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Guidance on Import License

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  • #32
    intershoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭intershoot


    demonloop wrote: »
    If said 'helpful dealer' could take the box of ammo to the exact border, toes on the line, and set the box on the line, making sure to keep his hands on the north side and then the customer, standing just south of the line lifted the box, which would be halfway over the line, would that be OK?

    You would obviously have to get it in writing too! :rolleyes: Thats the best way to avoid un-necessary paperwork!

    There is always one!!! :P


  • #33
    FS_Target
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭FS_Target


    There is always one!!!

    Is that the one willing to break the law or abide by it?


  • #34
    dCorbus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    Lads, let's not be on here accusing each of other of "being willing to break the law", shall we?:o

    If it is in fact "against the law", then I'm sure any "helpful dealer" who might take such "helpful" actions would be fully aware of the circumstances and consequences, before taking such a "risky", and, in your opinion, "illegal" action?

    In either scenario mentioned above, no laws of Ireland would have been broken IMHO and AFAIK.

    Can't say this for 110% sure though, as I'm not a member of the Gardai, DoJ, PSNI, Customs & Excise, Revenue, etc. nor am I a Solicitor or a Barrister - As you seem to be an expert in this legal area, perhaps you could enlighten us and provide us all with a definitive legal opinion on the matter. Thanks.:D

    If you're not a member of the legal profession or a member of any of the abovementioned Law Enforcement agencies, then perhaps you could state that these are you own OPINIONS - and not go accusing other posters of illegal activities or of being willing to "break the law"? Just a thought. Thanks.:)

    (P.S. See mods, didn't even mention the L word there!:D:D:D)


  • #35
    FS_Target
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭FS_Target


    I am not, in no way, accusing any poster on this site of breaking any laws or any illegal activities in this state or any other state.
    My my area of expertise
    Comments posted where my opinions

    Each to his own.


  • #36
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Thing is, FS_Target does actually have a valid point.
    Yes, I've no doubt that this does go on regularly in the real world. I have equally little doubt that the Powers That Be know about it and approve of the avoidance of paperwork and non-expenditure of valuable manhours on regulating an activity that is recognised (if tacitly) as being utterly harmless and safe by those PTB, and that they therefore turn a blind eye to it on a day-to-day basis so long as noone does anything too stupid. Such is the country we live in.

    But that's what they're doing - turning a blind eye. That's not the same thing as allowing it or saying it's okay. If you should ever encounter a Garda who wishes to inspect all your paperwork while carrying out said activity, you're -- to use the technical term -- utterly boned.

    Personally, I'm risk-averse about such things because a conviction for firearms smuggling doesn't look great on an engineer's CV...


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  • #37
    FS_Target
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭FS_Target


    I meant not my area of expertise. I'm just a target shooter.

    Each to his own


  • #38
    intershoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭intershoot


    here is another one for you;

    what happens when you walk in to a gun shop, arrange to trade your current gun in against a new one.

    The deal is done, and you now have to (in the North anyway) surrender your permit for the change of details.

    Do you hold on to your gun until the new one is added to your permit, or do you do without any gun until your permit returns, which may take 3 months?


  • #39
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    You hold onto your current license until the new one is issued (in case you are refused, you can reclaim your firearm). As to the firearm itself, if trading the dealer would take the firearm in then and there as security against damage and deposit on the new one. So the choice is somewhat taken out of your hands.
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  • #40
    intershoot
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    ezridax wrote: »
    You hold onto your current license until the new one is issued (in case you are refused, you can reclaim your firearm). As to the firearm itself, if trading the dealer would take the firearm in then and there as security against damage and deposit on the new one. So the choice is somewhat taken out of your hands.

    Aye, but its slightly different with us.

    We have everything on the one permit, so it has to be sent of for a variation, which can take up to 3 months.

    The point is, its another 'grey' area. While your permit is away for renewal you are in limbo, one firearm is coming off, and another is going on. To be safe you would hand in your current firearm, and await the new one. In the case of vermin control this may not be practical.

    You can hold on to the original until the permit comes back with the change, but then you have in your possesion a firearm which is not on your permit.

    Anyway, I digress, the authorities recognise the difficulty in managing every last detail of the process's involved. I wouldnt say they turn a blind eye, but they grant a degree of leeway to people that are try to work within the guidelines as best as possible, and in my experience, unless you are being either a twat, or trying to pull a fast one, they wont be convicting you for gunrunning!


  • #41
    dCorbus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    The point I was trying to make earlier was that if the Purchaser (from the South) has a legit import licence, and the RFD (from the North) transports and facilitates collection of the ammunition and / or firearm south of the border (beit 1cm or 1km), and said RFD has checked with the relevant NI authorities, then all is legit - the purchaser has permission from the DoJ to import and the RFD is kosher with the NI authorities. All good:).

    (Assuming the ammo purchase is within the shooters permitted ammo allowance on their FAC of course)

    I was not saying, or recommending, that a shooter from the RoI should bring in ammo without the legit paperwork (and the Purchaser should make sure that they at no stage crosses into NI with the goods in question - kinda tricky to do with some of the criss-cross-border roads).

    So in this particular scenario, all is kosher as far as the RoI authorities should be concerned IMHO / AFAIK as they have a record of said importation:D.


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