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What foxes can and will do to young lambs *Graphic photo warning*

  • 19-04-2010 01:49PM
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    Sunday April 18th

    What with my course, travelling, farming and shooting I've not been getting much shut eye. A couple of nights ago a ewe had twins on part of my Dads farm. All was well, good ewe with plenty of milk for them, as they'd been fed for the past while after our disaster of a winter. Lambs were up and about and sucking.

    Then this happened.

    twins1.jpg

    And this...

    twins2-1.jpg

    I rang my shooting buddy John, we agreed it must be a dog fox. Thinking a vixen would bring the entire lamb/s off with her for either her own cubs or a relations cubs. I figure the ewe left the lambs asleep to graze and our villain knocked them off at the one time, instead of killing one and returning for the other.

    We had been out here already (same night as that ewe had the twins), as a ewe had turned up at the trough for feed with blood about her tail, but, no lamb in tow and none to be found in that part of the farm. Stayed out until the juice went in the batteries, and saw zilch.

    Tonight the plan is to be on station for 11.30pm, and stretch out into the night as long as we can. We didn't think our fox was coming early. Conditions are brutal for shotgun, which is what John uses. It's too calm, too bright, and the ground doesn't make it possible to move silently. So, John is the night beater really, not bothered about making noise, walking about to rise a fox in my direction or keep an eye on places I can't see then signal me.

    I'd picked out my spot for tonight during the daytime. It gave me a pretty much 300° view around the hillock I was on. In front of me there's a path running left right with fox scat on it, to my left there's a path running towards me with scat on it. To my right I can see a long small ridge and a marsh. Behind me, I can't see much, but John is the other side of that hillock so it's covered too.

    After the usual goings on, getting cold, bored, fed up, watching John's lamp move about, turning ewes eyes into foxes eyes for the third time I spot what I'm looking for. It's 1.18am, so we've been there just under fifty minutes. There's a set of eyes cresting the ridge off to my right, walking on towards me through the neighbours land which is in the middle of all our land. The fox comes on along the fence, crosses through it and then another and turns to the left as I'm looking at it.

    While watching this I've moved 20-30 yards towards the fox and can go no farther due to the marsh. It's not at all bothered by the lamp thank God. As I settle for the shot it stops beside a large rock and the Mr. Hornadys deadly, accurate & dependable Vmax removes this lamb killer from the farm. I never did range it, probably between 150 - 200 yards somewhere, dog fox with a lower K9 missing, broken off some how.

    fox25broomesdogunknownrange.jpg

    That's one down. Two more foxes to be accounted for on Dad's farm yet, both suspects in missing lambs, as well as two neighbours with fox predation problems, God knows when we'll have the time to get to them! Nothing coming easy this year !!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    A dead fox always makes me smile.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    Bet the antis won't post them pictures of what the lovely fox does on their site :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Bet the antis won't post them pictures of what the lovely fox does on their site :D

    Exactly, Foxes are cute cuddly red dogs that eat grass and herbs, not likkle cutie wootie lambs!

    Foxes have been eating lambs amongst other things since their introduction to the country several Hundred years ago.

    The Anti's probably do not even know what native Animals are!:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    Its just nature - happens with all carniverous animals - can see it any night on National Geographic.

    A pet dog could as easily do the same - you gonna shoot them too?

    Supports contolling/shooting them for control to allow domestic farming but not for a hobby.

    Why not post up some pictures of the aftermath of an attack on lambs etc by Pheasants - they get shot too...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    thebiglad wrote: »
    A pet dog could as easily do the same - you gonna shoot them too?

    Yes. As it's entirely legal to shoot a domestic dog about to worry, in the process of worrying, or after worrying sheep, never mind killing. That's LAW.

    Supports contolling/shooting them for control to allow domestic farming but not for a hobby.

    I am a sheep farmer, my shooting buddy comes from a sheep farming family and lives on a farm, my Dad is a farmer, as are the neighbours I mentioned. What's your point? :confused:

    ...............


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    thebiglad wrote: »
    ...A pet dog could as easily do the same - you gonna shoot them too?............

    I'm not from a farm but I was reared in the countryside.

    Yes if "pet" dogs are killing lambs attacking sheep or other farm animals they will be shot/put to sleep.

    It's the country way !

    All true country people know and abide by this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    My point is that most normal folk (those not in the anti-hunting groups) are opposed to hobby shooting and not the necessary control shooting.

    Therefore posting up a picture of slaughtered lambs to support the need to control is irrelevant.

    Going off on a saturday afternoon for the craic of shooting things is a different point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    thebiglad wrote: »
    My point is that most normal folk (those not in the anti-hunting groups) are opposed to hobby shooting and not the necessary control shooting......

    The various hunting/fishing bodies in this country have a verifiable membership figure.

    Where is you proof to back up your statement ?

    And your statement makes the assumption that some folk are not "normal". How are you qualified to say what is normal ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    A pet dog could as easily do the same - you gonna shoot them too?

    Yes. As it's entirely legal to shoot a domestic dog about to worry, in the process of worrying, or after worrying sheep, never mind killing. That's LAW.

    John, guess should you see this thread - perhaps you can provide advice on what ammunition to use

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055887218


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    Federal 52 grain BTHP from my .220 Swift is all that's required for any size dog or fox ;)

    Biglad where do you live/were you reared................urban or rural ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    thebiglad wrote: »
    A pet dog could as easily do the same - you gonna shoot them too?

    Yes. As it's entirely legal to shoot a domestic dog about to worry, in the process of worrying, or after worrying sheep, never mind killing. That's LAW.

    John, guess should you see this thread - perhaps you can provide advice on what ammunition to use

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055887218
    [MOD NOTICE]
    Just a gentle reminder of the Shooting/Hunting Charter to any of the regulars here thinking of posting on that thread:
    Posting in Hunting to troll users in Animal Welfare or Animal&Pet Issues is not acceptable; nor are regular posters from Hunting who troll in those forums. In both cases, infractions and/or bans may be given by mods in both forums even if the user only posted in one forum.
    The OP in that thread appears to be genuinely aghast at what apparently happened, and is looking for advice on how to proceed.
    They've been given good advice to approach the owner of the sheep and to keep their dog securely fenced in future.
    It's not certain whether their dog actually killed the sheep or merely came across the carcass; either way, that's for them and the sheep's owner and possibly the Dog Warden to sort out.

    The OP is having something of a crash course in the Country Code (and the Law) regarding dogs worrying livestock and the potential consequences for both themselves and the dog, and they appear to be genuinely contrite and determined to make things 'right', as best they can.

    Please bear this in mind when replying, and please also remember that you're something of an ambassador for the hunting/shooting community over in that neck of the woods.
    [/MOD NOTICE]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    Federal 52 grain BTHP from my .220 Swift is all that's required for any size dog or fox ;)

    Biglad where do you live/were you reared................urban or rural ?

    I am was raised urban but father from a farming family (who still farm) so many summer holidays spent in that environment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 monarch


    thebiglad wrote: »
    My point is that most normal folk (those not in the anti-hunting groups) are opposed to hobby shooting and not the necessary control shooting.

    Therefore posting up a picture of slaughtered lambs to support the need to control is irrelevant.

    Going off on a saturday afternoon for the craic of shooting things is a different point.

    ever heard of each to there own, look after your own corner and all the rest.
    if all the anti's manage to get blood sports banned is this country are ye going to go around the country giving money to all the farmers that will be out of pocket,no grass or crops because of deer damage no lambs because of foxs, and of course all the lost revenue to the government which i am sure ye will pay and ye will provide jobs for all of those who will be out of work. Dont think ye will be doing that so dont ye wake up to some real issues in this country and realise that country sports were here long before ye and please god long after ye are gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    OP may I ask how you are sure it was the work of a fox. As other users have said, there are a number of animals capible of killing a lamb, mink are always a prime suspect, as are pet dogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    Has to be the most heart breaking thing any sheep farmer could come across.:mad:
    Some pile of foxes down your way john, you have as much work with them as lambing by the looks of things.


    As for dogs seen a few Grey hounds go on a rampage on Sunday in a field of new Born's, they killed about 20 odd lambs before we got them and would attack a person if they got in there way. Once they get the taste of blood all hell will break loose and only a bullet will stop them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    OP may I ask how you are sure it was the work of a fox. As other users have said, there are a number of animals capible of killing a lamb, mink are always a prime suspect, as are pet dogs.

    Mink will bite the neck and bleed them.

    Birds, be they greycrows, ravens, black backed gulls, the eyes would have been the first to go, also there wouldn't have been any chewing.

    Dogs, the ewes would have been extremely disturbed and gathered up together, either in a corner or on a height, basically an area they feel they can defend.

    Foxy is Mr Culprit in this instance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    thebiglad wrote: »
    My point is that most normal folk (those not in the anti-hunting groups) are opposed to hobby shooting and not the necessary control shooting.

    Therefore posting up a picture of slaughtered lambs to support the need to control is irrelevant.

    Going off on a saturday afternoon for the craic of shooting things is a different point.

    Where are your statistics to prove most people are opposed to hobby shooting please?

    The photos are there for the benefit of people getting into this line of work. Seeing the damage caused will help others decide what's done damage and how to take appropriate action to stop it. There is an obvious note on the topic title saying graphic photos are included, if you do not like those photos, perhaps you should not view the thread.

    The relevance of Saturday afternoon shooting to this thread is lost on me.
    thebiglad wrote: »
    A pet dog could as easily do the same - you gonna shoot them too?

    Yes. As it's entirely legal to shoot a domestic dog about to worry, in the process of worrying, or after worrying sheep, never mind killing. That's LAW.

    John, guess should you see this thread - perhaps you can provide advice on what ammunition to use

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055887218

    I read that thread earlier in the day. You're trolling at this point so I've no further interest in talking to you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    thebiglad wrote: »
    I am was raised urban but father from a farming family (who still farm) so many summer holidays spent in that environment.

    I note you ignored my other questions and JG has asked more or less the same questions so we await your answers

    You hoilday in the country and you know all about it :rolleyes:

    Ask your father he will know what's going on ;)

    I live in the country. Have most of my life. Have been around farms and farmers most of my life. JG is a sheep farmer.

    And you think you know more than us about the countryside and it's ways :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I've had ducks and chickens taken by foxes, but on one occassion the fox killed most of my chickens and left half of them. I suspect it was a vixen and her extended family. Since then I've built a pen at great expense. A few times I've gone up at feeding time to see a fox looking in trying to figure out how to get at the chickens.

    Fox proof pens, the kind a fox can't dug under or jump over, are not cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭endasmail


    last thursday during the day ,the lad i work with was was having a cup of tea looking out the window
    a fox was making off down the field with one of his ducks in its mouth
    the duck was that heavy ,the fox had to stop every few yards ,take a breather and continue on again

    friday night/sat morn
    same lad goes out to hen/duck shed
    only to find one hen missing
    the rest were all killed ,including all his ducks
    fox and got in through building site fences ,either climbed in or dug under

    unlike john i haven got any pics
    but working with the lad for week was evidence enough for me


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭kay 9


    Good stuff John. Pity how someone always comes along though to try and ruin a good thing:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Surfing_Xboxer


    Wow...A fox kills to eat?!?!?!? ..... Such a shock......!!!!

    Dear god..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭gavlaw


    Wow...A fox kills to eat?!?!?!? ..... Such a shock......!!!!

    Dear god..
    how long did it take you to figure that out:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,226 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Jaysus, a concerted PR exercise by the hunters, strange one that.
    "Look at the bad bad fox kill the lovely ickle lambs" (forgetting that we ourselves eat the ickle lambs with it suits us, at least we cut them up neatly I suppose - hope no one decides to go hunting us, oh wait)


    I am neither pro or anti hunting, but these cheap PR exercises from both sides infuriates me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Surfing_Xboxer


    kippy wrote: »
    Jaysus, a concerted PR exercise by the hunters, strange one that.
    "Look at the bad bad fox kill the lovely ickle lambs" (forgetting that we ourselves eat the ickle lambs with it suits us, at least we cut them up neatly I suppose - hope no one decides to go hunting us, oh wait)


    I am neither pro or anti hunting, but these cheap PR exercises from both sides infuriates me.

    DITTO


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Be polite and respectful to all other posters regardless of their point of view, please.

    This is aimed at all of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭gavlaw


    well your point of view is different so i would think it was


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Surfing_Xboxer


    I just think posting a picture of something a fox MIGHT of done ( and HAS to do to survive ) is a lame reason to justify killing it ....

    EPIC FAIL..My opinion and no insult intended


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Not going to get entagled in a pro\against argument..

    Just curious about the pictures, whatever killed the animals seems quite wasteful, is that normal for lamb kills, or just particular to these photos?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    I just think posting a picture of something a fox MIGHT of done ( and HAS to do to survive ) is a lame reason to justify killing it ....

    If you know it all, what killed those two lambs?

    A lot of people who think they know it all deny foxes will take lambs. That information is totally incorrect and is fed to many people day in day out.

    This is not a PR exercise and I resent the accusation. The justification in shooting the fox is in protecting my fathers livestock from predation, which I am well within my rights to do.

    There is a warning in plain English in the title of this thread that it contains graphic images of what foxes do to lambs. It's your own issues that yourself and Kippy chose to open the thread and start talking nonsense.

    And please, answer my opening question.


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