the file. Torrents and things like Limewire use this type of connectivity. So yeah, the sites you mentioned where you download directly from a server should be ok. Mainly because only you and the person you are downloading from knows what you are downloading.

Mark200

Amhran Nua wrote: »

No doubt this is the line of thinking that IRMA is following as well. Unfortunately for them, private companies do not fall outside the law, and if this practise becomes prevalent within the ISP industry in Ireland, regulated it shall be.

I mean are you seriously discarding European Parliament directives on the basis that its a company doing the rulebreaking rather than the legislature?

Copyright infringement is a matter between the alleged infringer and the copyright owner. It has nothing to do with Eircom or any other ISP, especially since they are not specifically enabling this activity. Look at the legal definition of safe harbour:

So really in this case its Eircom and IRMA who are at fault, and they will be found to be so.

I don't know why you quoted an excerpt from an American law...

But either way, I can't get over your shocking inability to understand what role the EU Parliament has played, or to understand the significant difference between law and company policy.

Colpriz

I would say most P2P downloading is stoneage now with the advent of some of the other methods mentioned

df1985

i find i dont use p2p such as limewire as much as i did a few years ago. i mainly use rapid/zippy share and the likes....can i be caught on them?

i live at home and always been with eircom but ill be getting my mam to switch i think!

McGarnagle92

any one see the logo on PirateBays website?
what's with that?

Edit: whoops just saw it was mentioned already

jimi_t2

Mark200 wrote: »

But either way, I can't get over your shocking inability to understand what role the EU Parliament has played, or to understand the significant difference between law and company policy.

Well how about you try and rectify it without being an ass about it? We're all in the same boat here.

I seem to have this ''shocking inability'', judging from the court hearing I surmised that the court was holding the company responsible under law, as opposed to their own policy

"It is completely within the legitimate standing of Eircom to act, and to be seen to act, as a body which upholds the law and Constitution. That is what the Court expects of both individuals and companies." Mr Justice Peter Charleton

I've very little legal knowledge, but considering it went to court this seems a tad like a ruling?

robbie_998

McGarnagle92 wrote: »

any one see the logo on PirateBays website?
what's with that?

Edit: whoops just saw it was mentioned already

i only see the normal logo.... care to take a screenie ?

jimi_t2

Colpriz wrote: »

Bono must be payrolling Eircom!

Nah, the less bandwith they give to customers pirating = more bandwith for ''legitimate'' use

Obviously its about their profits, but they feel safer on the high moral ground.

The repercussions of the ruling and the precedent it sets however... God help them, they'll vow the day they ever bought out a public company when the Irish population has its say.

Maybe now we'll see some WiMAX darknet in the Dublin area :P

Mark200

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Well how about you try and rectify it without being an ass about it? We're all in the same boat here.

I seem to have this ''shocking inability'', judging from the court hearing I surmised that the court was holding the company responsible under law, as opposed to their own policy



I've very little legal knowledge, but considering it went to court this seems a tad like a ruling?

Posters, including me, have spent the majority of this topic trying to "rectify it".

As said many times, businesses have the right to refuse service to whoever they want so long as they do not breach discrimination laws. The problem that the EU had with France was that France made the three-strikes system LAW, instead of it being the policy of a company. If Ireland were to make it law, then they would of course have to prove that suspects had indeed been downloading illegally before the Government issued a blanket ban on their internet access. Companies are not obliged to do that, as they are allowed to refuse service to anyone.

thomond2006

Failcom. :mad:

McGarnagle92

robbie_998 wrote: »

i only see the normal logo.... care to take a screenie ?

i thought everyone would see it?

jimi_t2

Mark200 wrote: »

Posters, including me, have spent the majority of this topic trying to "rectify it".

As said many times, businesses have the right to refuse service to whoever they want so long as they do not breach discrimination laws. The problem that the EU had with France was that France made the three-strikes system LAW, instead of it being the policy of a company. If Ireland were to make it law, then they would of course have to prove that suspects had indeed been downloading illegally before the Government issued a blanket ban on their internet access. Companies are not obliged to do that, as they are allowed to refuse service to anyone.

Fair enough, I'll admit after reading about 40 threads about it today I glossed a bit over the discourse.

Whats the current understanding of IP addresses, be they static or dynamic, under EU law? I had some notion that they constituted privileged information in the hands of anyone outside of the ISP

Also, is Eircom not the single wired provider for broadband in this country which acts as a reseller to everyone else? Is there not some sort of monopoly law that kicks in?

OT : As for EU law vs. Irish law, are we not already being reprimanded for setting a minimum price on cigarettes and for imposing various illegal taxes contrary to the EU market place (e.g. VRT)?

robbie_998

McGarnagle92 wrote: »

i thought everyone would see it?

i just saw the regular logo.

cheers for that though

gsxr1

time to build those ratios before UPC have to follow. I have a TB to spare:D