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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • #662
    conor.hogan.2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


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    ''Dude - they guy was worse than yoda'' - epic epic Hurley.

    Richard wanted to live - walt was living his life - michael was on the island not able to move on - ana lucia was not ready - I doubt ecko was ready either or being as he was he skipped and passed straight on.

    Option 1.5/2.0

    The Island was sunk - we seen it. That may have changed or it may all be cyclical.

    Locke died - jack was thrown out of the light much like jacobs brother and then taken by smokie when he died.

    Maybe - open to interpretation, but if thats what happened hurley obviously fixed it and died sinking the island.


  • #663
    constitutionus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


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    bryanjf wrote: »
    So who cried?
    Damn hurley got me going when he was talking to jack when he was going to commit 'suicide'. Last time I cried over something like a tv show/movie was forest gump!

    no tears but did well up in a few places.

    the FST was REALLY well done. i loved how everyone seemed to organically come together and what it was that caused them individually to recall their experiences on the island and what they meant to each other. particularly when some knew ahead of others and had an "in joke" vibe going on

    must admit t'was great to see claire and charlie finally recall.

    oddly i was really touched by ben's reaction , was good to see him make his peace though

    i dont think this was the perfect ending but i was VERY happy with it.


  • #664
    Stuxnet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


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    TonyD79 wrote: »
    So you guys forgot Alberts visits to the mainland to recruit? Remember he was video taping Juliets sister back in season 3 for Ben? Id imagine he travelled around by plane a few times aswell as using the Sub.
    well i was taking the piss, but ya your right and it makes sense ~tnx


  • #665
    Citizenpain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


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    Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »
    Actually I think everyone was probably dead by then, seeing as Hurley and Ben were there. This is on the assumption that Ben and Hurley protected the island for a long time (i.e. decades at least)... so probably outlived Ricardo

    The island probably wasnt as special for Richard -- he probably passed on with his wife


  • #666
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


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    BOBBY wrote: »
    your theory is flawed, cos sawyer and co. only built the runway recently :D

    That doesn't mean he wasn't flying around the world. Just not to and from the island.
    BOBBY wrote: »
    lol touchè :pac:

    A lot of commercial airliners have thrust reversers which can be used to manoeuvre the aircraft on the ground. The Ajira 316 was supposedly a Boeing 737 which has this capability but due to safety reasons and the cost it is rarely done.


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  • #667
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


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    whiteman19 wrote: »
    wait a minute! when did desmond glimpse purgatory. just rewatched the scene where he unplugs the cork. he didn't glimpse anything there

    :confused:

    I presume he is taking it from the conversation in the scene between him and Jack outside the cave.

    Opr


  • #668
    RolandIRL
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    opr wrote: »
    I presume he is taking it from the conversation in the scene between him and Jack outside the cave.

    Opr
    no watched the finale with any bit with desmond in it. no point does desmond glimpse the purgatory.
    but i think he was actually on about when widmore blasted desmond with the EM coils (when widmore did his test on him). it switched to the FST then, i think. forgot about that - just focused on the finale :D


  • #669
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


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    whiteman19 wrote: »
    no watched the finale with any bit with desmond in it. no point does desmond glimpse the purgatory.
    but i think he was actually on about when widmore blasted desmond with the EM coils (when widmore did his test on him). it switched to the FST then, i think. forgot about that - just focused on the finale :D

    I am not saying we see him actually glimpse purgatory but in the conversation outside the cave with Jack its inferred.

    Opr


  • #670
    Also Starring LeVar Burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


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    Didn't get the chance to post earlier, but have just finished my second viewing of the finale and thought it was a fantastic ending...
    My initial reaction after the first viewing was one of uncertainty and shock, but once I had some time to let it sink in, I realised it was the best send off they could've given the show - amazing stuff...
    The Sawyer/Juliet reunion was probably one of the greatest scenes in the shows history - right up there with Des talking to Penny in The Constant...
    Especially brilliant performances from Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson, but thought everyone was great - can't fault anyone...
    And the final scene was poetry in motion - the perfect ending...
    My only gripe with the episode was that there was no appearance by Mr Eko and I was really expecting to see him since we'd seen nearly everyone else already this season... For that reason alone I gave the episode a 9 rather than a 10, but I'm probably being a bit petty there (it's only because Eko was my favourite character)...

    By the way, read through almost the entire thread before posting and the sheer amount of people coming on here and thinking that they've all been dead since season 1 and that none of the island stuff actually happened has made me lose the small bit of faith I had left in the intelligence of mankind... I hope when these people realise how wrong they are, that they'll feel incredibly ashamed... The ones continuously arguing that the characters have been dead since the Pilot, even after being shown evidence of the contrary, really were hit hard with the stupid stick and should not be allowed share opinions with anyone, ever... Sorry, rant over... Thought that needed to be said...


  • #671
    leedsfan88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭leedsfan88


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    Just to clarify, everyone is dead in the sidewards flashes, but the likes of hugo, ben, richard, lapedes, des, kate and sawyer are still alive in the present moment, because just read something on yahoo which said they were all dead the whole time.


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  • #672
    cokedrinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭cokedrinker


    tbh wrote: »
    pitching the series:

    writers:
    "there's this amazing island right, and it's in the middle of the ocean, and it's inhabited by all these supernatural characters, and it has amazing properties, polar bears, smoke monsters, the fountain of youth, ghosts, three-toed statutes and the ability to TRAVEL through FRICKEN TIME! - sounds great right???? and yeah so this is the story of what happens when this guy who's been on the island dies"

    Network guy: "well, hang on, tell me more about this island?"

    Writers: "don't worry about the island, it's what happens after the guy dies that's important."

    Haha, yea this ending isnt specific to LOST at all. I dont know what the writers were telling us for the first 5 seasons, but they end it with 'hmm heres an idea we have about what could happen when you die lol'.

    The Island created mystery - there were no rules, anything could happen, and we became so used to the ridiculous. This then allowed them to sneak in something as absurd as the FSW (couldnt do this in sopranos!), which actually becomes the endgame for LOST. The island got benched for this idea of 'what could happen when you die'.


  • #673
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


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    leedsfan88 wrote: »
    Just to clarify, everyone is dead in the sidewards flashes, but the likes of hugo, ben, richard, lapedes, des, kate and sawyer are still alive in the present moment, because just read something on yahoo which said they were all dead the whole time.

    This just made me burst out laughing as I had just read CaptainNegative's post.

    "Their is no time here" (I think that is the quote)

    Opr


  • #674
    leedsfan88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭leedsfan88


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    opr wrote: »
    This just made me burst out laughing as I had just read CaptainNegative's post.

    "Their is no time here" (I think that is the quote)

    Opr

    Sorry his post wasn't up when i went to post, also i was just looking to clarify what i thought was correct which was they were only all dead in the sidewards flashes only, but the yahoo thing suggested they were dead the whole time which was something i didn't agree with, i was just checking to make sure i was correct in my interpretation


  • #675
    RolandIRL
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    leedsfan88 wrote: »
    Sorry his post wasn't up when i went to post, also i was just looking to clarify what i thought was correct which was they were only all dead in the sidewards flashes only, but the yahoo thing suggested they were dead the whole time which was something i didn't agree with, i was just checking to make sure i was correct in my interpretation
    you are, despite those who think otherwise.


  • #676
    jobless
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭jobless


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    as a complete newbie to the forum what does FST stand for?...

    I loved the ending myself... wasnt actually annoyed as i thought i would be because i had accepted that they would not be revealing the secrets of the island...

    a couple of questions though....

    was faradays mother dead in the alternate timeline,,, she seemed to plead with desmond not to take him away from her...

    also what was the significance of the shoe hanging from the tree in the last scene?.... whos was it?


  • #677
    the_monkey
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    Sure it's been posted allready but

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10146072.stm


    according to this there is NO alternate Timeline ?? rather that this
    was the limbo between life and death ?



    So did JAck have a son then ??

    Was Sawyer really a cop ??? etc .....



    BAFFLED ...

    there will be university degrees out on the mythology of this show.


  • #678
    ParalysedBeaver
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Richard has been off island before, and may have flown at those times.

    I'm more interested in a jet engines reverse gear :)

    See Thrust Reversal


  • #679
    the_monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


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    jobless wrote: »
    as a complete newbie to the forum what does FST stand for?...

    QUOTE]

    FST = flash sideways timeline


  • #680
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


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    leedsfan88 wrote: »
    Sorry his post wasn't up when i went to post, also i was just looking to clarify what i thought was correct which was they were only all dead in the sidewards flashes only, but the yahoo thing suggested they were dead the whole time which was something i didn't agree with, i was just checking to make sure i was correct in my interpretation

    Don't worry I was being a bit of a dick purely because the two posts so close were amusing.

    This post much earlier in the thread spells out things simply.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66034916&postcount=123

    Opr


  • #681
    Stuxnet
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    3
    I predict a sharp rise in the sales of duct tape for the rest of the year


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  • #682
    seadnamac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


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    Christian says to Jack;

    "They're all real, everything that ever happened to you is real"

    How does this tie into what we saw in purgatory? He goes to see his son play piano, he operates on Locke, he flies on a plane, he does everyday mundane stuff.

    So is Jack to believe that this was all real, even though the consensus is that he was dead?

    Christian didn't make a distinction between the on island stuff and the FST stuff when he said it was all real.

    This is the line being used to generally to support the consensus that the island life was real and the FST was purgatory (I'm not neccessarily disagreeing by the way, before someone gets their knickers in a twist), but if everything that happened after Jack was dead was just as real as everything that happened before then, then the line between the two becomes a bit less clear in my opinion.


  • #683
    RolandIRL
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    jobless wrote: »
    as a complete newbie to the forum what does FST stand for?...

    I loved the ending myself... wasnt actually annoyed as i thought i would be because i had accepted that they would not be revealing the secrets of the island...

    a couple of questions though....

    was faradays mother dead in the alternate timeline,,, she seemed to plead with desmond not to take him away from her...

    also what was the significance of the shoe hanging from the tree in the last scene?.... whos was it?
    FST = Flash-sideways timeline (not really it anymore) - the purgatory bit that they've been experiencing - the what if the plane never crashed reality

    the FST they were all dead but found each other. eloise (faraday's mom) didn't want Faraday to move on as she wanted to spend more time with him (some other boardsies think this as well). she wasn't ready to move on without faraday,

    the shoe is reference to the pilot episode when Jack wakes up from the plane crash, we see a shoe hanging on a bamboo thing. it's just poetic - a way of things coming full circle - no other real significance. Lost ends where it all began 6 years ago
    hope that helps :)


  • #684
    the_monkey
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    I was thinking more and more about this today

    Pisses me off.

    S1 and S2 The others - these powerfull knowing people, seemed they
    could achieve anything and had limitless resources

    turns out - they knew nothing along with Ben their leader.

    Richard also, a character from s3 hinted to be someone who knew a lot - knew nothing.

    JAcob ??? why was Jacob hinted to be Christian from S3 in the cabin ??

    Also in S2 when they kidnapped Ben (IMO the best part of LOST mid to late S2) he says about Jacob
    "he'll never give you Walt " - Walt turns out to have no real impact on the
    wrap up of the series.

    "He is a Great man, but not a very forgiving man " - Ben never even seen Jacob, and its not like Jacob was a ruthless leader ! - writers just taking it on an episode by episode basis.

    Countless other points I can't think off, I think i might re watch s1-s4,
    remember when LOST was a great show ?



    Oh yeah , what ever happened Patchy ?


  • #685
    Mitch Connor
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    Just finished watching it. Loved it.

    No way was the entire thing purgatory.

    Christian said the most important time of Jacks LIFE was on the island. The flash sideways are purgatory imo - which is why they remember stuff from AFTER the island bits (Hugo says Ben was a great number two - it happened). People died AFTER Jack, some before him - the age you see them in the flash sideways is not an indication of when they died, just from when they all knew each other.

    Island DEF happened, flash sideways were purgatory.

    Also - Charlie saw his purgatory moment - and then gave Desmond his when he drove into the water - that is how Desmond knew. (Desmond said he was trying to help Locke 'Let go')

    Really liked it, and happy with how it ended. Loved it ending with Jack's eye closing. Nice.

    Again, Island stuff is real and happened.


  • #686
    jobless
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    whiteman19 wrote: »
    FST = Flash-sideways timeline (not really it anymore) - the purgatory bit that they've been experiencing - the what if the plane never crashed reality

    the FST they were all dead but found each other. eloise (faraday's mom) didn't want Faraday to move on as she wanted to spend more time with him (some other boardsies think this as well). she wasn't ready to move on without faraday,

    the shoe is reference to the pilot episode when Jack wakes up from the plane crash, we see a shoe hanging on a bamboo thing. it's just poetic - a way of things coming full circle - no other real significance. Lost ends where it all began 6 years ago
    hope that helps :)

    it does... thanks


  • #687
    clikityclak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭clikityclak


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    Gave it a solid 9. For someone who has watched and thouroughly enjoyed Lost since S1 I felt that, yes S6 was a bit of a cop out and obviously a way for the writers to wrangle their way out of such a complex storyline that they could never 'explain'. I'm all for the mysteries, but IMO the shows moral point was faith so we may just have to take all the mysteries of the island at face value and believe that they were just magical/supernatural or there as something for the characters to react to.

    Now the finale as has been said in all 45 pages of this thread(!) wrapped up the stories and journeys of the charachters nicely- some were not ready to move on from the created afterlife(the work of Hurley and Ben I'd like to believe). The rest as we saw in the church scene were all coming together with the people they had formed crucial relationships with on the island- where they grew(cheesy I know) as people and faced their own demons. Ben was still tormented on the island we can presume from his own misdemeanors in life- and also in the afterlife FST so he cannot move on and be at peace etc.
    I'm happy to think that the island life happened and they all met up in the afterlife- when their time came.
    Faith was perhaps the reason Jack was not killed instantly when he was plugging the light hole- he finally had faith in himself to so some good(similarly to Desmond) and faith saw him through a moment where he would have been killed by the energy. His journey was complete?? That makes sense in my head but maybe not while typing haha...
    So I gave the finale a 9-as a piece of television it was enjoyable but I'm still a bit miffed the lack of explanation for the crazy island happenings of the last 6 seasons. Ultimately I invested in the characters so the ending where they all live happily ever after in some universe was enough for me.

    must. get. off. boards. study. for. finals. :p


  • #688
    Omnipresence
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    What he said - exactly it:
    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Just finished watching it. Loved it.

    No way was the entire thing purgatory.

    Christian said the most important time of Jacks LIFE was on the island. The flash sideways are purgatory imo - which is why they remember stuff from AFTER the island bits (Hugo says Ben was a great number two - it happened). People died AFTER Jack, some before him - the age you see them in the flash sideways is not an indication of when they died, just from when they all knew each other.

    Island DEF happened, flash sideways were purgatory.

    Also - Charlie saw his purgatory moment - and then gave Desmond his when he drove into the water - that is how Desmond knew. (Desmond said he was trying to help Locke 'Let go')

    Really liked it, and happy with how it ended. Loved it ending with Jack's eye closing. Nice.

    Again, Island stuff is real and happened.


  • #689
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,372 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    seadnamac wrote: »
    Christian says to Jack;

    "They're all real, everything that ever happened to you is real"

    How does this tie into what we saw in purgatory? He goes to see his son play piano, he operates on Locke, he flies on a plane, he does everyday mundane stuff.

    So is Jack to believe that this was all real, even though the consensus is that he was dead?

    Christian didn't make a distinction between the on island stuff and the FST stuff when he said it was all real.

    This is the line being used to generally to support the consensus that the island life was real and the FST was purgatory (I'm not neccessarily disagreeing by the way, before someone gets their knickers in a twist), but if everything that happened after Jack was dead was just as real as everything that happened before then, then the line between the two becomes a bit less clear in my opinion.


    Christian did make a distinction. First he said Jack had died (so when he was talking to him in the 'FST' Jack was dead) and said the time on the island was the most important of his LIFE.

    He then went on to say 'this place' is where they all made to move on together.


  • #690
    opr
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    Just want to thank the earlier crowd as I enjoyed the banter earlier on today and this morning but it looks like things are going into hyper-drive and with the Irish airing not far from finishing I can see carnage in this thread lol, so that's me out for a bit!

    Opr


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  • #691
    RolandIRL
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    clikityclak wrote: »

    Now the finale as has been said in all 45 pages of this thread(!) wrapped up the stories and journeys of the charachters nicely- some were not ready to move on from the created afterlife(the work of Hurley and Ben I'd like to believe).
    Hurley and Ben didn't create the purgatory reality - Christian specifically said that it was a place they all created to find each other and move on into the light together.

    god so many people fail to hear that speech *sigh*
    it's shocking :eek:

    Edit: see ya later opr, good debating with ya :)


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