[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Spiritoftheseventies · 24-05-2010 12:51PM

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basquille wrote: »

I just don't understand people giving 1/10 when the episode was largely very coherent, action-packed and emotional. And it was a damn fine send-off!

Now, if you were unhappy with the closing scene / resolution.. sure, you'd dock it a couple of points but 1/10. Really?!

Anyways.. I'm not gonna bitch about unfair voting but I just wondered how this episode warranted a 1/10. I mean the amount of people who say "complete tripe" and "utter poo" then simply reference the ending. Was that your only problem with the episode, or was the 1/10 rating your experience of the show as a whole?

It just baffles me!

At same time Basquile I think the amount of tens being given out is way above what the episode deserves as well. I gave it a seven and was being generous there.
Compare it with other season endings it didnt rate as highly.Was always curious to see how Jack and Kate got on as a couple off the island and it was never explained. The whole thing with his breakdown should have been given more time.
The minute they introduced the time travel they were in trouble. It was if they tore up the storyline and started from scratch.
This is not how I envisaged the ending would be at all.

Marcaiocht_Tonn · 24-05-2010 12:53PM

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Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Was always curious to see how Jack and Kate got on as a couple off the island and it was never explained. The whole thing with his breakdown should have been given more time.

If I remember correctly, I think this was fairly well-covered in the flash-forward and flash-backs spanning the 3 years off-island. Didn't Jack begin his road to ruin when he saw Locke's death notice, having just by then realised he himself needed to go back? This also ruined his relationship with Kate.

lintdrummer · 24-05-2010 12:54PM

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I gave it a 10.

I didn't read into lost as much as some did, I just stuck with it and enjoyed every moment of it.

Through the years it has kept me on the edge of my seat and I kept coming back for more.

This finale was the most powerful piece of television I've seen in a long long time. I'm not one to cry but I blubbered at least 4 times watching this.

It was perfect, full of emotion and wrapped everything up nicely.
A lot is left unexplained but at least it was real! They could easily have made it all a dream or non reality. The island was mysterious, the show was mysterious. That's what made it so good. I don't need them to explain everything. Where's the fun in that?

And for those that do want answers and aren't satisfied...

I think it's time to "move on".

Thanks lost, you will be missed.

Bulktohulk · 24-05-2010 12:58PM

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Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »

People keep posting that the characters found out they were dead all along. You need to understand that this is incorrect. I think you'll enjoy the episode a lot more if you re-watch it and take this into account. I bet this is where some of the 1/10's are coming from.

They're dead in the FST, yes, but that's taking place well after the main story arc of Lost.

Regarding Des leaving the island, his boat was still there. Being a competent sailor he'd have no problem (given the right bearing).

Exactly. What I did afterwards is seperate the flash-zombie part of the finale from the on island stuff. Treat the on island stuff as the finale story and it's pretty epic what happens, that's the proper story. Then the flash-zombie is to conclude the character arcs, give the fans something they'll love, and injecting a bit of happiness into what would have been a rather grim ending ( only kate,sawyer,claire,desmond,richard,miles,frank get off the island, hurley and ben stay and everyone else is dead).

Frankly, I would have liked a little more 'answers' in the episode, but not just for the sake of them. Just so the whole episode didn't revolve around the flash-zombie. It was a cool and emotional episode but I can't help but think a walt scene and outrigger shooting scene would have added to it overall.

I have to admit,when I saw the claire/charlie reunion I was almost in tears. I had been praying for something similar to happen for 3 seasons since Charlie's demise.

For people screaming that they didn't answer anything in the finale, well they've been answering things for the last 5 years.

-The whispers were dead people trapped on the island
-The numbers were jacob's candidates
-The button was to contain the electromagnetic force after the incident ocured
-The others were those over the years who had landed on the island(they weren't candidates but could have arrived with a candidate,just down to bad luck)
-The 'ghosts' were jacob and MIB
-The dharma initiative was researching the electromagnetic properties of the island
-Aaron wasn't special, the psychic dude was a fraud
-Desmond crashed 815, Jacob made sure his candidates were on the plane.

At the end of the day there was very little left unanswered. Yes, the smoke monster wasn't explained in full but they're hardly going to give a mathemathical formula on how the electromagnetism turned MIB into it. They showed how it was created, which is enough for me.

9/10 episode for me. It could have been slightly better, they could have thrown in a few more fun things but overall I loved the direction they took.

Resi12 · 24-05-2010 12:58PM

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Sorry if this was already asked/already gone through but what was that shoe shown for when Jack was stumbling to die?

Dymo · 24-05-2010 12:58PM

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basquille wrote: »

I just don't understand people giving 1/10 when the episode was largely very coherent, action-packed and emotional. And it was a damn fine send-off!

Now, if you were unhappy with the closing scene / resolution.. sure, you'd dock it a couple of points but 1/10. Really?!

Anyways.. I'm not gonna bitch about unfair voting but I just wondered how this episode warranted a 1/10.
It just baffles me!

Ahem,

basquille wrote:

In many of the episode discussion threads recently, there has been an overwhelming number of posts complaining about how people are voting on the polls (i.e that too many people are voting high for a mediocre episode).

At first, it was a comment here and there but has become more and more frequent as of late. So i'm putting a stop to it here-and-now:
Anyone who comments on "unfair" or "unrealistic" ratings in the episode discussion polls will be banned without question.

It may be harsh but it makes episode discussion threads recently messy and usually ends up in a heated argument between forum members.

Well you did write it

tbh · 24-05-2010 01:00PM

If you thought that "Lost" was about a mysterious island that some people landed on, you'd give the finale a '1'

If you thought that "Lost" was about some people that landed on a mysterious island, you'd give the finale a '10'

I started off thinking it was the former. I'm now rewatching it, realising it's the latter.

Bulktohulk · 24-05-2010 01:00PM

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Resi12 wrote: »

Sorry if this was already asked/already gone through but what was that shoe shown for when Jack was stumbling to die?

It was there in the first episode when Jack woke up. They were just mirroring that.

dudeitshurley · 24-05-2010 01:01PM

Mark Kermode (film critic) always judges comedies by the amount of genuine LOL moments in them. 5 is a funny film, 2 is meh. If i'm to judge this Finale by a similar critique but replacing laugh with cry, then it's simply a 10/10.

Certain scenes resonated with me so deeply and were unbelievably touching. To be so moved by them means the writers did an amazing job in character development over the complete run. Hell, even in the Finale they managed to redeem Kate and make people care about her. (on a seperate note, the Finale should get 10/10 alone for the fact they stuck Kate in a black dress for large parts of it).

The realisation moments were uniformly BRILLIANT in different ways; each touching, moving and sublimely acted & executed. I think my favourite would be Kate & Claire, with the worst being Sayid & Shannon (seemed shoe-horned to me as really Nadia was the love of his life).

Right, simple answer is this: if i vote on this thread, which im debating, i will give it 10 as i'm gonna to rate it purely as a character-driven episode. I know people praise Giachinos scores regularly but this one was mesmeric. Absolutely brilliant music.

And in the now famous words of Simon Cowell:

I'll Tell You What I Didn't Like

- The blatant rip off ending from Titanic.

- Not only ZERO answers but a smug indication that none actually mattered in the 1st place.

Here's the part: we care about the characters enormously, i cried like a baby, so to pay that off is fine. BUT we (well I) care about them framed through their experiences on the Island with dharma, smokie, the others, etc etc etc. None of those concepts were paid off in a satisfactory manner or frankly at all.

- The fact that Richards wife was not in the funeral scene at the end. Surely she cant 'move on' without him. The fact Locke's Helen was not there. So it's purely 'love' formed on the island?

- The FST being purgatory. Ok i'm gonna stick my neck out and say it's a cop-out. Why? Well they denied it being purgatory for so many years. Turns out on-island events are not purgatory. So no fibs there. But the end pay-off is still a similar situation in that it invokes the Purgatory-Heaven-Hell triangle.

Bending the truth is not lying but it's not big and it's not clever.

I'll add more later. For what it was 10/10. For the legacy it leaves....well....less than 10/10. All things considered thanks for the show Darlton and thanks for giving me something to watch and debate for 6 years.

Basq · 24-05-2010 01:02PM

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Dymo wrote: »

Well you did write it

There's a difference between complaining about the number of people who voted high and low, and simply wanting more of a discussion as to why you thought it warranted a 10 or a 1.

I just wanted to know the reasoning why people thought it deserved a 1 - was it simply the ending, your experience of the show as a whole or the whole episode was simply THAT bad.

I gave my reasons, as did others, as to why they thought it warranted a high number. I'm just not a big fan of seeing "utter sh*te.. 1/10."

Where's the discussion in that?

Resi12 · 24-05-2010 01:03PM

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Bulktohulk wrote: »

It was there in the first episode when Jack woke up. They were just mirroring that.

I thought as much but thank you anyway! Hope you liked it as much as me, questions un-answered left aside that is.

Bulktohulk · 24-05-2010 01:05PM

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Resi12 wrote: »

I thought as much but thank you anyway! Hope you liked it as much as me, questions un-answered left aside that is.

I posted a little mini review a few posts up. I really don't think there were many unanswered questions. I'll have a full review done soon anyway.

Spiritoftheseventies · 24-05-2010 01:05PM

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basquille wrote: »

There's a difference between complaining about the number of people who voted high and low, and simply wanting more of a discussion as to why you thought it warranted a 10 or a 1.

I just wanted to know the reasoning why people thought it deserved a 1 - was it simply the ending, your experience of the show as a whole or the whole episode was simply THAT bad.

I gave my reasons, as did others, as to why they thought it warranted a high number. I'm just not a big fan of seeing "utter sh*te.. 1/10."

Where's the discussion in that?

Agree there. Nothing wrong with discussing too high or too low ratings. It wasnt a one but certainly wasnt a ten either.
Only way to judge if its a perfect ten is to compare it with other season finales. And dont think it rates as good.
Last one was not that brilliant either. The middle two ie three and four were my favourites.

artvandulet · 24-05-2010 01:11PM

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Melion wrote: »

Absolutely brilliant until the last 10 minutes!!!!!!!!!!
Then they went for the biggest cop-out in TV history.

What was a cop out???

Marcaiocht_Tonn · 24-05-2010 01:11PM

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The fact Locke's Helen was not there. So it's purely 'love' formed on the island?

Actually that's interesting. Here's where it gets confusing. We saw lots of loving scenes between Locke and Helen, but that was the FST. Isn't it the case that in reality, i.e. pre-island, they never reached that stage of a relationship, or at the very least their relationship failed because of his constant pursuit of his father? Hmm I might be wrong there.

Also was Richard at the funeral?

Sherifu · 24-05-2010 01:12PM

basquille wrote: »

utter sh*te.. 1/10.

Pretty much my reaction after seeing how the finale played out. Thanks for saving me from typing it out.

Spiritoftheseventies · 24-05-2010 01:13PM

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Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »

Actually that's interesting. Here's where it gets confusing. We saw lots of loving scenes between Locke and Helen, but that was the FST. Isn't it the case that in reality, i.e. pre-island, they never reached that stage of a relationship, or at the very least their relationship failed because of his constant pursuit of his father? Hmm I might be wrong there.

Also was Richard at the funeral?

Dont think so as he hadnt died yet. But grey hair showed the aging process had begun.

Marcaiocht_Tonn · 24-05-2010 01:14PM

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Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Dont think so as he hadnt died yet. But grey hair showed the aging process had begun.

Actually I think everyone was probably dead by then, seeing as Hurley and Ben were there. This is on the assumption that Ben and Hurley protected the island for a long time (i.e. decades at least)... so probably outlived Ricardo

FreudianSlippers · 24-05-2010 01:15PM

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I voted right after watching the episode and gave it 5/10. I thought it was good until the last 10 mins really - probably mainly because I didn't grasp that FSW was in the future an indefinite period of time after they all died. I should have copped it way before that though when Sun and Jin see themselves dieing in the sub (probably in a previous episode tbh - eg Charlie seeing his own death).
But it wasn't really until I remembered Hugo saying to Ben "you were a good #2" and Ben's reply of "you were a great #1" that it clicked - Hugo went on for possibly thousands of years protecting the island with Ben and it's just that they're eventually dead and meeting their friends to ride of to valhalla together at a time (sometime around now) that they all remember - aka their original time.

I think that had I believed that nothing was real (including the island stuff) then I would definitely have voted 1/10. But the fact that some people got off, dead people are still dead (original timeline) and the island still exists (for how long... maybe Hurley has his own candidates?) really makes sense to me.

I did enjoy the show and I still have a few questions (eg so the island just IS magical place of smoke monsters and people can be ageless etc.) I think it was a fitting finale and if I could I'd change my vote to 9/10.

Just one prevailing question - could Jack be still alive when he lies down in the forrest? Is he fJack / whatever is left of MIB that was good? Jack killed the 'evil' that was in MIB, but because Jack went down for good maybe he is a nice smoke monster (a weapon to protect the island). Jack is dead just like Locke was dead - MIB just has a new body (Jack's).

abelard · 24-05-2010 01:16PM

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Foxtrol wrote: »

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/lost-if-you-come-with-me-ill-show-you-what-i-mean.html

The best review of the Finale and Series that I've read so far.

excellent writing, thanks for posting

JDee · 24-05-2010 01:19PM

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A great read

The Ending Explained in Simple Terms by Brett

Dark UFO article

It seems like a lot of people are confused about the ending, I was not, assuming I am correct about it, here is an easy explanation.

Season 1 - They all crashed. All the characters we knew and loved the last 6 years DID NOT DIE HERE! I repeat, they did not die here.

Season 2 - Stuff happened

Season 3 - Stuff happened

Season 4 - Stuff happened

Season 5 - Stuff happened

Amongst this stuff, lots of people died!

Season 6 - Let's ignore the alt. universe.

More people died. At the end, the Hurley is the new Jacob, the new protector of the island. He may be there for thousands of years, but eventually he will die. Ben is his sidekick, the new Richard, he may be there for thousands of years, and eventually he will die. Desmond is with them, but Hurley will get him off the island, he is the new Jacob, he has powers. Eventually he will die.

Jack died (with Vincent, Matthew Fox's dog in real life, laying next to him, so ****ing sad). Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard all flew off the island. Let's assume they lived happily ever after, but eventually, they all died too. Everyone dies! That's life for ya, death and taxes are the only two sure things.

Now this is where the opening of Season 6 starts, once everyone is dead. They are all in purgatory. It all begins in the plane because this is where the most important part of their lives began, where they met the most important people they would ever meet, Oceanic Flight 815.

Problem though is, they are dead but not at peace. They all can't move on. They all miss each other. There are too many stones yet unturned. Too many sins not atoned for.

Charlie tried to kill himself, but he couldn't die, he was already dead! When he saw this, he then had a flash of what meant most to him while he was alive . . . Claire. He opens the door for Desmond, and Desmond opened the door for everyone else. Every person had to realize what they all had been through, the giant adventure. They had to see all the sacrifices they made, all the things they did, the HELL they went through, and they had to see it together. Jack was just the last one to figure it out in the afterlife.

Ben couldn't move on just yet. Having Hurley give him a thumbs up and Locke forgiving him wasn't enough. He killed his dad, he killed his daughter, he killed all of Dharmaville! He wasn't ready yet, he needed to atone.

Everyone else though, they were sitting in the church, much like passengers in the plane, and the two most important people, Jack and Locke, were in the front row, on a flight to their ultimate peace.

That was the tv show LOST! It was an adventure about a group of people who were alone, they had no one, they were dubbed a tremendous responsibility, and they were all LOST. In the end, after they saved the world, after they made sacrifices, they were all together in the end, no longer alone, no longer LOST.

And that is why it is the greatest show ever

.

Jimdagym · 24-05-2010 01:22PM

2 questions. If they were all meeting up when they were finally ready to move on, why was jack central. The church was like his funeral almost. Others died later but he had the big entrance, the front seat etc. And also why was everyone represented at the age they were when jack died, even though some died much much later?

James Forde · 24-05-2010 01:23PM

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please someone explain one thing to me, they all didn't die in the original crash?

JDee · 24-05-2010 01:25PM

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bryanjf wrote: »

please someone explain one thing to me, they all didn't die in the original crash?

No!

James Forde · 24-05-2010 01:26PM

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JDee wrote: »

No!

thank god, was starting to panic there, just finished watching it, awesome sheer awesome

prinz · 24-05-2010 01:26PM

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Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »

Also was Richard at the funeral?

Richard probably met his wife and had his own reawakening intervention.

tbh · 24-05-2010 01:26PM

bryanjf wrote: »

please someone explain one thing to me, they all didn't die in the original crash?

no, and that's what makes it so frustrating for me. All they did was answer the question that was raised in this season: what is the "flash-sideways" world about? Everything that happened on the island is real, and unexplained. As i said earlier, the show wasn't about the island, it was about what happened to them while they were on the island.

Spiritoftheseventies · 24-05-2010 01:27PM

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Wasnt Nadia supposed to be the love of Sayid's life. Why did he end up with Shannon?

Jimdagym · 24-05-2010 01:27PM

2 questions. If they were all meeting up when they were finally ready to move on, why was jack central. The church was like his funeral almost. Others died later but he had the big entrance, the front seat etc. And also why was everyone represented at the age they were when jack died, even though some died much much later?

Gillie · 24-05-2010 01:28PM

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Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Wasnt Nadia supposed to be the love of Sayid's life. Why did he end up with Shannon?

Coz he fell in love with her on the island i guess?

[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]