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Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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  • #152
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    The Supreme Court has reserved judgment on a hearing that will determine whether Nigerian woman Pamela Izevbekhai's appeal against deportation will go ahead.

    The mother of two claims her daughters are at risk of female genital mutilation if deported to Nigeria.

    Lawyers for Ms Izevbekhai have been arguing that Justice Minister Dermot Ahern should consider her application for subsidiary protection.

    Under 2006 regulations the Minister is given a discretion to allow people remain in the country who otherwise wouldn't qualify for refugee status.

    The State has argued that the mother of two's deportation order was made in 2005 and the regulations are not retrospective.

    MsIzevbekhai claims she has new documents to show her first born daughter died in Nigeria from female genital mutilation after the State claimed her original papers were fraudulent.

    The Supreme Court has reserved its decision on today's hearing


  • #153
    barrackali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭barrackali


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    The Supreme Court has reserved judgment on a hearing that will determine whether Nigerian woman Pamela Izevbekhai's appeal against deportation will go ahead.

    The mother of two claims her daughters are at risk of female genital mutilation if deported to Nigeria.

    Lawyers for Ms Izevbekhai have been arguing that Justice Minister Dermot Ahern should consider her application for subsidiary protection.

    Under 2006 regulations the Minister is given a discretion to allow people remain in the country who otherwise wouldn't qualify for refugee status.

    The State has argued that the mother of two's deportation order was made in 2005 and the regulations are not retrospective.

    MsIzevbekhai claims she has new documents to show her first born daughter died in Nigeria from female genital mutilation after the State claimed her original papers were fraudulent.

    The Supreme Court has reserved its decision on today's hearing


    I wonder how many month's we will be waiting to hear the result....I'm really pissed off with this fraudster.


  • #154
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    barrackali wrote: »
    I wonder how many month's we will be waiting to hear the result....I'm really pissed off with this fraudster.

    You make that statement as though it is personal. Now let's see if I can think of anything else that you could find time to be pissed off with , I'll get back to you.


  • #155
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    lonad wrote: »
    You make that statement as though it is personal.

    You've heard of taxes, right?
    You know how they fund legal aid, right?


  • #156
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    lonad wrote: »
    So it is against the law , that means it won't be done?

    Well how come it is documented that it is carried on on 25% of the female population in Nigeria.

    I am not questioning whether she should be deported , I am questioning the fact that we as a country cannot guarantee the children's safety and because of this have we a moral obligation to the child ?

    Who knows? She shouldn't of lied. Its hard to say whether it will happen pr not. We are not the carers of every child on the planet. The failing of the Nigerian authorities must be looked into.

    If we were to allow her to stay based on these claims, then every Nigerian female with children would flock to countries claiming FGM.


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  • #157
    barrackali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭barrackali


    lonad wrote: »
    You make that statement as though it is personal. Now let's see if I can think of anything else that you could find time to be pissed off with , I'll get back to you.

    I'm sorry...this is personal, I have to break my back working to pay my taxes, only for fraudsters like her waste it like confetti.


  • #158
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    mikom wrote: »
    You've heard of taxes, right?
    You know how they fund legal aid, right?

    I have indeed. I am more interested in the moral aspect of the case not the monetary question. Can we guarantee the childrens safety ?

    I am not defending this woman in anyway and if it was solely her then fine deport her.


  • #159
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    barrackali wrote: »
    I'm sorry...this is personal, I have to break my back working to pay my taxes, only for fraudsters like her waste it like confetti.

    Fair enough , but my taxes are also funding this country , I will however always look at the moral aspect of an argument first. Thats just me.


  • #160
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Who knows? She shouldn't of lied. Its hard to say whether it will happen pr not. We are not the carers of every child on the planet. The failing of the Nigerian authorities must be looked into.

    If we were to allow her to stay based on these claims, then every Nigerian female with children would flock to countries claiming FGM.

    I don't think that would be the case , the attraction of this country is gone .

    There is the matter of her children having spent years in this country and I am sure that they now see it as home.


  • #161
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    lonad wrote: »
    I have indeed. I am more interested in the moral aspect of the case not the monetary question. Can we guarantee the childrens safety ?

    I am not defending this woman in anyway and if it was solely her then fine deport her.

    All available money should be spent on children currently waiting on medical procedures for very real ailments.
    Pammy and her "get out of jail free cards" shouldn't be given a rex before that.


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  • #162
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    She's still here probably because she's black. Simples


  • #163
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    lonad wrote: »
    I don't think that would be the case , the attraction of this country is gone .

    There is the matter of her children having spent years in this country and I am sure that they now see it as home.

    I agree the children are simply innocent victims in all of this. I would not mind allowing the children to stay and deporting the mother. Of course we can't break families up.


  • #164
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    lonad wrote: »
    I have indeed. I am more interested in the moral aspect of the case not the monetary question. Can we guarantee the childrens safety ?

    I am not defending this woman in anyway and if it was solely her then fine deport her.

    The childrens safety is her responsibility. It isnt ours.

    Why fall for the bait?


  • #165
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    lonad wrote: »
    So it is against the law , that means it won't be done?

    Well how come it is documented that it is carried on on 25% of the female population in Nigeria.

    I am not questioning whether she should be deported , I am questioning the fact that we as a country cannot guarantee the children's safety and because of this have we a moral obligation to the child ?
    We as a country cannot guarantee the childrens safety when they're allowed out with their friends, or taken on holidays, or cross the road to school or ....

    Well, you see where I'm going here.


  • #166
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    mikom wrote: »
    All available money should be spent on children currently waiting on medical procedures for very real ailments.
    Pammy and her "get out of jail free cards" shouldn't be given a rex before that.


    I would agree that we should look after our own first , I have no argument with that thinking .


  • #167
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    orourkeda wrote: »
    She's still here probably because she's black. Simples

    If it was just that simple.:rolleyes:


  • #168
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Nevore wrote: »
    We as a country cannot guarantee the childrens safety when they're allowed out with their friends, or taken on holidays, or cross the road to school or ....

    Well, you see where I'm going here.

    I do but that is not the crux of the argument that is going on in the courts.


  • #169
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    orourkeda wrote: »
    The childrens safety is her responsibility. It isnt ours.

    Why fall for the bait?


    Isn't this why she has taken the case to the Supreme court because she believes that the safety of her children depends on them not being deported to Nigeria.


  • #170
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    lonad wrote: »
    I do but that is not the crux of the argument that is going on in the courts.
    No, but it is the arguement you're making Ie: because we as a nation cannot guarantee the safety of the children they shouldn't be deported. There's plenty of other places that children are "at risk" that the state does not intervene in, so I don't see why they should be protecting these children.


  • #171
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    lonad wrote: »
    You make that statement as though it is personal. Now let's see if I can think of anything else that you could find time to be pissed off with , I'll get back to you.

    Can you add me to your list as well please, I'm pissed off at the bitch too.


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  • #172
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    lonad wrote: »
    Isn't this why she has taken the case to the Supreme court because she believes that the safety of her children depends on them not being deported to Nigeria.

    She could have gone to any other nation on earth to protect the "safety of her children" as you put it. If the case falls at the supreme court, I will bet any amount of money that it's taken to Europe. This case stinks to high heaven and the people paying for these appeals will not accept the fact that they've been taken for a spin.


  • #173
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Nevore wrote: »
    No, but it is the arguement you're making Ie: because we as a nation cannot guarantee the safety of the children they shouldn't be deported. There's plenty of other places that children are "at risk" that the state does not intervene in, so I don't see why they should be protecting these children.

    I am not arguing anything , just giving my perspective on the matter. I am only questioning the safety of the children if deported and can we say that nothing is going to befall them if the laws of our country deem deportation to be the correct decision.

    Thankfully we live in a country that gives people the oppurtuinty to contest decisions .


  • #174
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    lonad wrote: »
    I am not arguing anything , just giving my perspective on the matter. I am only questioning the safety of the children if deported and can we say that nothing is going to befall them if the laws of our country deem deportation to be the correct decision.

    Thankfully we live in a country that gives people the oppurtuinty to contest decisions .

    Why should that be our problem?


  • #175
    profitius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    lonad wrote: »
    So it is against the law , that means it won't be done?

    Well how come it is documented that it is carried on on 25% of the female population in Nigeria.

    I am not questioning whether she should be deported , I am questioning the fact that we as a country cannot guarantee the children's safety and because of this have we a moral obligation to the child ?

    Will you house them and pay for them? Anyone who answers no have no right telling the rest of us we should.


  • #176
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    lonad wrote: »
    Thankfully we live in a country that gives people the oppurtuinty to contest decisions .

    Why is this a good thing ? One 'opportunity to contest' is enough.

    This woman has had about 20+ opportunities to contest. And counting. Each one costing us a fortune. All the while she lives in accomodation we pay for. We also pay for her taxis from SLigo to Dublin and god only knows what else. She is a welfare migrant shamelessly using her kids to pull on the heartstrings of the gullible. She is a liar plain and simple. She is single handedly underming an entire system of migration and asylum.


  • #177
    profitius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    lonad wrote: »
    Thankfully we live in a country that gives people the oppurtuinty to contest decisions .

    We live in a country where common sense is not allowed to be used.


  • #178
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    profitius wrote: »
    Will you house them and pay for them? Anyone who answers no have no right telling the rest of us we should.

    I agree. However, this particular leads me to wonder how many people in similar situations have slipped through the cracks so to speak.


  • #179
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Monroe CoolS Turpitude wrote: »
    Can you add me to your list as well please, I'm pissed off at the bitch too.

    As you are entitled , I have no problem with the outcome of this case either way regarding the mother , my point is regarding the children.

    If her case is not proved then I believe that she should be jailed for perjury.


  • #180
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    profitius wrote: »
    We live in a country where common sense is not allowed to be used.


    Yes you are correct but until that changes ,it is what it is.


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  • #181
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    profitius wrote: »
    Will you house them and pay for them? Anyone who answers no have no right telling the rest of us we should.


    That is a difficult question to answer , but obviously I am contributing to their continued stay in Ireland through my tax payments.


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