[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

so am i to take it that they all died when they plane first crashed or what ??? sorry if this answer has been answered but i havnt the time to search through all the comments thanks.

As for the conclusion to the island story, I was fairly happy. I suspected for a while now that the big questions would never be answered (what is the smoke monster, what is the purpose of the island etc.) so I wasn't surprised at the lack of exposition. And this didn't really bother me, the explanations they give you never quite live up to your imagination anyway. Very pleased that Hurley became the new protector and that Jack fulfilled his role by making a the heroic sacrifice.

I was really glad to see Richard, Miles and Lapidus survive. Given the rate that characters have been bumped off recently I assumed they'd all get the chop in this episode since they were mostly redundant at this stage. They always seemed more, for lack of a better term, innocent to me than the main characters and so I was well pleased to see them live.

What did annoy me was the, in my opinion frivolous way the Smoke Locke character was dealt with. It seemed almost disrespectful at this stage to sweep him under the carpet like that by finishing him so swiftly. I mean he was the primary antagonist for this series and a major plot point for the whole show. Then wham, he becomes mortal and is dead, no more smoke, no more menacing invulnerability thats it, done. It just seemed way too rushed.



As for the FSW/afterlife, I loved it. I was pissed off at first but thinking about it afterward it made a lot of sense to me looking at the overall story as being about the people rather than the island. Especially from Jack's point of view considering the state of his life before the plane crash.


Also was anyone else expecting something like this to happen to Richard?

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why did he have to get killed ?? I dont think that made any sense in the end.

Yeh I agree. A lot of the time travel story line was just unnecessary. Almost like an entire season of filler.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

So in short what you are saying is:

Jacob: Not a breeze
Jack: not a breeze
MIB: not a breeze
Des: not a breeze but sure feck it ill take the plug out

Why is everyone so content with nobody actually having a breeze as to what the island is or why they are protecting it when all they are going on (seemingly) is the ramblings of a murderous Protector (Mother) who was in 1 episode of a 6 season run???!

That is basically what I'm saying (though its not all down to Mother). One of the key themes of the show Faith Vs Science. Jacks 180 turn from a man of science to a man of faith. All characters for differing reasons are believing due to something in their past.

The faith thing goes back to series one and entering the hatch and it can be seen throughout the rest of the show: To push the button or not, to leave the island or not, to go back to the island or not, to kill kid ben or not, to blow the H-bomb or not, to let the TNT blow up Richard or not, to let the timer of the bomb on the sub run out or not. There's plenty more examples of this struggle between what seems logical and trusting in faith. It's certainly nothing new to the show.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

really? Because when he was in the magical cave he said he believed they will go somewhere and he's seen/felt it. i.e. it was very clear (and in earlier episodes) that Des was aware of the 'truth' in both the FST and original timeline. which implies he caught glimpses of purgatory in his consciousness in the original timeline.

At the time he was being shot with a powerful electromagnetic thingy that had just killed a guy earlier so I dont find it too hard to believe that he could have had a near death experience that he put down to being an alternate reality.

Oh yeah, just to get you blubbing again:

Remember when Jack said "Live together, die alone"? Well, he didn't! We thought he was right when he fell down in that bamboo field, watching the others leave, but Vincent was there to see him off...damn, gotta stop chopping these onions *sniff*

dudeitshurley wrote: »

Why introduce a storytelling concept (that ultimately is nonsensical and pointless) to tell us about The Dharma Initiative (who equally and ultimately are pointless in the overall story!). Why devote a whole season to it? Not only devoting a season to it but, in the end, we were no closer to knowing anything about them. Other than how they lived on island, that they were conducting experiments etc. Completely nothing explained about how, when, why, where, who in DI knew so much about The Island. How did they find it, realised it's properties and how were they allowed do all these fancy experiments, like drilling The Swan, if the Protector is supposed to be protecting the Island from this exact sort of behaviour???

Dudeitshurley I really dont think we're gonna agree with most of the answers as I seem satisfied but you dont. What fun would life be if everyone agreed anyway?

On this I think the time travel was key to a lot of the story. Without time travel Locke wouldnt have gotten to the stage where he would have tried to kill himself, the others/Richard would not have thought that he was special & their leader (which helped MIB), Farady wouldnt have left his notebook back in time were Eloise could have it (know the rules of what happened happened and probably used it to build the lampost), the incident probably would happened, Ben would have never been brought to the others & put in the pool to revive him (possibly making him the way he is), we wouldnt have seen what happened to the French team, we wouldnt have a lot of information on Dharma. I'm sure theres more plot points from the time travel that iv missed but its far from filler.

As far as protecting the island I think thats why Dharma were purged in the end. Just like the people in Mothers time they were getting to close to the light and had to be stopped.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

seriously you cant keep a straight face whilst typing that? :P :P It's CRYSTAL clear

Des is talking about going to the FST. The smile on his face when he willingly goes with Sayid is 1 of not being afraid because he has an awareness of the FST/Purgatory and has no need to be afraid. Hence when he pulls the plug he panics and becomes afraid as he's not going to where he thought he was. I really think this has to be what is implied in those scenes.

Question remains how did he glimpse purgatory in this life.

Its obvious now that Juliet saw FST/Purgatory when she was dying. Des isnt as clear cut but he was tied to a chair and pumped full with EM that had a few minutes earlier killed a man. I'm pretty sure thats as close to a near death experience (and a look at Purgatory) that you can get. They both made the mistake in thinking that they had seen FST rather than themselves dying.

So who cried?
Damn hurley got me going when he was talking to jack when he was going to commit 'suicide'. Last time I cried over something like a tv show/movie was forest gump!

Read through about 13 pages before I just had to post... maybe I'll get around to reading up later. I'll have to watch again, and absorb it all... but I loved it.