Tactical v Regular

shawpower

Guys, I'm thinking of swapping over to the Tactical button layout on the XBox. I've tried it once or twice for a game or two, but never spent long enough at it to get fully used to it. The advantages of better control and ability to drop shot do seem to outweigh the quicker knifing ability, but this is the first FPS game I've played online, and I'm used to Regular layout at this stage. Is it really worth changing? And how long did it take others to get used to the swap?

I also thought a vote would be handy to show the the split between those that use it and those that don't.

Any other opinions welcome.

Tallon

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

Do it man....

"once you go tac, you never go back"

hightower1

shawpower wrote: »

Guys, I'm thinking of swapping over to the Tactical button layout on the XBox. I've tried it once or twice for a game or two, but never spent long enough at it to get fully used to it. The advantages of better control and ability to drop shot do seem to outweigh the quicker knifing ability, but this is the first FPS game I've played online, and I'm used to Regular layout at this stage. Is it really worth changing? And how long did it take others to get used to the swap?

I also thought a vote would be handy to show the the split between those that use it and those that don't.

Any other opinions welcome.

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Burning Eclipse

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

Tallon wrote: »

Do it man....

"once you go tac, you never go back"

qft.

tbh, I haven't played MW2 since I got BFBC2, but Tallon's advice is solid. Once you get into the habit of drop-shots, you'll find yourself living through so many more encounters.

One decent session and you'll be used to it, and will never go back!

Jet Black

I swapped around about a month ago because when I was taking aim at the enemy and just about to fire I would accidently press the knife button and loose the kill... I switched to the tactical setup and found this did not happen as much. The problem then was I could not knife quick enough and was always being killed at close range.

I switched it back to normal after a day and dont really have my original problem. While I do see its advantage I prefer the original set-up.

Shammy

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Maybe you would prefer him to run around with a bow and arrow

shawpower

I've never tried anything but Regular.

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

LoL. Post in the bitching thread much?? :rolleyes:

I'm presuming since you dislike dropshotting, kniving and jumping, that you prefer your targets to stand nice and still in the wide open at medium range, for you to carefully take aim at? Should I also never run in games to be fun to play with? Just so I know.

If you actually read my post, you'd see I've tried the tactical layout maybe 4 games. So hardly consitutes a main point of my playstyle?? :rolleyes:

GavRedKing

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

I've been using it since back in MW1, it just seemed so much more "natural"

Got used to it after a few games and have been using it ever since.

Shammy

Different layouts for different maps and classes , if playing domination on a small to medium map i'll use tactical layout.

shawpower

I've never tried anything but Regular.

Shammy wrote: »

Different layouts for different maps and classes , if playing domination on a small to medium map i'll use tactical layout.

Do you not find it confusing swapping constantly?

As in you go to knife someone and instead find yourself on the floor with them shooting you in the head, or try to drop to the floor cause you see someone 50m away and instead get stuck in a knifing animation while they casually pick you off?

Oh, and I'd assume that small maps would suit Regular more, given that you're more likely to knife someone to save showing up on the radar?

Shammy

shawpower wrote: »

Do you not find it confusing swapping constantly?

No

shawpower wrote: »

As in you go to knife someone and instead find yourself on the floor with them shooting you in the head, or try to drop to the floor cause you see someone 50m away and instead get stuck in a knifing animation while they casually pick you off?

If i have tactical setup on i dont knife at all , just drop shot if i come up against someone in close range, they usually knife, i'm hitting the floor while shooting.

shawpower wrote: »

Oh, and I'd assume that small maps would suit Regular more, given that you're more likely to knife someone to save showing up on the radar?

Maybe , but usually i'll drop shot instead of knifing, i find it quicker to dropshot than to knife.

Enigma IE

Shammy wrote: »

No


If i have tactical setup on i dont knife at all , just drop shot if i come up against someone in close range, they usually knife, i'm hitting the floor while shooting.

Maybe , but usually i'll drop shot instead of knifing, i find it quicker to dropshot than to knife.

Shammy, I've played against you quite a few times and you definitely have the upper hand when it comes to close combat... so I'm taking notes here mate.

Oat23

I use regular, drop shooting isn't really my thing.

If you are the host of a game and dropshot you are a noob, imo.

Host advantage + dropshot = no chance

Enigma IE

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Some cream with that?

claiva

I've never tried anything but Regular.

Enigma IE wrote: »

Shammy, I've played against you quite a few times and you definitely have the upper hand when it comes to close combat... so I'm taking notes here mate.

Me too !!!!
So what is the difference between the normal set up and the tac set up ?

krudler

hightower1 wrote: »

Wow, kniving and dropshotting are main points of your play style...... you must be real .... "fun" to play against.

Bet you wish there was a controll scheme to allow you bunny hop endlessly too.

Indeed, I never try to get out of the way of bullets by dropping to the ground, I stand there and absorb them until dead, like a real man does. Its irritating as hell when enemy players dont stand still and let me shoot them since I saw them first so clearly I should win the encounter, some of the cheeky bastards even have the nerve to shoot back! wtf like dont they know MW2 is meant to be played by running straight into oncoming fire, not to try, y'know, dodge it?

shawpower

I've never tried anything but Regular.

claiva wrote: »

Me too !!!!
So what is the difference between the normal set up and the tac set up ?

Basically the right analogue stick. Normall setup means when you press it down, you swing the knife. And to duck you have to press down on B (red button to the right of the diamond). With tactical it swaps it around, where the stick when pressed in ducks you down and then also makes you lie down. The red button then is for knifing.

The thinking is that with Tactical layout, you have full controll of your movement from the two sticks, so don't need to move your thumbs from them unless you want to jump. It means you can drop to the ground much quicker, which leads to people drop-shotting. This increases your accuracy, and also reduces the target the enemy has to aim at.

The problem with it is that you'll normally lose a 1v1 knife fight when you come across someone unexpectedly because they don't have to move their thumb.

Shammy

On the normal setup , pressing the right toggle button is to stab , where on the tactical setup the right toggle button is to crouch/prone .

In tdm i dont have the need for tactical setup so regular does just fine.

breadmonkey

Loving the retard "n00b" comments in this thread so far.

I think tactical is better and would be perfect if you could knife by pressing RB+LB together.

Shammy

breadmonkey wrote: »

Loving the retard "n00b" comments in this thread so far.

So glad this thread amuses you "o great one"

breadmonkey wrote: »

I think tactical is better and would be perfect if you could knife by pressing RB+LB together.

But how would we get out our smoke /grenades ?

breadmonkey wrote: »

For those of you who use the tactical setup, how the hell do you knife? I switched to it recently and find I can never whip out the knife in time any more. Obviously I've been trying to always have my secondary out in close quarters but it's still costing me a lot of one v ones. Thoughts?

Look what i found

Creasy_bear

I tried it for a day and was brutal at it , keep shooting straight into the ground . Is there a trick to go straight to prone ?

breadmonkey

Shammy wrote: »

So glad this thread amuses you "o great one"

But how would we get out our smoke /grenades ?

Look what i found

You misread my post so I'll forgive the tone of yours.

I was actually referring to this guy's comments:

Oatesy23 wrote: »

I use regular, drop shooting isn't really my thing.

If you are the host of a game and dropshot you are a noob, imo.

Host advantage + dropshot = no chance

And for the record, I was referring to the knife command being RB and LB at the same time, which I maintain would be superior.

Oat23

Attack the post, not the poster, breadmonkey :rolleyes:.

Please explain to me how being the host of a game, thus giving you an advantage, then dropping to the ground at the first site of an enemy and shooting them while they shoot at your non existent body that appears on their screen standing up isn't nooby?

Add in a sh!t expensive set of headphones, scavenger pro and claymores and hey presto, you can be seananners.

Shammy

breadmonkey wrote: »

You misread my post so I'll forgive the tone of yours.

I was actually referring to this guy's comments:



And for the record, I was referring to the knife command being RB and LB at the same time, which I maintain would be superior.

Apologies , there was no quote .

hightower1

I was making the comparison between drop shotters and bunny hopping in other online shooters like counterstrike, both take full advantage of a severely broken in game mechanic to up a kill ratio nothing more, I'm stand there and anyone implying or doing so would be thick beyond normal belief but if you were in a genuine firefight would you lay on the ground ? No you'd run and gun, imho drop shotting is no better than boosting its a cowards way of playing with a main focus on only increasing stats and makes the game less enjoyable. Same grenade launcher + noob tube + oma.... taking advantage of a broken in game mechanic simply to get stats up.
By no stretch of the imagination is modern warfare a realistic game but its certainly not helped by stat hunters using broken game physics by running up to people, jumping in the air and landing on their stomachs to get kills, in fact if you do this in the game.... try it right now and see how ridiculous it is.

In regards to people saying "oh would you like them to stand still for the kill".... how dense is that? So by that logic the only defense in cqc or any firefight is a noobish drop shot? No running in the game no? no sidestepping? no cover? no sprinting? no offensive tactics? no defensive weapons or grenades no? Get a clue.

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

Creasy_bear

hightower1 wrote: »

I was making the comparison between drop shotters and bunny hopping in other online shooters like counterstrike, both take full advantage of a severely broken in game mechanic to up a kill ratio nothing more, I'm stand there and anyone implying or doing so would be thick beyond normal belief but if you were in a genuine firefight would you lay on the ground ? No you'd run and gun, imho drop shotting is no better than boosting its a cowards way of playing with a main focus on only increasing stats and makes the game less enjoyable. Same grenade launcher + noob tube + oma.... taking advantage of a broken in game mechanic simply to get stats up.
By no stretch of the imagination is modern warfare a realistic game but its certainly not helped by stat hunters using broken game physics by running up to people, jumping in the air and landing on their stomachs to get kills, in fact if you do this in the game.... try it right now and see how ridiculous it is.

In regards to people saying "oh would you like them to stand still for the kill".... how dense is that? So by that logic the only defense in cqc or any firefight is a noobish drop shot? No running in the game no? no sidestepping? no cover? no sprinting? no offensive tactics? no defensive weapons or grenades no? Get a clue.

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

I don't drop shot but whats the difference between the drop shot and say sidestepping with lightweight on? Surely youre just doing the same thing - trying to dodge the bullets Although I would agree with what ( maybe it was you that said it ) about the drop shot when youre hosting is bad form

hightower1

Creasy_bear wrote: »

I don't drop shot but whats the difference between the drop shot and say sidestepping with lightweight on? Surely youre just doing the same thing - trying to dodge the bullets Although I would agree with what ( maybe it was you that said it ) about the drop shot when youre hosting is kinda bad form

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

breadmonkey

Shammy wrote: »

Apologies , there was no quote .

Fair enough. No harm done.

Which is worse, "noobs" and their ways, or the "pros" who can't adapt and choose to whinge incessantly instead?

Creasy_bear

hightower1 wrote: »

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

I have to say I very rarely come across lads doing it .........campers to beat the band though but any lads ive seen do it be it in game or on youtube , I never noticed them jumping before the actually drop shot

Cossax

hightower1 wrote: »

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

Sounds like one big whinge to me.
How do you know what the game designers intended? Even if you did know, what makes what the designers intended the only way the game should be played?

Ah come off it, same effect as falling from a height? Time to introduce real world physics eh? Maybe you shouldn't respawn when you die either and your healthy shouldn't regenerate.

Shammy

breadmonkey wrote: »

Fair enough. No harm done.

Which is worse, "noobs" and their ways, or the "pros" who can't adapt and choose to whinge incessantly instead?

If they were "pros" they would be able to adapt

krudler

Cossax wrote: »

Sounds like one big whinge to me.
How do you know what the game designers intended? Even if you did know, what makes what the designers intended the only way the game should be played?

Ah come off it, same effect as falling from a height? Time to introduce real world physics eh? Maybe you shouldn't respawn when you die either and your healthy shouldn't regenerate.

Ha yeah, I'm pretty sure shooting someone square in the chest at point blank range is going to outweigh anything they might have planned to do while slashing at you with a knife, but thats MW2:D

hightower1

Cossax wrote: »

Sounds like one big whinge to me.
How do you know what the game designers intended

In regards to fall physics they intended to fall from x height to hurt you and z height to not so in that aspect they intended the avatar falls and manipulation to be realistic to a basic degree. Taking that into account I am sure they didnt count on the utter cowardice of drop shotting, if they had expected it I am sure they'd have listed that into the avatar fall physics too. I guess they actually figured people would play it the way it was mean to be and not be trying desperately to scrimp a few measly stats from what can only be described as sh**y a**e tactics.

Kev_ps3

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

hightower1 wrote: »

I was making the comparison between drop shotters and bunny hopping in other online shooters like counterstrike, both take full advantage of a severely broken in game mechanic to up a kill ratio nothing more, I'm stand there and anyone implying or doing so would be thick beyond normal belief but if you were in a genuine firefight would you lay on the ground ? No you'd run and gun, imho drop shotting is no better than boosting its a cowards way of playing with a main focus on only increasing stats and makes the game less enjoyable. Same grenade launcher + noob tube + oma.... taking advantage of a broken in game mechanic simply to get stats up.
By no stretch of the imagination is modern warfare a realistic game but its certainly not helped by stat hunters using broken game physics by running up to people, jumping in the air and landing on their stomachs to get kills, in fact if you do this in the game.... try it right now and see how ridiculous it is.

In regards to people saying "oh would you like them to stand still for the kill".... how dense is that? So by that logic the only defense in cqc or any firefight is a noobish drop shot? No running in the game no? no sidestepping? no cover? no sprinting? no offensive tactics? no defensive weapons or grenades no? Get a clue.

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

I find this ironic. I played with default on cod4 for 2 years and on mw2 up to about a month ago. Switched to tactical because nearly all the top players use it. Have to say its much better then default and im still leaning to use it.

Tallon

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

hightower1 wrote: »

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

This is honestly one of the most retarded things I've read on here.....

It is purposely put into FPS games to give better gamers the advantage, it's not broken physics, it's the reason Tactical is set as an option!

You might as well say that knifing is for noobs since it's a First person Shooter and you should only be using bullets!

If you want to talk physics, check out Commando Pro and OMA

shawpower

I've never tried anything but Regular.

hightower1 wrote: »

some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole.....

Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not,

like people camping in the game,

Okay, I'm sorry. That is just wrong. If it were so easy to do, why don't you see everyone doing it? If it were as easy as camping, you'd see 50% of players doing it all the time. You don't.

Why? Because it does take a bit more effort to do than Camp/Commando/NoobToob etc etc. It means learning about the game, and changing your gamestyle.

Ironically, lots of people complained that they should have set the Tactical layout as default, as a means to combat the Commando perk. Why? Because the Commando perk is seen as a bad thing, while Drop Shotting isn't.

raze

Guys who drop shot leave their heads front and centre which is a big liability - they greatly limit their strafing movement in trade-off for consistent aim in all stances meaning they better get a kill or they're not getting up - and anyone at any time can set their control system to do this, so it can be an advantage, but it's a fair one.

Anyway, you wouldn't drop shot in all kills and it doesn't make kills any easier it just capitalises on the other guy's poor reactions so he doesn't kill you first, so it's just one more move to play the game with.

x43r0

I've never tried anything but Regular.

I made the switch to tactical last week and once I got used to it (a few hours of playing time) I started to destroy my friends in games.

Our skill levels are fairly similar in that when we play over the course of 3-4 hours, we would usually win roughly the same amount of games.

Since I went tactical I havn't lost a game and have dominated them. They simply can't handle the drop.

Saying that they will prob adjust to this after a while and i'll need a new trick :rolleyes:

Jev/N

I've never tried anything but Regular.

Have went tactical permanently in the last few weeks and defo won't go back.

Pulled out WaW last night for a few games and had to change both my layout and sensitivity settings - have defo gotten better!

The Shtig

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

Tactical is a great set up and it just doesn't mean it only benefits you from drop shotting. If you need to reload its great to fall prone to the ground to protect yourself just incase a enemy comes around the corner and it is very little hassle to do with tactical.

I do use it to drop shot but the only time i drop shot is when i come 1v1 with someone. I pretty much with replaced it with knifing since i'm usually not fast enough to hit the circle button opposed to someone using the default set up.

I've never saw anyone drop shot me from the otherside of the map its only when you bump into someone and they still aren't guaranteed to get you if you hip fire them.

krudler

Only use tactical myself now, and I dropshot when I need to, people can whinge all they want but its better than running headfirst into someone and having said head blown off

shawpower

I've never tried anything but Regular.

Interesting. Since this thread started and voting began, two people have posted here about how they've changed to Tactical and wouldn't change.

I've just prestiged again and am now thinking that I dedicate my climb up the rankings this time to learning this technique....

krudler

hightower1 wrote: »

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

I only noticed what you meant by this and dropshotting, do you mean when you actualy hit the jump button then when in mid aid click the prone stick and fall flat? thats not what people are talking about by dropshotting, when I do I just go prone as Im running, I dont jump first,its like what actual soldiers do, just lay down flat as quick as possible and get a shot off, not dive over a a stairs and land on their stomachs. That thing were people jump as soon as they see you so they're out of your crosshairs is a bit noobish, dropshotting isnt.

Tallon

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

i don't know why he's giving out, Ronaldo does drop shots in real life all the time!

SirLemonhead

Insta-proning is pretty lame, flopping about like a fish the second you see someone. I've never seen anyone get any advantage out of it, always kill them pretty easily.

Harder to hit while strafing..

Creasy_bear

SirLemonhead wrote: »

Insta-proning is pretty lame, flopping about like a fish the second you see someone. I've never seen anyone get any advantage out of it, always kill them pretty easily.

Harder to hit while strafing..

you should watch some of seananners vids ........host + drop shot = impossible to kill

Cossax

Trying Tactical again, helped me survive quite a few close in battles but I find myself pressing it when I don't mean to in firefights at times and losing out on a kill because I end up shooting at the ground (if in a dip etc.).

krudler

Cossax wrote: »

Trying Tactical again, helped me survive quite a few close in battles but I find myself pressing it when I don't mean to in firefights at times and losing out on a kill because I end up shooting at the ground (if in a dip etc.).

There is a bit of skill involved in drop shotting when someone is on a higher level than you, clicking down the stick while slightly pushing it up/down is tricky.

Creasy_bear

krudler wrote: »

There is a bit of skill involved in drop shotting when someone is on a higher level than you, clicking down the stick while slightly pushing it up/down is tricky.

I'm doing it for the past 3/4 days and I have to say I'm loving it , brings something new to the game . My problem is alot of the time I just crouch rather than go prone

Do you really have to press down hard or change the sensitivity levels maybe ?

krudler

Creasy_bear wrote: »

I'm doing it for the past 3/4 days and I have to say I'm loving it , brings something new to the game . My problem is alot of the time I just crouch rather than go prone

Do you really have to press down hard or change the sensitivity levels maybe ?

I mash it down and hold it for a second, try it in a private match with just yourself for a bit of practice,click down the stick and hold,click again to pop up. I dropshotted and quickscoped a guy the other night, that felt great

TiGeR KiNgS

I've tried both, but still preferred Regular

The drop shot is one of the most important aspects for me. Tac setup is a necessity. Took a while to get used too, but damn am I a better player for it.

Noobs don't know what hit them.