johngalway wrote: »

If you know it all, what killed those two lambs?

A lot of people who think they know it all deny foxes will take lambs. That information is totally incorrect and is fed to many people day in day out.

This is not a PR exercise and I resent the accusation. The justification in shooting the fox is in protecting my fathers livestock from predation, which I am well within my rights to do.

There is a warning in plain English in the title of this thread that it contains graphic images of what foxes do to lambs. It's your own issues that yourself and Kippy chose to open the thread and start talking nonsense.

And please, answer my opening question.

You are correct John, Every Rat I saw my cats take head was missing, same to with rabbits, looks like a big Cat

Although my .223 can have the same effect if it hits skull on Rabbits and fox with Hornady 55grn Molycoated Varmint express.

But i often wonder why guys HIJACK threads!
Not a lot of sheep around me or volunteers to hold my lightforce!

But given the opportunity!
I always find the Silage fields are great hunting grounds in may-August for foxes.
My Mate has a lot of his chickens and other fowl taken by foxes so i get the call every now and then

DERICKOO wrote: »

There is a difference between "fox hunting" and "hunting for foxes".
For those of you that have lived in a cave for your entire life, fox hunting has long been considered to be a great British sport. It's normally just "played" by the ultra-rich upper class twits that unfortunately have yet to understand that we're not living in the 1600s any more. Foxes are scared out of their dens and are chased for hours by idiots on horseback. When the fox eventually begins to tire, trained dogs are allowed to rip the foxes to shreds.

The long justification for this sport is that foxes are vermin and need to be killed. There is some truth in this statement. I grew up in a rural area and have witnessed the damage that foxes cause to livestock. A single fox can easily wipe out a chicken coop in an evening. They don't just take what they need to survive; they will just slaughter everything. It is supposedly possible to make a coop "fox-proof", but these methods are not particularly effective - especially if you want your chickens to remain free-range. Therefore, there are some people that hold that fox hunting is the only way to cull the fox population in Ireland.



there was a time i could shoot a fox at 300 meters or a rabbit at 120meters with only a .22 single shot rifle with a 3-9-40 sight and that was in the head but then i was younger and gung-ho, could get a 4" grouping at 25 meters with a 9mm browning.

this i am not proud of now

times have changed find the balance.

Foxes are very cunning Hence Vulpine!
My Gran kept foxes for years. she found a headless chicken once that was pecking out through a tiny hole in the chicken wire, the fox took advantage.

This thread was started about fox Shooting.
The issue is being clouded, The Pics show damage of foxes and carrion Birds. Hence the eyes missing.

I was sunbathing in a field one day after shooting 4 rabbits i was awaiting there return. After 30 mins half asleep with my eyes blurred by the sun shining through my eye lids I was awoke by a fox 2 metres from me, had i not moved I was looking like dinner.
Don't ever think for one second that a fox is mans best friend, they split from Lupine and Canine a long long time ago, in fact they can not even cross bred!

Also as a result of Humans being Dirty and leaving out waste etc foxes are on the increase not decrease.

I have the Luxury of shift work and see another side of Foxes, The night hunter predator/scavenger.

I admire the fox for his success where others have failed.

Fact, there are less Hunters than there every was, Times was every farmer hunted foxes.
I have shot foxes with a .22lr, but I prefer the .223 to ensure a quick dispatch.

How is it a farmers fault for Lambs being eaten? My neighbours tried flashing lights amongst other things. Foxes will get used and after a night or so take the lambs.
the Fox by the way was Introduced by the English so if you want to blame anybody blame them.

There was sheep in Ireland before foxes!!

Does that not mean the sheep has more rights

kippy wrote: »

johngalway,
I come from a farming area where the issues you've mentioned were prevalent, ie farmers having to kill foxes. I can appreciate why you had to kill the fox and to be honest once the foxes death was quick I have no issues.
What my issue is with and I will state this again, is posting the pics (the pics dont sicken me) of the "poor little lambs" and justifying killing foxes because of them tearing apart the lambs in such a cruel fashion. To me, thats a type of PR exercise. Theres no issues from my side on killing the fox if the fox had been killing your stock.
I'm not saying that anyone isnt looking after their stock, quite the opposite.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Also, gavlaw, I post in whatever thread interests me, whether or not its in a negative or positive fashion. This thread interests me and I had an opinion on it. As I said however I am neither pro or anti hunting, I just find some of the attempts to justify either side as annoying and while this may not have been a calculated attempt to be pro hunting, it cam across to me that way.

Problem is the Anti's have it all to gain and the pro's have it all to lose.
Every where you look the Antis show old footage of fox hunts. The same footage gets played on primetime etc all the time,

I believe Johngalway just showed cause and effect.
I can just imagine how sick he felt to see his dads livelihood be pressurized by vermin.

Us hunters are under the Cosh all the time from the Anti's who now appear to have the minister for the Environment on their side.:(