Tactical v Regular

shawpower · 13-04-2010 10:55AM #1

Guys, I'm thinking of swapping over to the Tactical button layout on the XBox. I've tried it once or twice for a game or two, but never spent long enough at it to get fully used to it. The advantages of better control and ability to drop shot do seem to outweigh the quicker knifing ability, but this is the first FPS game I've played online, and I'm used to Regular layout at this stage. Is it really worth changing? And how long did it take others to get used to the swap?

I also thought a vote would be handy to show the the split between those that use it and those that don't.

Any other opinions welcome.

Tallon · 13-04-2010 11:51AM

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

Do it man....

"once you go tac, you never go back"

hightower1 · 13-04-2010 02:43PM

shawpower wrote: »

Guys, I'm thinking of swapping over to the Tactical button layout on the XBox. I've tried it once or twice for a game or two, but never spent long enough at it to get fully used to it. The advantages of better control and ability to drop shot do seem to outweigh the quicker knifing ability, but this is the first FPS game I've played online, and I'm used to Regular layout at this stage. Is it really worth changing? And how long did it take others to get used to the swap?

I also thought a vote would be handy to show the the split between those that use it and those that don't.

Any other opinions welcome.

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Burning Eclipse · 13-04-2010 02:49PM

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

Tallon wrote: »

Do it man....

"once you go tac, you never go back"

qft.

tbh, I haven't played MW2 since I got BFBC2, but Tallon's advice is solid. Once you get into the habit of drop-shots, you'll find yourself living through so many more encounters.

One decent session and you'll be used to it, and will never go back!

Jet Black · 13-04-2010 02:52PM

I swapped around about a month ago because when I was taking aim at the enemy and just about to fire I would accidently press the knife button and loose the kill... I switched to the tactical setup and found this did not happen as much. The problem then was I could not knife quick enough and was always being killed at close range.

I switched it back to normal after a day and dont really have my original problem. While I do see its advantage I prefer the original set-up.

Shammy · 13-04-2010 02:54PM

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Maybe you would prefer him to run around with a bow and arrow

shawpower · 13-04-2010 02:57PM

I've never tried anything but Regular.

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

LoL. Post in the bitching thread much?? :rolleyes:

I'm presuming since you dislike dropshotting, kniving and jumping, that you prefer your targets to stand nice and still in the wide open at medium range, for you to carefully take aim at? Should I also never run in games to be fun to play with? Just so I know.

If you actually read my post, you'd see I've tried the tactical layout maybe 4 games. So hardly consitutes a main point of my playstyle?? :rolleyes:

GavRedKing · 13-04-2010 02:58PM

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

I've been using it since back in MW1, it just seemed so much more "natural"

Got used to it after a few games and have been using it ever since.

Shammy · 13-04-2010 02:58PM

Different layouts for different maps and classes , if playing domination on a small to medium map i'll use tactical layout.

shawpower · 13-04-2010 03:01PM

I've never tried anything but Regular.

Shammy wrote: »

Different layouts for different maps and classes , if playing domination on a small to medium map i'll use tactical layout.

Do you not find it confusing swapping constantly?

As in you go to knife someone and instead find yourself on the floor with them shooting you in the head, or try to drop to the floor cause you see someone 50m away and instead get stuck in a knifing animation while they casually pick you off?

Oh, and I'd assume that small maps would suit Regular more, given that you're more likely to knife someone to save showing up on the radar?

Shammy · 13-04-2010 03:08PM

shawpower wrote: »

Do you not find it confusing swapping constantly?

No

shawpower wrote: »

As in you go to knife someone and instead find yourself on the floor with them shooting you in the head, or try to drop to the floor cause you see someone 50m away and instead get stuck in a knifing animation while they casually pick you off?

If i have tactical setup on i dont knife at all , just drop shot if i come up against someone in close range, they usually knife, i'm hitting the floor while shooting.

shawpower wrote: »

Oh, and I'd assume that small maps would suit Regular more, given that you're more likely to knife someone to save showing up on the radar?

Maybe , but usually i'll drop shot instead of knifing, i find it quicker to dropshot than to knife.

Enigma IE · 13-04-2010 03:19PM

Shammy wrote: »

No

If i have tactical setup on i dont knife at all , just drop shot if i come up against someone in close range, they usually knife, i'm hitting the floor while shooting.

Maybe , but usually i'll drop shot instead of knifing, i find it quicker to dropshot than to knife.

Shammy, I've played against you quite a few times and you definitely have the upper hand when it comes to close combat... so I'm taking notes here mate.

Oat23 · 13-04-2010 03:32PM

I use regular, drop shooting isn't really my thing.

If you are the host of a game and dropshot you are a noob, imo.

Host advantage + dropshot = no chance

Enigma IE · 13-04-2010 03:32PM

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Some cream with that?

claiva · 13-04-2010 03:35PM

I've never tried anything but Regular.

Enigma IE wrote: »

Shammy, I've played against you quite a few times and you definitely have the upper hand when it comes to close combat... so I'm taking notes here mate.

Me too !!!!
So what is the difference between the normal set up and the tac set up ?

krudler · 13-04-2010 03:53PM

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Indeed, I never try to get out of the way of bullets by dropping to the ground, I stand there and absorb them until dead, like a real man does. Its irritating as hell when enemy players dont stand still and let me shoot them since I saw them first so clearly I should win the encounter, some of the cheeky bastards even have the nerve to shoot back! wtf like dont they know MW2 is meant to be played by running straight into oncoming fire, not to try, y'know, dodge it?

shawpower · 13-04-2010 03:56PM

I've never tried anything but Regular.

claiva wrote: »

Me too !!!!
So what is the difference between the normal set up and the tac set up ?

Basically the right analogue stick. Normall setup means when you press it down, you swing the knife. And to duck you have to press down on B (red button to the right of the diamond). With tactical it swaps it around, where the stick when pressed in ducks you down and then also makes you lie down. The red button then is for knifing.

The thinking is that with Tactical layout, you have full controll of your movement from the two sticks, so don't need to move your thumbs from them unless you want to jump. It means you can drop to the ground much quicker, which leads to people drop-shotting. This increases your accuracy, and also reduces the target the enemy has to aim at.

The problem with it is that you'll normally lose a 1v1 knife fight when you come across someone unexpectedly because they don't have to move their thumb.

Shammy · 13-04-2010 03:56PM

On the normal setup , pressing the right toggle button is to stab , where on the tactical setup the right toggle button is to crouch/prone .

In tdm i dont have the need for tactical setup so regular does just fine.

breadmonkey · 13-04-2010 04:03PM

Loving the retard "n00b" comments in this thread so far.

I think tactical is better and would be perfect if you could knife by pressing RB+LB together.

Shammy · 13-04-2010 04:26PM

breadmonkey wrote: »

Loving the retard "n00b" comments in this thread so far.

So glad this thread amuses you "o great one"

breadmonkey wrote: »

I think tactical is better and would be perfect if you could knife by pressing RB+LB together.

But how would we get out our smoke /grenades ?

breadmonkey wrote: »

For those of you who use the tactical setup, how the hell do you knife? I switched to it recently and find I can never whip out the knife in time any more. Obviously I've been trying to always have my secondary out in close quarters but it's still costing me a lot of one v ones. Thoughts?

Look what i found

Creasy_bear · 13-04-2010 04:45PM

I tried it for a day and was brutal at it , keep shooting straight into the ground . Is there a trick to go straight to prone ?

breadmonkey · 13-04-2010 05:39PM

Shammy wrote: »

So glad this thread amuses you "o great one"

But how would we get out our smoke /grenades ?

Look what i found

You misread my post so I'll forgive the tone of yours.

I was actually referring to this guy's comments:

Oatesy23 wrote: »

I use regular, drop shooting isn't really my thing.

If you are the host of a game and dropshot you are a noob, imo.

Host advantage + dropshot = no chance

And for the record, I was referring to the knife command being RB and LB at the same time, which I maintain would be superior.

Oat23 · 13-04-2010 05:47PM

Attack the post, not the poster, breadmonkey :rolleyes:.

Please explain to me how being the host of a game, thus giving you an advantage, then dropping to the ground at the first site of an enemy and shooting them while they shoot at your non existent body that appears on their screen standing up isn't nooby?

Add in a sh!t expensive set of headphones, scavenger pro and claymores and hey presto, you can be seananners.

Shammy · 13-04-2010 05:50PM

breadmonkey wrote: »

You misread my post so I'll forgive the tone of yours.

I was actually referring to this guy's comments:

And for the record, I was referring to the knife command being RB and LB at the same time, which I maintain would be superior.

Apologies , there was no quote .

hightower1 · 13-04-2010 10:44PM

I was making the comparison between drop shotters and bunny hopping in other online shooters like counterstrike, both take full advantage of a severely broken in game mechanic to up a kill ratio nothing more, I'm stand there and anyone implying or doing so would be thick beyond normal belief but if you were in a genuine firefight would you lay on the ground ? No you'd run and gun, imho drop shotting is no better than boosting its a cowards way of playing with a main focus on only increasing stats and makes the game less enjoyable. Same grenade launcher + noob tube + oma.... taking advantage of a broken in game mechanic simply to get stats up.
By no stretch of the imagination is modern warfare a realistic game but its certainly not helped by stat hunters using broken game physics by running up to people, jumping in the air and landing on their stomachs to get kills, in fact if you do this in the game.... try it right now and see how ridiculous it is.

In regards to people saying "oh would you like them to stand still for the kill".... how dense is that? So by that logic the only defense in cqc or any firefight is a noobish drop shot? No running in the game no? no sidestepping? no cover? no sprinting? no offensive tactics? no defensive weapons or grenades no? Get a clue.

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

Creasy_bear · 13-04-2010 10:53PM

hightower1 wrote: »

I was making the comparison between drop shotters and bunny hopping in other online shooters like counterstrike, both take full advantage of a severely broken in game mechanic to up a kill ratio nothing more, I'm stand there and anyone implying or doing so would be thick beyond normal belief but if you were in a genuine firefight would you lay on the ground ? No you'd run and gun, imho drop shotting is no better than boosting its a cowards way of playing with a main focus on only increasing stats and makes the game less enjoyable. Same grenade launcher + noob tube + oma.... taking advantage of a broken in game mechanic simply to get stats up.
By no stretch of the imagination is modern warfare a realistic game but its certainly not helped by stat hunters using broken game physics by running up to people, jumping in the air and landing on their stomachs to get kills, in fact if you do this in the game.... try it right now and see how ridiculous it is.

In regards to people saying "oh would you like them to stand still for the kill".... how dense is that? So by that logic the only defense in cqc or any firefight is a noobish drop shot? No running in the game no? no sidestepping? no cover? no sprinting? no offensive tactics? no defensive weapons or grenades no? Get a clue.

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

I don't drop shot but whats the difference between the drop shot and say sidestepping with lightweight on? Surely youre just doing the same thing - trying to dodge the bullets

Although I would agree with what ( maybe it was you that said it ) about the drop shot when youre hosting is bad form

hightower1 · 13-04-2010 11:33PM

Creasy_bear wrote: »

I don't drop shot but whats the difference between the drop shot and say sidestepping with lightweight on? Surely youre just doing the same thing - trying to dodge the bullets Although I would agree with what ( maybe it was you that said it ) about the drop shot when youre hosting is kinda bad form

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

breadmonkey · 13-04-2010 11:38PM

Shammy wrote: »

Apologies , there was no quote .

Fair enough. No harm done.

Which is worse, "noobs" and their ways, or the "pros" who can't adapt and choose to whinge incessantly instead?

Creasy_bear · 14-04-2010 12:10AM

hightower1 wrote: »

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

I have to say I very rarely come across lads doing it .........campers to beat the band though

but any lads ive seen do it be it in game or on youtube , I never noticed them jumping before the actually drop shot

Cossax · 14-04-2010 12:23AM

hightower1 wrote: »

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

Sounds like one big whinge to me.
How do you know what the game designers intended? Even if you did know, what makes what the designers intended the only way the game should be played?

Ah come off it, same effect as falling from a height? Time to introduce real world physics eh? Maybe you shouldn't respawn when you die either and your healthy shouldn't regenerate.

Shammy · 14-04-2010 12:24AM

breadmonkey wrote: »

Fair enough. No harm done.

Which is worse, "noobs" and their ways, or the "pros" who can't adapt and choose to whinge incessantly instead?

If they were "pros" they would be able to adapt

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