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Another stupid Government led idea - Electric Cars
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given its a Domestically Manufactured vehicle (in the US, via Fledging Detroit, MI): I am completely hyped about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt
I edited this because I was afraid you would hyperventilate if you read over it again.:pac:
sdonn explains what I wanted to say better than I did earlier.:(They're useless in their current form.
With a range of 100km yes, they'll cater for most urban journeys. The problem is that most people either make regular journeys that push that distance, whether it be every week, every months etc and it won't suit them to have to charge up enroute, or simply don't want the hassle of having to charge even though their journeys allow for it.
Then there's the issue of charging on motorways etc - all very well, but on a long journey you'd need to charge at least twice between say Dublin and Cork. At present the government has decided to scrap the majority of the planned motorway service areas, so where will these charging points go? Do they expect motorists to pull off the motorway, drive a mile to a garage, sit in the car while it charges for god knows how long, then drive the mile back to the motorway? Twice? Get real.
As for every 60km, that's a joke. With a 100km range you've only to miss one stop to end up on the hard shoulder. What will there be, AA vans with massive battery chargers in the back littering our motorways?
These cars are only practical for those who NEVER make journeys over 100/200km or who are willing to put up with massive breaks in such trips, or for those lucky enough to be able to afford and accommodate two cars per person, let alone per family. That excludes me, my entire extended family and just about every other motorist I know. It in effect defeats the purpose of having a car.
Minister Ryan said on Prime Time in his eternal wisdom that we should be leading the way with this technology, rather than installing these points years after it takes off. But there's little point leading the way by installing the power points if you're not going to build proper infrastructure to go with it.
What we need is a proper Hybrid car which uses technology similar to diesel electric trains - a fuel engine charging an electric battery. The batter can be topped up while the car is parked and used for day to day running, but if you need to, you can kick in the diesel and motor along as per the 20th century status quo.
In an ideal world of course we'd be trying to seperate Hydrogen molecules and tap that resource - if we could seperate water (H2O being two Hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom, chemically bonded), we'd have the solution to mankind's fuel and flooding problems in less than a week.
Don't get me wrong - I think installing these points and offering the incentive is a good idea in theory. It will work brilliantly for the few who choose to buy these cars. But a minority, and a small one at that is all it'll ever be for the forseeable future.
That's exactly what I was getting at, I just used fewer words.:pac:0 -
You didnt read my post did you?They're useless in their current form.
With a range of 100km yes, they'll cater for most urban journeys. The problem is that most people either make regular journeys that push that distance, whether it be every week, every months etc and it won't suit them to have to charge up enroute, or simply don't want the hassle of having to charge even though their journeys allow for it.
These plugins (like the Volt) have 40mi Electric Range, PLUS 200 Miles via gas generator.
Unless you're thinking of circumnavigating Ireland without stopping at a Statoil for a piss and a Sambo, that entire argument is Dated and Redundant.
Just like the Phone Charger went from charging your phone in 8 hours to 15 minutes, the Home Charger and the Station Charger will be a case of one getting the job done very cheap, and one getting the job done Very Quick.Then there's the issue of charging on motorways etc - all very well, but on a long journey you'd need to charge at least twice between say Dublin and Cork. At present the government has decided to scrap the majority of the planned motorway service areas, so where will these charging points go? Do they expect motorists to pull off the motorway, drive a mile to a garage, sit in the car while it charges for god knows how long, then drive the mile back to the motorway? Twice? Get real.
Generator Generator Generator. Whats that? Oh yeah: On-board Gas Generator. 54 Kilowatt Capacity. 34 Kilowatt Hours Per Gallon US. The Equivalent of 85 (Eighty Five) Miles Per Gallon.As for every 60km, that's a joke. With a 100km range you've only to miss one stop to end up on the hard shoulder. What will there be, AA vans with massive battery chargers in the back littering our motorways?
Thats Old Hybrid. They DID work like that. A Primary Combustion Transmission with a secondary Electric Drive. Now to be replaced with an Only Electric Drive and a Combustion Generator.What we need is a proper Hybrid car which uses technology similar to diesel electric trains - a fuel engine charging an electric battery. The batter can be topped up while the car is parked and used for day to day running, but if you need to, you can kick in the diesel and motor along as per the 20th century status quo.
Make Fusion, and we'll talkIn an ideal world of course we'd be trying to seperate Hydrogen molecules and tap that resource - if we could seperate water (H2O being two Hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom, chemically bonded), we'd have the solution to mankind's fuel and flooding problems in less than a week.
As I've just attempted to demonstrate, sdonn's common preconception of Electrics and Hybrids is Out of Date, and does not take into factor that last 2-3 years of Gian Leaps in Automotive - The Recession being the biggest kick in the pants for the Industry to finally get off the pot.Sharpshooter wrote:sdonn explains what I wanted to say better than I did earlier
It's a misconception held by many though: So I hope more of you will read what I've had to say. The Electric game has changed Immensely since the Inconvenient Truth.0 -
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Im sorry
A Visual may be beneficial:
Old Prototype in the video, but the info at the start still explains well the concept. Gasoline Does Not drive the Wheels At All.
Volts' Website: http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do0 -
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one thing at a time please
First off - desiel, petrol, angel tears, SEMANTICS. Use whatever you want! I dont care! Some will be flex fuel too: So bring on the Ethanol. :mad:
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Not yet they dont. I confess. They do not solve the driving habits of 25% of all americans. They only satisfy 75% of 300 million people.So effectively these are glorified hyrbids! They don't solve the fuel issue at all for long journeys
Its still a huge leap. Its large enough to Market. And in 10 years, that capacity will have doubled if not considerably more, until you have Electric ranges in excess of a hundred miles or more.Here we will get electric cars & there will be nowhere to plug the f*ckers in.
No, the Home hookup system is not much bigger than an air compressor (if that). It uses the existing Power Grid in your home, that already powers your Showers your Lights and your Range. And since you guys already run 240volts, that means charging your car at home in under 3 hours. It also means that a station charger (when or if they become available) which could run at a much higher voltage than that, could charge the car in minutes.
But to settle the spiffy, and lets assume you have the only Charger in Ireland to charge this vehicle, in your car port - what if I drive to visit my nan in cork for the night - yeah, drive back on the generator till you get home. But 40 weeks out of 50 you're just commuting to and fro, from the office. You're still talking about only having to refuel with petrol/diesel/baby blood, far, far less often than you already fuel up your Yaris. 9 days out of 10, you will drive home, plug the car into the wall, go to bed, wake up, go to work, etc. And never have to fuel up or engage the generator.0 -
one thing at a time please
First off - desiel, petrol, angel tears, SEMANTICS. Use whatever you want! I dont care! Some will be flex fuel too: So bring on the Ethanol. :mad::pac::(
Not yet they dont. I confess. They do not solve the driving habits of 25% of all americans. They only satisfy 75% of 300 million people.
Its still a huge leap. Its large enough to Market. And in 10 years, that capacity will have doubled if not considerably more, until you have Electric ranges in excess of a hundred miles or more.
No, the Home hookup system is not much bigger than an air compressor (if that). It uses the existing Power Grid in your home, that already powers your Showers your Lights and your Range. And since you guys already run 240volts, that means charging your car at home in under 3 hours. It also means that a station charger (when or if they become available) which could run at a much higher voltage than that, could charge the car in minutes.
But to settle the spiffy, and lets assume you have the only Charger in Ireland to charge this vehicle, in your car port - what if I drive to visit my nan in cork for the night - yeah, drive back on the generator till you get home. But 40 weeks out of 50 you're just commuting to and fro, from the office. You're still talking about only having to refuel with petrol/diesel/baby blood, far, far less often than you already fuel up your Yaris. 9 days out of 10, you will drive home, plug the car into the wall, go to bed, wake up, go to work, etc. And never have to fuel up or engage the generator.
This makes sense - the sad thing is that in theory at least, we had the technology to do this nearly a century ago. Again look at the diesel electric locomotive if you don't believe that.
Bit disheartening that we're moving so slowly on this particular issue.
I get what you're saying though, Overheal, and it makes sense.0 -
I feel better knowing I finally phrased it coherently
Yeah we did have the technology, and a good video being Who Killed the Electric Car? Fascinating Documentary, which fortunately, is quickly becoming a historical - not a political, documentary.0 -
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Whatever else you may think of them as an Authority, they're still very powerful figureheads in public opinion. And when your President is chanting Drill Baby Drill it makes it hard to think of an Electric Hybridstarbelgrade wrote: »B*llox. American presidents are just puppets. Everyone knows that.
The president is portraying an alternative energy stance and the corporations are not foolish, theyre riding the bandwagon. It just so happens to be a good one. Much in the same way every commercial and its grandmother (yes, Commercials have grandmothers) was a Recession Themed commercial in 2008. Recession Blowout this, Bailout Sale that. And every April without fail you get a bunch of Uncle Sam, Tax Rebate related commercials trying to sell you crap.0 -
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FunnyStuff wrote: »What about people who dont live in the city!?!?!?! Do we even matter?!?!?!
Or will we have to drive into yr infested hive just to charge up our cars???
well you can have the prius or the fusion hybrid the point of electric cars is to reduce emissions in highly populated area'sold_aussie wrote: »And when petrol cars first started out there were petrol stations everywhere?
I'm sure electricity is available in Ireland.
Wont take long for recharge stations to be inplace in petrol stations.
true rome wasnt built in one day everything needs time
currently only California is available to run on clean hydrogen as far as i know because the fuel stations there can supply them with hydrogen...though if the government here enforced hydrogen cells to be sold in Ireland and fuel stations it would be a great idea cause that would attract manufacturers with their hydrogen cars...
and the hole in the world is funny cause these things have been adapted to driving conditions to make it safe...its not the things we know were scared of its the things we dont know were scared off i think you should read more about hydrogen cars 0 -
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