Traitors to Ireland

Theta · 31-03-2010 02:24PM

recylingbin wrote: »

He split the county in two.
That's a fact.

saved the country
that's an opinion. And an ill thought out one at that.

Ah now lads come on. It was all going to be a bit of fun! Lets not start one of these threads again!

dlofnep · 31-03-2010 02:24PM

Are we that short of talent that we actually want to claim Terry Wogan? The Brits can have him, and Graham Norton too.

recylingbin · 31-03-2010 02:25PM

Biggins wrote: »

I disagree with the Collins bit.
Those not aware of well recorded historic fact will not know of the mess Dev placed him in on purpose and more importantly - why!
Dev was a two faced sod!

Stop learning history from films.

aDeener · 31-03-2010 02:27PM

that fucking prick conor cruise o'brien

Biggins · 31-03-2010 02:32PM

recylingbin wrote: »

Stop learning history from films.

Give me some credit!

Historians have put forth after much study, that De Valera deliberately put Collins in this situation knowing that if he came back with an unacceptable treaty, it would seriously damage the reputation of Collins and weaken whatever political kudos he had in Ireland - therefore removing any potential threat he may have been to de Valera at a political level.

bonerm · 31-03-2010 02:32PM

Graham Norton. The ponce acts like he was born and bred in the UK.

Fratton Fred · 31-03-2010 02:33PM

Biggins wrote: »

He does it in jest and you know he's not serious.
Wogan used to do it with full venom and you knew by his tone, he was serious.

Many years ago when living with me mammy, she used to flick over to listen to the gobschite and what he might say.
The treacherous leach would rant about the Irish, forgetting where he actually came from and where he started in the business.

Don't let my Mum hear you talk ill of jer dear Terence, she is a confirmed TOG. (Terry's Old Geezers for those of you who never had the pleasure of his Radio 2 breakfast show)

lugha · 31-03-2010 02:34PM

aDeener wrote: »

that fucking prick conor cruise o'brien

My hero!

Well not exactly, but he did stand up the to the IRA. Kudos for that.

Biggins · 31-03-2010 02:35PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Don't let my Mum hear you talk ill of jer dear Terence, she is a confirmed TOG. (Terry's Old Geezers for those of you who never had the pleasure of his Radio 2 breakfast show)

Aaa well, we all have our crosses to bare! :pac:

The_Minister · 31-03-2010 02:36PM

recylingbin wrote: »

On a serious note, I wonder how much it would have cost the govt to pay off everyone's mortgage and if it would have facilitated a recovery of sorts at a much lower cost to the exchequer while benefitting a hell of a lot of people.

The thing is, we can't afford to lose all the money we've given to the banks - we are relying on the fact that most of it can be recouped. We aren't just 'giving' the money away, it all still needs to be repaid.

Paying off everyone's mortgage would have bankrupted the country as there was no way that the money could be recouped.

Everything needs to be paid for.

lugha · 31-03-2010 02:39PM

The_Minister wrote: »

The thing is, we can't afford to lose all the money we've given to the banks - we are relying on the fact that most of it can be recouped. We aren't just 'giving' the money away, it all still needs to be repaid.

Paying off everyone's mortgage would have bankrupted the country as there was no way that the money could be recouped.

Everything needs to be paid for.

I see "make up words" man, David McWilliams pointed out today that Britain are still paying off loans borrowed to finance WW1. :eek:

star.chaser · 31-03-2010 02:39PM

traveling people

AnonoBoy · 31-03-2010 02:40PM

Lord Haw-Haw.

Even though he was born in New York he grew up in Ireland.

lugha · 31-03-2010 02:41PM

star.chaser wrote: »

traveling people

Says the guy posting from the moon!

Fratton Fred · 31-03-2010 02:42PM

lugha wrote: »

I see "make up words" man, David McWilliams pointed out today that Britain are still paying off loans borrowed to finance WW1. :eek:

I thin WW1 and WWII loans were finally paid off about three years ago, nicely in time to spend 24 gazillion bailing out RBS.

lugha · 31-03-2010 02:42PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Lord Haw-Haw.

Even though he was born in New York he grew up in Ireland.

Seeing as how is was officially a British traitor doesn't than automatically make him an Irish patriot?

lugha · 31-03-2010 02:43PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I thin WW1 and WWII loans were finally paid off about three years ago, nicely in time to spend 24 gazillion bailing out RBS.

Oh God no! So David is wrong about something? :eek:

Fratton Fred · 31-03-2010 02:46PM

lugha wrote: »

Seeing as how is was officially a British traitor doesn't than automatically make him an Irish patriot?

He was only granted British citizenship so they could hang him for treason.

His trial was great, it was a case of him being sentenced to death and then charges made up to justify the sentence.

He certainly was no Irish hero, that's for sure.

hooradiation · 31-03-2010 02:47PM

Biggins wrote: »

Just on that question, I'd say Terry Wogan a few times.
I remember a LOT of Eurovisions and he real spitefully knocking not just the Irish song entry but the person doing it as well ...and thats besides knocking our country for choosing it.

Ok some songs were absolutely bad but he should/could have been more professional about his words about it/us/the singer.

Wait, so he doesn't fawn over the fuckawful songs we field into the eurovision and you're convinced he's a *gasp* traitor?

Jesus fucking wept....

Fratton Fred · 31-03-2010 02:48PM

lugha wrote: »

Oh God no! So David is wrong about something? :eek:

WWI debts paid off in 1934, WWII debts paid off in 2006. Germany are still paying their WWI reparations though.

ejmaztec · 31-03-2010 02:48PM

bonerm wrote: »

Graham Norton. The ponce acts like he was born and bred in the UK.

He might as well have been, being as his ancestors blew in from Yorkshire in the 17th century, according to the "Who do you think you are?" programme. Thank God he went home.

..and the only time that he was funny was when Father Ted's holiday caravan got wrecked.

ejmaztec · 31-03-2010 02:52PM

lugha wrote: »

Seeing as how is was officially a British traitor doesn't than automatically make him an Irish patriot?

Weren't he and his family informers, tipping off the British when they were living in Ireland?

lugha · 31-03-2010 02:54PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Weren't he and his family informers, tipping off the British when they were living in Ireland?

Hadn't heard that before. I've only heard of his DJing career.

Executive Steve · 31-03-2010 03:19PM

Nemanja91 wrote: »

All local politicians who become ministers and forget were they came from.

I just don't like politicians

I think one of the main problems with Irish politics is that far too many ministers remember where they're from...

Executive Steve · 31-03-2010 03:20PM

TheDuderino wrote: »

“I will not be accused of seeking to cause treason to my country,” he said. “I find that beyond the pale.”
B Cowan

Sooooooo, does that mean his loyalty is to The Pale and so to Her Majesty in the UK?

Fraudian Slip methinks (yes I know... freudian - fraudian)

That's it lads, I've only read this much of the thread so far but there's hardly going to be a more genuinely ****ing bat**** crazy post in this thread than this one... Or is there?

Executive Steve · 31-03-2010 03:21PM

Biggins wrote: »

Just on that question, I'd say Terry Wogan a few times.
I remember a LOT of Eurovisions and he real spitefully knocking not just the Irish song entry but the person doing it as well ...and thats besides knocking our country for choosing it.

Ok some songs were absolutely bad but he should/could have been more professional about his words about it/us/the singer.

...then he would kiss ass to the brits! :rolleyes:

This one's almost worse...

Executive Steve · 31-03-2010 03:23PM

bonerm wrote: »

Graham Norton. The ponce acts like he was born and bred in the UK.

They can keep him as far as I'm concerned.

Mary McAleese is a traitor IMO. Utterly in thrall of the Vatican, and a traitor to her gender and to all European ideals of free speech on the basis of her comments in her speech in Saudi Arabia.

Biggins · 31-03-2010 03:23PM

Executive Steve wrote: »

This one's almost worse...

Thanks.

If one is going to fcuk up, one might as well do it right!

- there again if one poster bothered their arse to actually read my posts about Wogan, I said Wogan could have been more professional about his choice of words, not just what he was having a go at! I admitted we let thru some absolute junk!

- Speaking of screwing up... Whats with all the multiple posts? One after the other.
The "Edit" button is there for use, not as a word function in the Chinese Propaganda Ministry!

Executive Steve · 31-03-2010 03:28PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

He might as well have been, being as his ancestors blew in from Yorkshire in the 17th century, according to the "Who do you think you are?" programme.

God I love Ireland

RMD · 31-03-2010 03:30PM

recylingbin wrote: »

Roy Keane walked out on his country.
Michael Collins split his country in two.
Stephen Ireland walked out on his country.

There's something about Cork. I'm going to say all of them.

Ah now, Keane only showed a bit of back bone.
Collins got us the best we'd get.
And Steve's granny died........twice.....give the poor fella a break.

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