[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Foxtrol · 24-05-2010 11:35PM

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jimbling wrote: »

I wasn't stuck on David at all. I was just using it to point out that Anthony Cooper didnt matter either. Neither were real.
I thought Lockes absolute statement of that was pretty convincing on the matter.

But I have been wrong before

Sorry I think you were the last of several who mentioned David. If it was Hurley instead of Jack he would have said that he wasnt lucky or if it was Sawyer he could would have said you're not a cop. Basically that this timeline isnt real. To paraphrase Christian what happened on the Island was the most important thing and the FST/Purgatory was made by you to find each other.

eamon234 · 24-05-2010 11:36PM

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whiteman19 wrote: »

the island was real, but we don't know exactly what it was. the alternate "timeline" was purgatory.

Exactly. Everything we saw in the "Purgatory" scenes was after Jack died on the island. Christian told him in the church that he created this so he could bring everyone together and "move on" - because time isn't relative after death we presume that at this stage everyone has died but at different times over the years. At least that's what I got from it. What happened on the Island happened.

Elmo · 24-05-2010 11:36PM

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So they are all dead (Interesting that)

Awh! Awh! (In the wise words of Charlie Brooker) Awh! They had to find each other. Awh!

Really disappointed I was looking forward to this episode and to be honest with you even though about watching with our American Cousins, glad I didn't because that would have just been even more disappoint.

I know there will always be die hard fans and TBH after 6 years I am a die hard fan. But the ending could have been so much more than it was. Why go with the most obvious ending that they are dead something mentioned by bloggers and posters on the World Wide Web why invest so much time into that ending. Of all the endings available right from the web?

And lets all face it Jack was the worst character in this series yet most of the last series and even last episode was the show dealing with him. Why invest so much time with the character with the most dull and boring back story? There were such a good array of characters Locke, Kate and Hurley all had well developed storylines and characters. Unlike the boring doctor.

Overall it is a good series but it should have ended after 4 years. The last series was just painting by numbers.

Did I mention they are all dead :rolleyes:

I gave it 5/10 but purely because of the show itself rather then the end where they are all dead.

jimbling · 24-05-2010 11:36PM

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Mr. Nice Guy, we'll continue this discussion tomorrow sometime if you havent found a satisfactory answer.

Gl to all, enjoy the continuing banter.

For all it's flaws, I am going to miss lost like no other show. I don't think anything will ever have the impact lost has had, and I loved it.
RIP Lost.

Mr.Nice Guy · 24-05-2010 11:37PM

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jimbling wrote: »

He's not atoning for anything. From what I can see he went on to live a very productive life as Hurleys number two on the island.

All ben said is that he wasn't ready to move on. There could be a number of reasons, but the most glaringly obvious is that he wanted to stay and help his new found friends to move on too. i.e. he wanted to move on with Alex, not the losties.

Wow your interprestation is wildly different to mine.

My interpretation is that he most certainly is atoning, for the numerous people he killed (most recently Widmore), and he realises he is not ready to move on to what is presumably some form of heaven.

That is why he wants to stay with Alex and try and do good. I think the same is true of Ana Lucia who, according to Desmond, is 'not ready yet'. It's reasonable to think the same is true of Cooper.

ED E · 24-05-2010 11:38PM

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jimbling wrote: »

He's not atoning for anything. From what I can see he went on to live a very productive life as Hurleys number two on the island.

All ben said is that he wasn't ready to move on. There could be a number of reasons, but the most glaringly obvious is that he wanted to stay and help his new found friends to move on too. i.e. he wanted to move on with Alex, not the losties.

Does the fact that Alex is the same in the Flash mean that:
A) Ruseau and Ben dont remember

Ben isnt her da

?

jimbling · 24-05-2010 11:39PM

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wow your interprestation is wildly different to mine.

My interpretation is that he most certainly is atoning, for the numerous people he killed (most recently Widmore), and he realises he is not ready to move on to what is presumably some form of heaven.

That is why he wants to stay with Alex and try and do good. I think the same is true of Ana Lucia who, according to Desmond, is 'not ready yet'. It's reasonable to think the same is true of Cooper.

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out. I definitely don't see that at all. I never heard any mention of atoning. I never even thought it was implied anywhere. We'll see what some of the other die hards think when they get around to posting on it tomorrow.

Agamemnon · 24-05-2010 11:39PM

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Just rewatched the last 30 minutes of the episode there...

I will look back on the show, and on the many memories it gave me, with fondness. It was not the masterpiece which I had hoped it would turn out to be, but it was a special show nonetheless.

Nail on head. I gave it an 8 because I thought it gave all the characters closure and resolved a lot of their issues. I gave up hope a few episodes ago of getting any proper answers to the many questions the plot raised - it's clear now that things like time travel were just added to the mix to pad out the story over six seasons.

Lost had some of the best characters on tv: Sawyer, Sayid, Ben, Season 1 Locke, Juliet, Desmond... It was great to see them get a proper send-off, as friends and at peace. Very few shows out there have characters of such depth and variety and the tv world will be poorer without them.

Another thing I really enjoyed was seeing some of the Lost babes again: Penny, Libby and, best of all, the gorgeous Maggie Grace. Plus Kate in that dress, Juliet's cleavage and Claire looking scruffy-hot. Lost was always generous with the fap material to go along with the questions and the characters.

Great to see Vincent, Christian and Boone again. When Jack went into the church, I fully expected him to meet Father Eko there.

Did anyone else burst out laughing when Jack was plugging the hole? All I could see was him ramming a giant stone cock into a hole and relaxing in orgasmic bliss afterwards. Freud would have a field day with it.

I'm glad I stayed with Lost until the end. The show would have benefited from better planning and I doubt I'll ever watch it all again, but I'll definitely be re-watching my favourite episodes (and there are many). There was nothing remotely like it and it caught the imagination of millions, entertained us and made us think. I was welling up in the last few minutes of the finale but now I'm off to hunt down Maggie Grace pictures. Goodbye Lost, thanks for the memories.

blandatious · 24-05-2010 11:40PM

jimbling wrote: »

must ..... turn.... off..... computer....
must ..... stop ..... posting.....

brilliant post!!!! keep em coming.....

Snake Plisken · 24-05-2010 11:42PM

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expectationlost wrote: »

erm so the things on the island didn't happen it was the flashbacks that were important?

No what I'm saying is the Island was real everything that happened on the Island was real, the charecter flashbacks where real, the flash-sideways were from purgatory.

gazzer · 24-05-2010 11:42PM

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I thought it was a fantastic ending and had some amazing moments in it. Didnt see the twist coming at all until Jacks dad mentioned about some people dying before and some after and then when Vincent appeared beside a dying Jack I just lost it

mewso · 24-05-2010 11:42PM

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dudeitshurley wrote: »

Quick example: i stand directly behind you and tell you to let yourself fall backwards. Science will tell you if you fall backwards you will hit the deck and hurt yourself. Faith might tell you that i will catch you preventing any harm. That's a specific situation NOT in a vacuum. It has a subject: me telling you to fall backwards.

Your quick example is a test of trust not faith. Faith is all about nobody being behind you but someone tells you you won't fall. You must have faith they know of some unknown power or force that will stop you falling. Science will tell you that without something to break your fall be it a trampoline or someone you trust then theres a statistically measured liklihood you'll have a very sore head in the morning.

prinz · 24-05-2010 11:43PM

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Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Does the fact that Alex is the same in the Flash mean that:
A) Ruseau and Ben dont remember
Ben isnt her da?

Ben never was her da. He just nicked her as a kid and pretended he was. It's possible when Alex and Rousseau are ready to move on, the three of them will have a moment and the three will pass on together.

Elmo · 24-05-2010 11:44PM

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Agamemnon wrote: »

Lost had some of the best characters on tv: Sawyer, Sayid, Ben, Season 1 Locke, Juliet, Desmond... It was great to see them get a proper send-off, as friends and at peace. Very few shows out there have characters of such depth and variety and the tv world will be poorer without them.

But the main character JACK was the most dull character ever created it was like they went into - lets say - a teen TV show and opted to take the older brother in a orphaned family, kill him off and put him on an Island. :rolleyes:

Thank god for the rest of the back stories from Kate, Locke and Sawyer and most of the rest of them. The series as a whole is poorer for not choosing any of the other characters as its main focus. and TBH Jack ended up being that focus on too many occasions.

mewso · 24-05-2010 11:45PM

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wow your interprestation is wildly different to mine.

My interpretation is that he most certainly is atoning, for the numerous people he killed (most recently Widmore), and he realises he is not ready to move on to what is presumably some form of heaven.

That is why he wants to stay with Alex and try and do good. I think the same is true of Ana Lucia who, according to Desmond, is 'not ready yet'. It's reasonable to think the same is true of Cooper.

Anna Lucia and Ben are quite different. She is not ready and the main indicator is she is not yet aware of where she is. I think you may be partly right about Ben but his desire to move on with Alex would match very closely with Christian's explanation that we move on with those that mattered most in our lives.

Macca3000 · 24-05-2010 11:45PM

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When Christian was telling Jack to just 'Let Go', I thought the writers were having a sly little dig at us all. But the more this thread rumbles on the more I think we really do just need to Let Go now.:)

Barry Doyle · 24-05-2010 11:46PM

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he ending of lost was brilliant greatest tv show ever

Elmo · 24-05-2010 11:48PM

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Macca3000 wrote: »

When Christian was telling Jack to just 'Let Go', I thought the writers were having a sly little dig at us all. But the more this thread rumbles on the more I think we really do just need to Let Go now.:)

We are just in the first stages of Morning the loss of the show. It comes in stages. Maybe we aren't ready to let go, maybe we are angry at the writers of how choose to deal with such an important matter like Jack's death.

Foxtrol · 24-05-2010 11:50PM

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Agamemnon wrote: »

Nail on head. I gave it an 8 because I thought it gave all the characters closure and resolved a lot of their issues. I gave up hope a few episodes ago of getting any proper answers to the many questions the plot raised - it's clear now that things like time travel were just added to the mix to pad out the story over six seasons.

Though I agree with the majority of your post I have to disagree with you on the time travel part. To quote myself from earlier on today in this thread:

Foxtrol wrote: »

On this I think the time travel was key to a lot of the story. Without time travel Locke wouldnt have gotten to the stage where he would have tried to kill himself, the others/Richard would not have thought that he was special & their leader (which helped MIB), Farady wouldnt have left his notebook back in time were Eloise could have it (know the rules of what happened happened and probably used it to build the lampost), the incident probably would happened, Ben would have never been brought to the others & put in the pool to revive him (possibly making him the way he is), we wouldnt have seen what happened to the French team, we wouldnt have a lot of information on Dharma. I'm sure theres more plot points from the time travel that iv missed but its far from filler.

Basq · 24-05-2010 11:51PM

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Elmo wrote: »

We are just in the first stages of Morning the loss of the show. It comes in stages. Maybe we aren't ready to let go, maybe we are angry at the writers of how choose to deal with such an important matter like Jack's death.

Ha.. you're really hung up on disliking the character of Jack, aren't you Elmo?

I don't know - I've certainly always enjoyed him as a character and I do think he gained a lot of fans after his performance in 'The Candidate'.

TheSpecialOne · 24-05-2010 11:51PM

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Loved the Ending im so happy they all moved on to a better place.Thank You Lost for some Great Memories.

On a side-note just two questions!
(1)--How did Kate shot MIB i thought he was invincible from all expect the Guarder of the Island..Jacob..Jack etc..
(2)--Remember when Jack Met Kate and Said "we have to go back"..where they alive when they got off the island or was that purgatory?I'm Assuming they where alive just would like clarification.

OO Lost i Love you!!

ibFoxer · 24-05-2010 11:52PM

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Have to say, having just watched "The End" again the last 10-15 minutes are probably some of the most moving & powerful scenes i have ever seen on television. As i stated earlier i think this was wrapped up just about perfect, a few gripes but then again if there was nothing left to talk about WE would have nothing left to talk about......

It's been a hell of a ride, and the interesting part for me now is going right back to the start with a new perspective.

Basq · 24-05-2010 11:54PM

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TheSpecialOne wrote: »

(1)--How did Kate shot MIB i thought he was invincible from all expect the Guarder of the Island..Jacob..Jack etc..

The removal of the cork / light / heart of the island (whatever you want to call it) made him human. As we saw when Jack punched FLocke / MiB, he bled.

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

(2)--Remember when Jack Met Kate and Said "we have to go back"..where they alive when they got off the island or was that purgatory?I'm Assuming they where alive just would like clarification.

Think of purgatory as being simply the flash-sideways introduced in season 6.

Foxtrol · 24-05-2010 11:55PM

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Elmo wrote: »

But the main character JACK was the most dull character ever created it was like they went into - lets say - a teen TV show and opted to take the older brother in a orphaned family, kill him off and put him on an Island. :rolleyes:

Thank god for the rest of the back stories from Kate, Locke and Sawyer and most of the rest of them. The series as a whole is poorer for not choosing any of the other characters as its main focus. and TBH Jack ended up being that focus on too many occasions.

Though I agree Jack probably is the "most dull" of those characters but his 180 turn from a man of science to a man of faith most embodies one of the key themes throughout the show, especially with the turnabout in Lockes character from the time Smokie took over.

Ann22 · 24-05-2010 11:55PM

I'm reading through this thread and finding some answers. I posted while I was experiencing a turmoil of emotions..I hadn't taken time to think about it properly.

Elmo · 24-05-2010 11:55PM

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basquille wrote: »

You're really hung up on disliking the character of Jack, aren't you Elmo?

I've always enjoyed him as a character and I do think he gained a lot of respect after his performance in 'The Candidate'.

Unlike the rest of the characters he isn't as rounded. He is the good doctor. He has very little background in the flash backs, his divorce etc are often filler for the rest of the characters.

Unlike Kate who helped her mother and was on the run, Locke who gave his kidney to his father only to be left in a wheelchair, Sawyer who was looking to find his the con man that cause the death of his father, Hurley's Lotto win for pure enjoyment and his insanity, Said and this work for the Iraq Army, The rock star and his drug problem etc etc etc.

While rest the end of the show on the worst character.

KP81 · 24-05-2010 11:56PM

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Lost was a once in a lifetime show. It's not meant to be about anything. Type "There's no place like home" and ""Lost" into Youtube. Listen and remember. Dorothy said it all really....:)

thorbarry · 24-05-2010 11:56PM

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so basically the sideway flashbacks was a place Jack created when he died, which enabled all the people to meet when they died. Some of them died at different points in time, who knows when sayer and kate etc died because they left the island. But when they did die eventually they went to this place. In this place they could all be together as "the time they spent on the Island was the most important time of their lifes" and together they could experience after life.

Is this right?

Edit: Sorry but I cant roam through 800+ posts :P

Basq · 24-05-2010 11:56PM

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Ann22 wrote: »

I'm reading through this thread and finding some answers. I posted while I was experiencing a turmoil of emotions..I hadn't taken time to think about it properly.

I recommend a lot of people to do the same.. as there's plenty of people who just aren't quite "getting" it (and by that, I mean the timeline and circumstances of purgatory).

Bob Z · 24-05-2010 11:57PM

Helix wrote: »

fcuking purgatory

they all died when the plane crashed in the first episode

that is PATHETIC

No i think some of them died on the island and some after them died after they left the island

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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]