Drink on Good Friday

Rented Mule · 15-03-2010 06:37PM

Paparazzo · 15-03-2010 06:42PM

The LVA will get rid of this ridiclious law, I reckon this will be one of the last dry good fridays. Pubs could do with the cash, the public want the option of going to the pub and the credability of the church is at an all time low.

As mentioned before, if any christians don't want to drink on good friday, they don't have to. We don't need a law to close down alcohol sales for the rest of us.

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 06:52PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

The LVA will get rid of this ridiclious law, I reckon this will be one of the last dry good fridays. Pubs could do with the cash, the public want the option of going to the pub and the credability of the church is at an all time low.

As mentioned before, if any christians don't want to drink on good friday, they don't have to. We don't need a law to close down alcohol sales for the rest of us.

Actually I think you'll find the majority of people, Atheist or not enjoy having a day of no youth staggering out of pubs in the middle of the night.

syklops · 15-03-2010 07:00PM

brianthebard wrote: »

Those same auld wans didn't seem to have a problem doing their groceries in Dunnes today while I was there, and on the day of rest and all.
Traditions like these which are quite superficial (the shop closing and stuff, not the religious aspects) can and have been easily let go in the past, there's no reason why good friday couldn't also change without too many grannies swooning.

FATHER DOUGAL: And what about when you weren't allowed eat meat on Fridays? How come that's all right now but it wasn't back then? I mean, did the people who ate meat on Fridays back then, did they all go to hell or what? I mean it's mad!

Here is something I (syklops) dont understand. If through death we are reborn with Christ, why do people give a fiddlers about the body after death? Why do christians have funerals and bury the body and say prayers that they will go to heaven? Surely if, when you die, you go to heaven with Christ, so the body is just redundant? Why not Just stick it in the wheelie Bin because the person who had it before is now gone elsewhere. Always seemed like a double standard to me.

Paparazzo · 15-03-2010 07:38PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Actually I think you'll find the majority of people, Atheist or not enjoy having a day of no youth staggering out of pubs in the middle of the night.

Take a look at the poll above then. And how many non drinking christians are walking around towns at the middle of the night to be bothered?

syklops wrote: »

Here is something I (syklops) dont understand. If through death we are reborn with Christ, why do people give a fiddlers about the body after death? Why do christians have funerals and bury the body and say prayers that they will go to heaven? Surely if, when you die, you go to heaven with Christ, so the body is just redundant? Why not Just stick it in the wheelie Bin because the person who had it before is now gone elsewhere. Always seemed like a double standard to me.

Because they're made up fairytails!

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 07:48PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Take a look at the poll above then. And how many non drinking christians are walking around towns at the middle of the night to be bothered?

You do know that Boards.ie is not representative of the general Irish populace, right ?

Jordan Berbatov · 15-03-2010 07:53PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You do know that Boards.ie is not representative of the general Irish populace, right ?

we are the only ones that matter

Paparazzo · 15-03-2010 07:56PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You do know that Boards.ie is not representative of the general Irish populace, right ?

It means more than you saying "I think you'll find the majority......."
It was discussed on numerous radio shows and in newspapers and very very few people support the ban.
There's not one single reason pubs shouldn't be allowed to serve alcohol as normal. As I said, any christian can practice his religion, unless he's an alcoholic and can't help himself. Even then, in that case, he'll have stocked up.
And if you read this thread you'll see it's the second busiest day in the off licence trade, so you'll still have your problem of drunken youths

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 08:08PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

It means more than you saying "I think you'll find the majority......."
It was discussed on numerous radio shows and in newspapers and very very few people support the ban.

Now whos failing to support comments ? "Numerous radio shows and newspapers" are hardly and airtight arguement.

Paparazzo wrote: »

There's not one single reason pubs shouldn't be allowed to serve alcohol as normal. As I said, any christian can practice his religion, unless he's an alcoholic and can't help himself. Even then, in that case, he'll have stocked up.

There is a very good reason, tradition. Ireland is a Catholic country. And tough I am Atheist myself I respect that. (Hell, my 18th birthday is on Good Friday, I have every reason to hate the ban.)

The only people who want these pubs open are greedy Publicans and Drunkards who want to avail of a Bank Holiday friday to Booze themselves up.

Paparazzo wrote: »

And if you read this thread you'll see it's the second busiest day in the off licence trade, so you'll still have your problem of drunken youths

Hence why off licences should be closed on Good Friday.

15-03-2010 08:15PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Hence why off licences should be closed on Good Friday.

So everyone stocks up on thursday night like prohibition is coming into effect, and probably ends up worse drunk on friday than if it had been a normal day.

I've gotten the general idea of the don't open side - tradition (which is ridiculous, just because something has always been done doesn't mean there's necessarily a good reason for it, nor that it should never be stopped, it's the last argument of the 'I don't have a reason it just IS') and "can you not stop drinking for one day". Well imo it's not about not drinking for one day, it's about the option. I don't go shopping on sundays unless it's some emergency or I want to hop down to the corner shop, but it drives me absolutely up the wall to know I CAN'T go shopping on sundays when I'm over in germany.

If you're a christian, then don't go to the pub. Nobody is going to force you. You have the option of not going. Non-christians or non-devout christians, of whom there are many in modern Ireland, do NOT have that option.
No need to ruin it for everyone else who doesn't agree with you!

citizen_p · 15-03-2010 08:21PM

its suposed to be a republic, not a catholic state...pubs should open, if people are religious they dont have to go in. simple....its called will power

also wtf is the point of closing retail business on days that other businesses are off....they would get more revenue on that single day than the mon-thursday before it put together.

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 08:30PM

Mousey- wrote: »

its suposed to be a republic, not a catholic state...pubs should open, if people are religious they dont have to go in. simple....its called will power

Actually Ireland is a Catholic state.

Mousey- wrote: »

also wtf is the point of closing retail business on days that other businesses are off....they would get more revenue on that single day than the mon-thursday before it put together.

People will spend their money any way, if not on Drink on Good friday then in the shops next Monday. We aren't losing revenue.

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 08:37PM

bluewolf wrote: »

So everyone stocks up on thursday night like prohibition is coming into effect, and probably ends up worse drunk on friday than if it had been a normal day.

How is this and arguement for opening the pubs ? More like an arguement that people are stupid which I fully agree with.

bluewolf wrote: »

I've gotten the general idea of the don't open side - tradition (which is ridiculous, just because something has always been done doesn't mean there's necessarily a good reason for it, nor that it should never be stopped, it's the last argument of the 'I don't have a reason it just IS')

Stopping people from Drinking is a good reason.

bluewolf wrote: »

and "can you not stop drinking for one day". Well imo it's not about not drinking for one day, it's about the option. I don't go shopping on sundays unless it's some emergency or I want to hop down to the corner shop, but it drives me absolutely up the wall to know I CAN'T go shopping on sundays when I'm over in germany.

Now you sound like a spoilt toddler who has been told he can't have any Seven Up because he was bold, "But I WANT it !!1!!1"

I person born in Ireland complaining about personal freedoms because he can't buy beer two days a year is just sad.

bluewolf wrote: »

If you're a christian, then don't go to the pub. Nobody is going to force you. You have the option of not going. Non-christians or non-devout christians, of whom there are many in modern Ireland, do NOT have that option.
No need to ruin it for everyone else who doesn't agree with you!

I'm not Christian, I'm just a person who enjoys the pubs being closed twice a year.

alex73 · 15-03-2010 08:39PM

Clinque wrote: »

Haha I think these are the two days of the year I drink the most!!

There is no law against drinking Alcohol, stockup and drink away. The law is against serving alcohol, and well I think 2 days without it won't kill anyone.

Spanish Eyes · 15-03-2010 08:45PM

Not too long ago pubs were closed on St. Patrick's Day. Now they are open, and everyone (bar a few muppets) enjoy themselves. What controversy did that cause - opening up the bars on SPD I mean?

Catholic tradition my foot. Spain, Italy, France etc. have no such restrictive licensing laws, and from what I have seen in Spain, Easter week is a frenzy of processions and such like which are a spectacle in themselves. The pubs are still open. So those who like the tradition do it, those who want a pint do it. All are happy.

I agree with an earlier poster, this will go soon. Laws for religious reasons have no place in a secular society. If not, sooner or later every Friday will be alcohol free since the Muslims might be offended, etc. etc. Allowing laws for religious reasons just leads to trouble IMV.

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 09:05PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I agree with an earlier poster, this will go soon. Laws for religious reasons have no place in a secular society. If not, sooner or later every Friday will be alcohol free since the Muslims might be offended, etc. etc. Allowing laws for religious reasons just leads to trouble IMV.

For the last time, Ireland is not a secular country. If you want to secularise it then petition for a referendum. But as it stands we are not secular.

Rebelheart · 15-03-2010 09:27PM

Excellent! I finally found the background to the ban on pubs selling alcohol on Good Friday (a ban which extended to St Patrick's Day until 1960):

"In 1927, the Intoxicating Liquor Act enshrined in law that alcoholic drink could not be sold on Christmas Day, Good Friday and St Patrick's Day.
The law relating to St Patrick's Day was later repealed in the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1960 to cater for foreign visitors coming to celebrate the national feast day."

Source: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/exemptions-from-good-friday-alcoholsale-ban-2092393.html

thetonynator · 15-03-2010 09:33PM

The reason the pubs are closed on good friday is because the government, this being a catholic state dont want the whole country staggering around the towns drunk on one of the most important reverant sombre days in the churchs calender. It doesn't matter if everyone gets sh!tfaced at home, at least they're not out disgracing themselves on the street.

We are a Catholic state. If you go to the middle east, say abu dhabi, and they dont sell you alcohol during ramadam, you wouldn't complain, because you'd probably be shot by someone. At least in this country, we can respect religion and have our traditions without being ridiculously over the top. It's one day. - don't say its 2 days, christmas day is nominal really, who is actually going to spend christmas day getting in a pub anyway . . .

extraice · 15-03-2010 09:43PM

thetonynator
The reason the pubs are closed on good friday is because the government, this being a catholic state dont want the whole country staggering around the towns drunk on one of the most important reverant sombre days in the churchs calender. It doesn't matter if everyone gets sh!tfaced at home, at least they're not out disgracing themselves on the street. ?

Will spanish eyes , and myself see pub onpen 24 hours aday in spain and dose no problems , what i can see is closeing time here and every one get 2 - 3 - 4 drink and down then ...

if pub want to open from 6 pm think that ok on good friday

catholic state government ... so that why the chruch up the sh1tes

Spanish Eyes · 15-03-2010 09:44PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

For the last time, Ireland is not a secular country. If you want to secularise it then petition for a referendum. But as it stands we are not secular.

Chill out mate (Oh I see you were frozen!). Still, laws for religious reasons have no place in our society. I wish it was truly secular, but in practice it is today for many.

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 09:53PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Chill out mate (Oh I see you were frozen!). Still, laws for religious reasons have no place in our society. I wish it was truly secular, but in practice it is today for many.

Whether or not they have a place in our society doesn't really matter. Ireland is not a secular country.

Spanish Eyes · 15-03-2010 09:55PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wether or not they have a place in our society doesn't really matter. Ireland is not a secular country.

Well it does matter, it matters very much because I just love having an opinion on something. Well at least we can speak relatively freely here, even if it is not a secular State.

ScumLord · 15-03-2010 09:55PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Whether or not they have a place in our society doesn't really matter. Ireland is not a secular country.

I demand a recount!

Joey the lips · 15-03-2010 09:59PM

I dont see the problem with Pubs being open however I am a catholic and will because of that not drink

I dont think anyone should follow me if they choose not to...

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 10:16PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well it does matter, it matters very much because I just love having an opinion on something. Well at least we can speak relatively freely here, even if it is not a secular State.

Ireland has freedom of speech galor. In fact some may argue it has too much.

And freedom of speech can exist in a non-secular state. The two are not un-mixable ideals.

15-03-2010 10:18PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

How is this and arguement for opening the pubs ? More like an arguement that people are stupid which I fully agree with.

Stopping people from Drinking is a good reason.

as I mentioned above, it won't stop anyone from drinking. It's a pretend "we know they'll drink anyway but we'll look like we're doing something" solution.

Now you sound like a spoilt toddler who has been told he can't have any Seven Up because he was bold, "But I WANT it !!1!!1"

Wanting personal freedoms is being a toddler. Right.

I person born in Ireland complaining about personal freedoms because he can't buy beer two days a year is just sad.

People insisting a pub be closed down for their own personal beliefs is just sad. Oh look, 2 can play at that game.
Do you go around ridiculing everyone else's wish for personal freedoms? It's not about the drink, it's about the principle. I don't even drink alcohol.

I'm not Christian, I'm just a person who enjoys the pubs being closed twice a year.

Any other thread, I'd be more inclined to ban alcohol altogether.

People CAN drink on good friday. They stock up and buy it on the day before. People want the atmosphere and social aspect and most importantly the FREEDOM to go to the pub on a friday if they want.

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 10:27PM

bluewolf wrote: »

as I mentioned above, it won't stop anyone from drinking. It's a pretend "we know they'll drink anyway but we'll look like we're doing something" solution.

More like, "we know they are drinking in private but just so long as they aren't making fools of themselves in public".

bluewolf wrote: »

Wanting personal freedoms is being a toddler. Right.

You have personal freedom, but you're throwing a hissy fit over the pubs being closed for one day ?

How would you like to live in Sudai Arabia and not be able to drink at all ? That's why I called you infantile.

bluewolf wrote: »

People insisting a pub be closed down for their own personal beliefs is just sad. Oh look, 2 can play at that game.
Do you go around ridiculing everyone else's wish for personal freedoms? It's not about the drink, it's about the principle. I don't even drink alcohol.

People aren't asking it to be closed down it is closed down.

And it isn't because of peoples personal belifes it is because of the belifes of the state.

And again you cry about principles as if we were an opressed people under and authoritarian thumb.

bluewolf wrote: »

Any other thread, I'd be more inclined to ban alcohol altogether.

Agreed.

bluewolf wrote: »

People CAN drink on good friday. They stock up and buy it on the day before. People want the atmosphere and social aspect and most importantly the FREEDOM to go to the pub on a friday if they want.

And I'm sure the publicans calling for the revocation of this law are doing it for freemdom and principles. Yes ?

15-03-2010 10:34PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

More like, "we know they are drinking in private but just so long as they aren't making fools of themselves in public".

So "we know it happens but let's pretend it isn't".

You have personal freedom, but you're throwing a hissy fit over the pubs being closed for one day ?

How would you like to live in Sudai Arabia and not be able to drink at all ? That's why I called you infantile.

I wouldn't mind it personally, but what has that to do with anything? We should accept any slight on freedoms because "other people have it worse"?
Should we start taking away your own freedoms and quashing any protest with "other people have it worse"?

People aren't asking it to be closed down it is closed down.

And the argument is whether it should be kept that way or not, one of which insists they should be closed on the friday.

And it isn't because of peoples personal belifes it is because of the belifes of the state.

Which should reflect the beliefs of the people IN the state. Which DID reflect the personal beliefs of the state which is why the law came in in the first place.
And if the majority want it otherwise, it should be changed.

And again you cry about principles as if we were an opressed people under and authoritarian thumb.

It is about principles. It doesn't matter how slight other people think it, the fact there's an annual raging debate on this means that yes, this is an issue for a lot of people.

And I'm sure the publicans calling for the revocation of this law are doing it for freemdom and principles. Yes ?

I'm here arguing principles. I'm not here to defend the reasoning of everyone else who happens to want the same thing.
You don't want it because you're a christian - you aren't. So I'm not going to ask YOU to defend christian beliefs.

Son Of A Vidic · 15-03-2010 10:35PM

Why not? Who do the Catholic church think they are trying to tell any of us what to do?

Iwasfrozen · 15-03-2010 10:40PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Why not? Who do the Catholic church think they are trying to tell any of us what to do?

Not the catholic church, Bunreacht na hEireann.

Drink on Good Friday

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