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Hit and Run

  • 10-05-2010 6:29pm
    #1
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭


    I did something very stupid last week.

    I was driving out of an underground carpark, when I hit a brand new big parked jeep moderately hard. I'd never hit a car before and I was so shocked that I drove on, pulled in on the side of the road and tried to decide what to do. I was too scared to go back. I know it's no excuse but iIm fairly young and I was just terrified of what I'd just done.

    I know this was a really stupid thing to do and I knew they'd find me with the CCTV cameras in the carpark, I wasn't thinking straight.

    This was hanging over me all this week, I was so worried, more about the hit and run aspect than anything else.

    Sure enough today a guard called to my door to say he was investigating a hit and run and to confirm was I the owner of the vehicle at that time.

    I said I was and told him straight out what happened. I asked was I in serious trouble and he just said 'no, not if you did much damage'. And just said he'd call me.

    I'm so worried now I am shaking. does anyone know what the maximum is I could get for a hit and run, is it a fine or jail? I can't find the info anywhere. I just feel so scared, I've never been in trouble before.


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  • #2
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    No idea really, Id imagine you/your insurance will be liable for any damage caused...further to that though I wouldnt think your in too much trouble.


  • #3
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    As the victim of such an incident a few years ago, I'm all for the death penalty.


  • #4
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Absurdum wrote: »
    As the victim of such an incident a few years ago, I'm all for the death penalty.

    Absurdum honest to God I'm so sorry about it. If know how you feel - if it was my car i'd be raging. Fear makes you do stupid things.


  • #5
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    Absurdum wrote: »
    As the victim of such an incident a few years ago, I'm all for the death penalty.

    Oh FFS


  • #6
    Kepti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Kepti


    Once the initial panic wore off, it would have been a great idea to go report it to the guards before they came looking for you. The fact that you didn't makes it look like you were hoping that you wouldn't be caught.

    You're not going to get jail so don't worry about that.

    edit: You should start writing a lengthy, heartfelt apology to the owner of the jeep.


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  • #7
    The Big Red Button
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭The Big Red Button


    If it happened in an underground carpark rather than a public road, I doubt it'll become a criminal matter at all?!

    I'd imagine you'll just be liable for the damage to their car, which I'm sure you'll agree is fair enough, I mean it wouldn't be right at all for them to have to go paying to get it fixed! It's not something I'd personally want hanging over my head anyways! :)

    Don't stress out too much about it anyways, I'd imagine your insurance company will handle it (unless it's very minor damage and you'd rather pay it yourself), just learn from the whole thing and move on! :)


  • #8
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    apart from the hit on your Insurance the worst that could happen would be a fine for failing to report an accident/remain at the scene and posibly some points. You should inform your Insurance Co if you didnt already.


  • #9
    langdang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭langdang


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I'm so worried now I am shaking. does anyone know what the maximum is I could get for a hit and run, is it a fine or jail? I can't find the info anywhere. I just feel so scared, I've never been in trouble before.
    If you were steaming drunk and mowed down a person you still wouldn't be guaranteed to go to jail so I wouldn't worry about jail for a bit of material damage that can be fixed through insurance...


  • #10
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Kepti wrote: »
    Once the initial panic wore off, it would have been a great idea to go report it to the guards before they came looking for you. The fact that you didn't makes it look like you were hoping that you wouldn't be caught.

    You're not going to get jail so don't worry about that.

    edit: You should start writing a lengthy, heartfelt apology to the owner of the jeep.

    Yeah I totally should of, and the stupid thing was I knew they were going to find me anyway! Cameras everywhere. I don't know what I was thinking.

    And chatterpillar of course I'll pay for the damage, Im just worried there are serious repurcussions for a hit and run. At least it's not jail anyway, I was starting to really panic!

    I will write him a letter and tell him I was terrified and I'm so sorry. A big lesson learnt for me.


  • #11
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Don't worry. It's just metal and paint at the end of the day. No person was hurt.
    It was bad of you to not stop and give your details.
    Get in touch and apologise then let the insurance companies sort it between them.


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  • #12
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Yeah I totally should of, and the stupid thing was I knew they were going to find me anyway! Cameras everywhere. I don't know what I was thinking.

    And chatterpillar of course I'll pay for the damage, Im just worried there are serious repurcussions for a hit and run. At least it's not jail anyway, I was starting to really panic!

    I will write him a letter and tell him I was terrified and I'm so sorry. A big lesson learnt for me.

    atleast you got caught and will pay , so many others would run and it would never be found, im glad the cctv was there and was used, next time it happens please have the human decency to stay there and provide your details


  • #13
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    atleast you got caught and will pay , so many others would run and it would never be found, im glad the cctv was there and was used, next time it happens please have the human decency to stay there and provide your details

    I'm glad I was caught aswell. The not knowing what was going to happen was the worst part. Believe me I will never, ever do this again!


  • #14
    bmw535d
    Registered Users Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭bmw535d


    why didn't you have the decency to own up straight away.sounds like you tried to get away with it until the guard showed up then you knew it was game up and confessed

    i hate when some a**hole opens his/her door and smacks it on mine in a car park and walks on wile im not there..just because their car is a piece of **** and they don't care shouldn't mean they can just brush it off and walk away

    rant over


  • #15
    Barr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Barr


    Garda rarely follow through on a prosection if the damage is sorted and liability excepted.

    Tell your insurance company so they can get the ball rolling.


  • #16
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    bmw535d wrote: »
    why didn't you have the decency to own up straight away.sounds like you tried to get away with it until the guard showed up then you knew it was game up and confessed

    i hate when some a**hole opens his/her door and smacks it on mine in a car park and walks on wile im not there..just because their car is a piece of **** and they don't care shouldn't mean they can just brush it off and walk away

    rant over

    You can't make me feel worse that I do about it already. I'm my own judge, I know it was a s*it thing to do and I'm sorry.

    I'm not lying - I was sitting at the side of the road thinking I have to go back, I have to go back. And then I just couldn't I was so scared.

    It was an idiotic thing to do.

    Thans for all the advice everyone, you've given me a bit of piece of mind.


  • #17
    Ryan T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Ryan T


    Can we give the op a break- has learned a lesson and worse will happen

    Don't worry contact the owner and apologise you'll feel better


  • #18
    dirtydiesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭dirtydiesel


    Whats done is done and you cant change that, its what you do next that counts.
    You should ring your insurance company and tell them what happened.
    Do write a letter of apology to the owner.
    Pay for the repairs.
    Put it down to experience, things happen, its not the end of the world,
    Your not going to jail or anything like that, worse end would be a fine but your more likely to get a severe warning from the guard dealing with it.


  • #19
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Absurdum wrote: »
    As the victim of such an incident a few years ago, I'm all for the death penalty.


    I also was the victim in a hotel car park. Luckily a observant bouncer got her reg. I made a statment to the gardai and eventually i got paid for damage. I was given the option of pursueing the matter to court but i declined. I would recommend a letter op or a call in person either.


  • #20
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    SARASON wrote: »
    I also was the victim in a hotel car park. Luckily a observant bouncer got her reg. I made a statment to the gardai and eventually i got paid for damage. I was given the option of pursueing the matter to court but i declined. I would recommend a letter op or a call in person either.

    Whilst my original reply was tongue-in-cheek, I wasn't so lucky. A neighbour got the reg of the car but the Gardai never bothered following it up, it happened outside my house and my car was written off. The driver had no licence, tax, insurance or NCT. There were 3 children playing about one metre from where my car ended up after being hit. I had to claim off my own insurance as the other driver couldn't be located even though his passenger lived down the road from me.


  • #21
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Absurdum wrote: »
    Whilst my original reply was tongue-in-cheek, I wasn't so lucky. A neighbour got the reg of the car but the Gardai never bothered following it up, it happened outside my house and my car was written off. The driver had no licence, tax, insurance or NCT. There were 3 children playing about one metre from where my car ended up after being hit. I had to claim off my own insurance as the other driver couldn't be located even though his passenger lived down the road from me.

    :eek::eek: Sorry to hear that.. All i had was a deep scratch covering two doors. It only cost 700 euro but i wasnt letting it go on a 60k car. I do feel sorry for this op as she seems to be genuine whilst the people that hit you were only scumbags.


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  • #22
    mcbobbyb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭mcbobbyb


    Lesson learned. Leave it at that!!


  • #23
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I'm glad I was caught aswell. The not knowing what was going to happen was the worst part. Believe me I will never, ever do this again!

    Good, a lesson learned! I'm sure the owner of the jeep will understand.


  • #24
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    You're brave posting this here.

    Regardless, sorry but don't have much sympathy tbh. Apart from the cost its the whole hassle of getting fixed, and it will probably not match the colour exactly and then most likely fade differently.


  • #25
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    I'm sure the owner of the jeep will understand.
    I'm not, I think it's quite possible that they will want the OP charged. Were it not for the Gardaí they'd never have seen their money back.


  • #26
    ash_18x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭ash_18x


    a few years back I came back to my car in a car park to discover a jeep or something had driven into the side of it, cost over €500 at the time to repair it, nobody seen anything and no cameras. it came out of my own pocket and like someone else said it just didnt look the same after it had been fixed.....

    it really bugs me when this sh*t happens but you seem to have learnt your lesson, if you had just left your number or something on the windscreen it could have been sorted by now rather than you spending a week or whatever worrying about it. but anyway at least it is getting sorted now.

    sorry i havent much sympathy for you but at least the guy in the jeep was lucky to have got you on cctv!!


  • #27
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I'm not, I think it's quite possible that they will want the OP charged. Were it not for the Gardaí they'd never have seen their money back.
    I have to agree. Awhile back a woman bumped my car in Superquinn while I was loading the shopping. She just drove off. I didn't catch her reg plate. CCTV didn't catch her.

    Now she may be very sorry, somewhere, but that doesn't pay the bill for the damage. I've to foot that. On the back of that experience I've very little sympathy for anyone who drives off.

    That said - I appreciate thats not what this threads about. My point is that if I had managed to get that womans reg plate - I'd be looking to presue her to the full extent of the law; because she drove off I'd be looking for the guards to press charges (if possible). If she'd stayed, I'd have been sound about it.

    I imagine the owner of the jeep feels the same way.

    Put yourself in their shoes. They came back to their jeep to find someone has hit it. No insurance details left on the window. Nothing. So pissed off they contact the owner of the car park for CCTV footage. The owner won't give this out except to the Guards, so they go down to the Garda station to report the incident. Then they go about their day seething. They then wait for the guards to contact the owners of the car park & review the footage. The guards ring them back saying the have the CCTV footage of the "hit & run", what do they want to do...

    I know how I feel. How would you?

    Midlandmissus - there's lots of things you should have done, but thats in the past now. Write a very sincere letter of apology. And in future - act like an adult & take responsibility for your actions.


  • #28
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    I also believe that Karma can often play its part in these things too.


  • #29
    Mr.David
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Mr.David


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I also believe that carma can often play its part in these things too.


    Yeah I'd reckon it was a combination of Karma and that sacrifice to the gods made by the Jeep owner that resulted in the OP getting caught :rolleyes:

    For 'Karma' please read 'CCTV'


  • #30
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I also believe that Karma can often play its part in these things too.
    I'd love to believe that aswell, however, if leaves me wondering what crime I committed to deserve getting bumped? :confused:
    Or what saintly good deed she did to get to bump my car & get away with it.
    I'm skeptical. :(


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  • #31
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Mr.David wrote: »
    Yeah I'd reckon it was a combination of Karma and that sacrifice to the gods made by the Jeep owner that resulted in the OP getting caught :rolleyes:

    For 'Karma' please read 'CCTV'

    If someone damages someone else’s car and dose not report it they should not be too surprised or upset if they find the same happening to ther own car.


  • #32
    Chippy01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Chippy01


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I did something very stupid last week.

    I'd never hit a car before and I was so shocked that I drove on, pulled in on the side of the road and tried to decide what to do. I was too scared to go back. I know it's no excuse but iIm fairly young and I was just terrified of what I'd just done.


    I'm so worried now I am shaking. does anyone know what the maximum is I could get for a hit and run, is it a fine or jail? I can't find the info anywhere. I just feel so scared, I've never been in trouble before.


    Hmmm, the first thing anyone 'normally' does after hitting something in their car is to stop, get out and check their own vehicle's damage.
    The fact that you didn't even do that makes me wonder if you are a fully licensed driver, or a provisional driver without the mandatory fully licensed passenger?


  • #33
    neilthefunkeone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭neilthefunkeone


    SARASON wrote: »
    :I do feel sorry for this op as she seems to be genuine whilst the people that hit you were only scumbags.

    While i wouldnt bundle the OP in with scumbags, i wouldnt exactly call her genuine.. Drove into another car damaging it. drove off without the honesty or decency to admit to it.. Sat at home hoping it would go away.. Then come on a message board to "clear her conscience"...

    I personally would be well pissed.. I reversed into a neighbors car early one morning.. i checked and i had dented the door quite badly.. no paint transfer could have drove off and said nothing but i didnt..

    The girl that reversed into Joe Duffy didnt get off so easy.. iirc...


  • #34
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I'd never hit a car before and I was so shocked that I drove on, pulled in on the side of the road and tried to decide what to do.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055901816

    Sorry, couldn't help myself.:)


  • #35
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Grow up OP. :rolleyes:


  • #36
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Anan1 wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055901816

    Sorry, couldn't help myself.:)
    Zulu wrote: »
    Grow up OP. :rolleyes:

    What just happened? :confused:


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  • #37
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    So much for "panicked because I never hit a car before".
    Topper Harley wrote: »
    What just happened?

    Second time the OP's hit a car, only this time she was hoping she'd get away with it without anyone seeing. Fingers crossed she gets done for driving without a license (I'm guessing from the ineptitude) as well as leaving the scene of an accident and her Ladystar insurance premiums go up.


  • #38
    Redisle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭Redisle


    So it looks like the op crashed twice in the space of two weeks??

    Some people really shouldn't be allowed to drive..


  • #39
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Topper Harley wrote: »
    What just happened? :confused:
    The OP was caught either a) trolling or b) being devoid of responsibility.

    Neither one is cool to anyone over the age of of 12.


  • #40
    djimi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I'm not, I think it's quite possible that they will want the OP charged. Were it not for the Gardaí they'd never have seen their money back.

    I have to go along with this tbh. While the OP seems to be genuinely sorry and keen to make amends, the owner of the jeep does not know this, and if it was me and some little toerag hit the side of my car and drove off (which has happened to me more than once) Id want them prosecuted as fully as possible.

    Im sorry OP, I dont want to drill in the point and it does sound like you have learned your lesson, but you are at the mercy of the jeep driver as to what happens next. You wont go to jail or anything like that, but they could choose to persue it further. I would.


  • #41
    Raiser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Redisle wrote: »
    So it looks like the op crashed twice in the space of two weeks??

    Some people really shouldn't be allowed to drive..

    The two crashes were in very close proximity last week by my reading of events.

    In one case the Cab Driver was fortunate enough to collar her before she made her getaway and in the other she felt scared cause she knew she would be caught and thankfully was.

    Most People that are trying to get away with stuff are scared of being caught OP.

    - At an educated guess from the sig I'd say one of the biggest fears was having to open her wallet to pay up for her Bumper-car hobbies.


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  • #42
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Anan1 wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055901816

    Sorry, couldn't help myself.:)
    Maybe it's the same car?


  • #43
    Gooseygoosey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Gooseygoosey


    Oh my goodness....I have never seen Boards people so nice and considerate to a person in this type of situation....normally there would be wielding of pitchforks and baying for blood.
    Now please bear in mind that I am a woman saying this and I think that everybody was so nice as they read her name, saw she was a woman and the "sure God love her" attitude was taken. It's a bit like the Gay Byrne talking to Sinead O'Connor all those years ago on the Late Late Show. She crashed into somebody's car, damaged it to the point the owner had to go to the Guards, and only owned up to it when confronted. When you drive you take on certain responsibilities including owning up should you damage some one else's property. This is not a flutter your eyelashes to escape situation. Pony up girlie, pay the owner of the car and the next time you crash into another ( as you will no doubt do as it seems you have form) don't run away like a twit. It's this type of behaviour that drives up insurance costs.


  • #44
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Gooseygoosey wrote: »
    t's this type of behaviour that drives up insurance costs.

    Yeah, for men. :p


  • #45
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    surely the claim will be higher now that his own car will be being repaired too. isn't this what drives up insurance costs?


  • #46
    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    On one hand I can see why the OP did what they did, a state of panic set in and they reacted.. However I wonder if the current feelings are because they were caught or are they genuinely remorseful??

    I saw this happen a number of years ago when I was in college. I was sitting outside as it was a nice day, a young guy gets into his car, reverses back way too fast, hits a car behind him and drives the door in about 3 inches or more..

    Gets out, looks at the damage, looks around (didnt see me) and took off!!

    So I got his number plate and reported him immediately to the security in the building, also left a note on the owners car which had been damaged with my contact details explaining what happened..

    The owner contacted me that evening, we had a chat, he contacted the guy who did the damage and who initially denied it, but when the Gardai and a witness were mentioned, he immediately changed his story and admitted everything and it was all settled without insurance coming into it..

    I got a few pints out of it and a nice big thank you.. :D

    I have hit a car myself too when I was younger, nothing more than a mild scrape that wasn't too expensive, but I left my details and made sure that I sorted that person out, even dropped in a bottle of wine after all had been sorted to apologise.

    But the fact that the OP knew she did the damage meant that they deliberately left and even after a few days didnt bother contacting the owner of the damaged vehicle or owning up to it is pretty bad form and I do hope something is done about it, whether it be a few points on the license or a fine in court.. if nothing more, it will be a reminder of them to be careful and more responsible in the future.

    OP, everyone makes mistakes, its how you handle yourself and the situation that will determine how you will be judged, if you stand up and admit it, make amends and good the damage then you wont be judged too badly and probably gain a bit of respect out of it.

    The second biggest investment most people make in their lives is in their cars, so seeing a car that people spend a big chunk of their income on, damaged by some individual who then drives off without even having the decency to admit to it, is when you can get yourself into trouble as just happened here. The person who owned that car was obviously p*ssed off enough to get CCTV of the incident and get the Gardai involved.

    Tox


  • #47
    dirtydiesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭dirtydiesel


    Gooseygoosey wrote: »
    Oh my goodness....I have never seen Boards people so nice and considerate to a person in this type of situation....normally there would be wielding of pitchforks and baying for blood.
    Now please bear in mind that I am a woman saying this and I think that everybody was so nice as they read her name, saw she was a woman and the "sure God love her" attitude was taken. It's a bit like the Gay Byrne talking to Sinead O'Connor all those years ago on the Late Late Show. She crashed into somebody's car, damaged it to the point the owner had to go to the Guards, and only owned up to it when confronted. When you drive you take on certain responsibilities including owning up should you damage some one else's property. This is not a flutter your eyelashes to escape situation. Pony up girlie, pay the owner of the car and the next time you crash into another ( as you will no doubt do as it seems you have form) don't run away like a twit. It's this type of behaviour that drives up insurance costs.
    She is young and knows she was wrong. We all make mistakes so no need to be hard on her, see we can be nice sometimes!!!!
    Topper Harley wrote: »
    Yeah, for men. :p
    :D


  • #48
    MarkN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,223 ✭✭✭MarkN


    corktina wrote: »
    fine for failing to report an accident/remain at the scene and posibly some points.

    I'd flip the lid altogether if someone hit my car and even stayed around to tell me but this is ridiculous.

    Failing to remain at the scene of an accident is where you are on the road and you have an accident with another vehicle and or a person, hitting a car in a carpark does not fall under this section of road traffic offences.

    I won't even mention your penalty points bit :rolleyes:

    OP - I'm bloody glad the guards caught you but hope you don't get into too much trouble :D


  • #49
    sesna
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    OP how could you have done this, the morality!!

    You have to be honest when there is CCTV present


  • #50
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    Gooseygoosey wrote: »
    Oh my goodness....I have never seen Boards people so nice and considerate to a person in this type of situation....normally there would be wielding of pitchforks and baying for blood.

    hey I called for her head :P

    you're right though, if she was a young he in a Civic, it would be a different story!


  • #51
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Absurdum wrote: »
    you're right though, if she was a young he in a Civic, it would be a different story!
    Not for me, I think it's a really sh1tty thing to do either way. She had a whole week to own up, and did nothing until a Garda knocked on her door.


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