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More private-sector cuts on the way

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  • #32
    granturismo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭granturismo


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Waffle and unsubstantiated. I provide a service and manage to do it without doing as little as possible.
    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Exactly how many taxes were reduced when the public sector salaries were cut? Please answer this.


  • #33
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #34
    Citizen_Cutback
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    WalterMitty wrote: »
    taxing everyone to avoid public sector pay cuts has many probs. First it does nothing to address the pay premiums that CSO evidence shows exists between equivalently qualified/experienced private and public workers and those premiums do not even include the other premiums in terms of security and pensions.
    Also so far the government ahs actually raised income taxes on everyone but this hasnt increased the tax haul . Rising rates doesnt equal more tax revenue. Also we cant afford to increase corp tax as it would lead to MNCs leaving and deter more companies coming here. Look at how succesfull we have been at attracting the head offices in Europe of Google ,ebay etc. We want to remain/achieve status the most attractive place in Europe to locate investment. High cost of public service feeds into private sector costs and make us less attractive and can also suck in over qualified people who are better needed in wealth creating private exporting sector.

    The question remains why is the Private Sector not creating more jobs if it can keep 87.5% of it's profits?

    Is it because the Irish Private Sector is interested in making profits but not by increased production and increased employment but by speculation and rip-off etc...?


  • #35
    Citizen_Cutback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Citizen_Cutback


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    You objectivity as moderator is under question!

    If you quote please quote the full sentence.


  • #36
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    The question remains why is the Private Sector not creating more jobs if it can keep 87.5% of it's profits?

    Is it because the Irish Private Sector is interested in making profits but not by increased production and increased employment but by speculation and rip-off etc...?

    What profits?

    have you looked at corporation tax returns lately?


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  • #37
    IrishTonyO
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    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    There will be no more cuts in Public Sector wages.

    Oh well then glad to see you are so sure and confident about that. I reckon a big dose of reality will hit you very soon when more paycuts come next budget if this agreement is rejected.


  • #38
    Citizen_Cutback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Citizen_Cutback


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    What profits?

    have you looked at corporation tax returns lately?

    They must be investing in the Director's Pension fund then.

    The working stiffs have to pay the majority of taxes in this country!


  • #39
    Permabear
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  • #40
    DidierMc
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    murphaph wrote: »
    That's how we finally started to get out of the last one ;)

    Actually it was through export led growth. But let's not bother with the facts eh?


  • #41
    Permabear
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  • #42
    Nody
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    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    There will be no more cuts in Public Sector wages.

    Get the money somewhere else and don't expect to find the answers in the Irish Independent.
    I got a lovely red bridge for sale...


  • #43
    Citizen_Cutback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Citizen_Cutback


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    The point is you have let boards.ie down by quoting part of a sentence to make your point.

    My contention is that your moderator privileges must be under question.


  • #44
    zootroid
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    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    There will be no more cuts in Public Sector wages.

    Get the money somewhere else and don't expect to find the answers in the Irish Independent.

    Care to suggest an area where the government could make savings?
    Actually it was through export led growth. But let's not bother with the facts eh?

    Which only happened once the state's finances were brought under control


  • #45
    murphaph
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    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Oh I nearly split my sides laughing at that, nice one DF. :D


  • #46
    Citizen_Cutback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Citizen_Cutback


    zootroid wrote: »
    Care to suggest an area where the government could make savings?

    I though that the neo-liberalists on this board should now realise that it is the Private Sector that is not performing in this Republic of ours.

    The Private Sector has not increased output or employment but aims to increase it's profits by increasing prices to consumers and generally ripping us off whenever they can.

    We do not have an export led economy because our indigenous Private Sector is run by Gombeens.


  • #47
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    I though that the neo-liberalists on this board should now realise that it is the Private Sector that is not performing in this Republic of ours.

    The Private Sector has not increased output or employment but aims to increase it's profits by increasing prices to consumers and generally ripping us off whenever they can.

    We do not have an export led economy because our indigenous Private Sector is run by Gombeens.

    any figures at all to backup that opinion of yours?


  • #48
    Citizen_Cutback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Citizen_Cutback


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    any figures at all to backup that opinion of yours?
    The usual ploy of asking for figures!

    What figures do you want? The number of Gombeens involved in running our indigenous Private Sector?


  • #49
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    The usual ploy of asking for figures!

    What figures do you want? The number of Gombeens involved in running our indigenous Private Sector?

    i try where possible to backup my opinion/thesis with references, it be nice if more people did that too

    you can start by looking at import/export figures
    the proceede to lookup the number employed now and few years in export generating part of the private sector, and for that matter anything not related to construction
    hint i had a thread on subject recently with plenty of graphs and figures on above

    your post is nothing more than waffle thats not grounded in reality


  • #50
    zootroid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭zootroid


    Citizen_Cutback wrote: »
    I though that the neo-liberalists on this board should now realise that it is the Private Sector that is not performing in this Republic of ours.

    The Private Sector has not increased output or employment but aims to increase it's profits by increasing prices to consumers and generally ripping us off whenever they can.

    We do not have an export led economy because our indigenous Private Sector is run by Gombeens.

    The falling prices seen over the past two years would tell a different story.

    And our exports are now increasing, so we are becoming more competitive. It's just we were so uncompetitive and our economy was too reliant on construction that we are still in recession.


  • #51
    murf313
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    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    sorry but do you have proof that PS is overpaid 30-50%? thats a pretty sweeping statement?


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  • #52
    murf313
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    murphaph wrote: »
    Oh I nearly split my sides laughing at that, nice one DF. :D
    wow thats sad..... :eek:


  • #53
    murphaph
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    DidierMc wrote: »
    Actually it was through export led growth. But let's not bother with the facts eh?
    Not until Haughey cut public sector spending dramatically and was able to reduce corporation tax as a result. The export led growth that followed was a direct result of that policy. But let's not bother with the facts eh?


  • #54
    IrishTonyO
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    murf313 wrote: »
    sorry but do you have proof that PS is overpaid 30-50%? thats a pretty sweeping statement?

    look up the figures they are on the CSO site and there were compiled by public servants

    picture.php?albumid=942&pictureid=5864


  • #55
    murf313
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    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    look up the figures they are on the CSO site and there were compiled by public servants

    picture.php?albumid=942&pictureid=5864
    some how i doubt it will say "PS are overpaid 30-50%".

    have you people nothing better to be doing accept sitting on this giving out about public servants?


  • #56
    IrishTonyO
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    murf313 wrote: »
    some how i doubt it will say "PS are overpaid 30-50%".

    have you people nothing better to be doing accept sitting on this giving out about public servants?

    doubt it all you want it does say the average public service salary is 30-50% greater than the average private sector salary. Ignore figures if you want but please have some basis for ignoring them, not just that it doesn't suit your ideas, arguments or lack thereof.

    Maybe something better you could be doing is checking facts and figures, it helps to form a balanced judgement


  • #57
    murf313
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭murf313


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    doubt it all you want it does say the average public service salary is 30-50% greater than the average private sector salary. Ignore figures if you want but please have some basis for ignoring them, not just that it doesn't suit your ideas, arguments or lack thereof.

    Maybe something better you could be doing is checking facts and figures, it helps to form a balanced judgement
    BALANCED JUDGEMENT????

    thats a good one!!! there is no such thing on this board!

    many times ive said i agree that pay has to be cut, share the pain and all that! but it has to stop some where......

    but you people wont be happy until everyone in the public service is on the breadline.

    i work damn hard for my pay every week but i still see crap like "lazy workers, 23 tea breaks a day, gold plated pensions etc.) it gets old.....


  • #58
    Spudmonkey
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    murf313 wrote: »
    many times ive said i agree that pay has to be cut, share the pain and all that! but it has to stop some where......

    It stops when the books are balanced and we aren't borrowing anymore for day to day spending!


  • #59
    murf313
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭murf313


    Spudmonkey wrote: »
    It stops when the books are balanced and we aren't borrowing anymore for day to day spending!
    more high horse crap.

    no-one here really cares about balancing books....

    deep down your all pissed off because someone has something thats better than you and you want it taken off them. when you strip away all the figure quoting and rhetoric, its just plain jealousy. its human nature


  • #60
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    murf313 wrote: »
    more high horse crap.

    no-one here really cares about balancing books....

    deep down your all pissed off because someone has something thats better than you and you want it taken off them. when you strip away all the figure quoting and rhetoric, its just plain jealousy. its human nature

    no we can just continue borrowing forever... :rolleyes:
    typical answer i would expect to hear we hear from Union leadership, and is nonsense as anyone with a bit of common sense remaining would quickly understand



    you asked where it stops

    2003-2004 is the answer

    things werent so bad in 2003 where they? we still had public services and welfare

    all the "growth" since then has been an illusion


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  • #61
    Flex
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    murf313 wrote: »
    more high horse crap.

    no-one here really cares about balancing books....

    deep down your all pissed off because someone has something thats better than you and you want it taken off them. when you strip away all the figure quoting and rhetoric, its just plain jealousy. its human nature

    It would be more accurate to state that you are in denial (refusing to acknowledge ERSI reports, CSO statistics, comparisons of pay to other OECD countries, current tax revenue vs expenditure, etc and trying to dismiss them with "facts and figures are meaningless" type statements and hyberbolic strawmen arguments), rather than everyone else being jealous.


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