Drink on Good Friday

rubadub · 15-03-2010 12:23AM

doughef wrote: »

good friday, like it or not, is a huge day with huge meaning for a lot of people. Religious beliefs aside (practicing Catholic myself) its a day for a small bit of stepping back and remembering the important things in life.
Its always been that shops etc were closed. If we were to open up everything it would be a real slap in the face to the older generation who revere the day so much,

I didn't think its such a big deal for people, thought easter sunday would be more of a big deal. Its apparently not even important enough to be a public holiday, while easter monday even is, and st. stephens. Its just another holy day and there if you look at a religious calendar more that half of all days are some sort of holy day.

philologos · 15-03-2010 12:26AM

rubadub wrote: »

Its just another holy day and there if you look at a religious calendar more that half of all days are some sort of holy day.

In terms of Christianity, Good Friday is the most major day of reverence throughout the year. It is the moment when Jesus paid for the sins of all mankind in full, it is the epitome of grace, and forgiveness. For Christians this isn't "just another holy day", it is the holy day.

brianthebard · 15-03-2010 12:28AM

doughef wrote: »

Its always been that shops etc were closed. If we were to open up everything it would be a real slap in the face to the older generation who revere the day so much,

Those same auld wans didn't seem to have a problem doing their groceries in Dunnes today while I was there, and on the day of rest and all.
Traditions like these which are quite superficial (the shop closing and stuff, not the religious aspects) can and have been easily let go in the past, there's no reason why good friday couldn't also change without too many grannies swooning.

rainbow kirby · 15-03-2010 12:28AM

Stekelly wrote: »

Practicing Catholics (and anyone else for that matter) can continue to not go to the pub and observe good Friday as they always did. The rest of us can spend our day the way we choose.

^ This. Religious law should not be the law of the state.

johnp · 15-03-2010 12:29AM

I don't drink on Tuesdays. Why would you take a Friday away from me too? :mad:

rubadub · 15-03-2010 12:30AM

Jakkass wrote: »

, it is the holy day.

Very strange that its not a public holiday then, don't you think?

If it is the day why are 4 other "holy days" made public holidays before it

philologos · 15-03-2010 12:34AM

rubadub wrote: »

Very strange that its not a public holiday then, don't you think?

Perhaps.

rubadub wrote: »

If it is the day why are 4 other "holy days" made public holidays before it

I don't examine the theological beliefs of those in the State, nor do I regard them as an authority on what beliefs Christians hold. I do know however that the death and resurrection is central to Christianity, without them Christianity is pointless, and nullified.

doughef wrote: »

Its always been that shops etc were closed. If we were to open up everything it would be a real slap in the face to the older generation who revere the day so much

This is surely a sad enough reflection on Catholicism / Christianity in general if you are saying that "Ah, we should shut the shops just to respect the old wans".

Isn't the Crucifixion relevant irrespective of whether you are young and old?

Stercus Accidit · 15-03-2010 12:38AM

I want to live in a country that respects its own constitutions call for no religion to be given a special place in law, yet we have theocratic law.

This is a matter of religious discrimination, it does not matter what is banned it matters why it is.

rainbow kirby · 15-03-2010 12:38AM

Jakkass wrote: »

Isn't the Crucifixion relevant irrespective of whether you are young and old?

No.

Guy:Incognito · 15-03-2010 12:39AM

bigbadbear wrote: »

Oh yes RTÉ I forgot is a church run organisation That is pathetic.

RTE dont have rights to the Magners league, good Friday or not.

bigbadbear · 15-03-2010 12:42AM

Does anyone remember whether or not they actually allowed us to drink early in the morning for the early world cup games in 2002?

lugha · 15-03-2010 12:44AM

Jakkass wrote: »

Isn't the Crucifixion relevant irrespective of whether you are young and old?

So some people undoubtedly, not so to many more.
But it isn't either / or. People for whom Good Friday is a special day can still regard it as a special day, without imposing their views on others.

Turtyturd · 15-03-2010 12:45AM

Jakkass wrote: »

In terms of Christianity, Good Friday is the most major day of reverence throughout the year. It is the moment when Jesus paid for the sins of all mankind in full, it is the epitome of grace, and forgiveness. For Christians this isn't "just another holy day", it is the holy day.

For the church of common sense it is just another day, let the pubs open.

philologos · 15-03-2010 12:46AM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

No.

Interesting, the actuality differs somewhat. Despite the bias towards atheism on boards (I still to this day get dumbfounded at the inconsistency between what is written on boards, and what actually occurs in society), there are still a sizeable amount of the population under 30 who believe in Christ, irrespective of how much people wish to deny it.

I find it curious that doughef seems to think that the best argument for not allowing alcohol to be sold on Good Friday is to respect the "auld wans".

Although the argument could also be made, that the prohibition just makes people go nuts trying to find drink on the Thursday before hand.

Turtyturd wrote:

For the church of common sense it is just another day, let the pubs open.

What's so common sense about your position in comparison to mine?

Every nation on the face of the earth has events and days of importance. Ours is no different.

Guy:Incognito · 15-03-2010 12:51AM

Jakkass wrote: »

Interesting, the actuality differs somewhat. Despite the bias towards atheism on boards (I still to this day get dumbfounded at the inconsistency between what is written on boards, and what actually occurs in society), there are still a sizeable amount of the population under 30 who believe in Christ, irrespective of how much people wish to deny it.

and that's fine. a before, they can continue to not go to the pub. But to deny the pub owers the option of opening if they are not religious themselves and to deny all the rest of us who dont subscribe to religion the option to go to the pub if we choose, despite the fact that teh vast majority wont go o the pub anyway, is wrong.

lugha · 15-03-2010 12:51AM

Jakkass wrote: »

I find it curious that doughef seems to think that the best argument for not allowing alcohol to be sold on Good Friday is to respect the "auld wans".

When there are no good arguments for something, the best argument can be pretty mediocre

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Mike 1972 · 15-03-2010 12:53AM

Jakkass wrote: »

there are still a sizeable amount of the population under 30 who believe in Christ, irrespective of how much people wish to deny it.

I find it curious that doughef seems to think that the best argument for not allowing alcohol to be sold on Good Friday is to respect the "auld wans".

So it is "curious" not allowing alcohol to be sold on Good Friday in order to "respect the auld wans"

But not if the reason is in order to "respect those who believe in Christ" ?

philologos · 15-03-2010 12:54AM

Stekelly wrote: »

and that's fine. a before, they can continue to not go to the pub. But to deny the pub owers the option of opening if they are not religious themselves and to deny all the rest of us who dont subscribe to religion the option to go to the pub if we choose, despite the fact that teh vast majority wont go o the pub anyway, is wrong.

It could be argued that those who wish to acquire alcohol can get it on the Thursday beforehand, in order 1) to give bar staff who wish to observe Good Friday the opportunity to do so, 2) to limit rowdiness, drunk and disorderly behaviour in public places during this observance. Drinking domestically doesn't allow for the 2nd to happen.

To be honest with you, this issue isn't the be all and end all for me. I can see partially why people would be concerned in the secular point of view, but then again, as I see it every culture has days of observance like this, Ireland isn't any different. As long as people of faith still exist in society they will let their concerns be known, and they will impact the culture and the society around them.

Guy:Incognito · 15-03-2010 12:55AM

Jakkass wrote: »

It could be argued that those who wish to acquire alcohol can get it on the Thursday beforehand, in order 1) to give bar staff who wish to observe Good Friday the opportunity to do so, 2) to limit rowdiness, drunk and disorderly behaviour in public places during this observance. Drinking domestically doesn't allow for the 2nd to happen.

The bar staff dont own the pub, if they want tthe night off they can ask for it. If the ower wants to open, that should behis choice.

As for 2, can we limit masses to only being allowed on Sunday to cut down on people parking cars all over the place around churches?

Or would that be wrong to dictate when the church can conduct it's business?

Mike 1972 · 15-03-2010 12:58AM

Jakkass wrote: »

to give bar staff who wish to observe Good Friday the opportunity to do so.

Other prople are expected to turn up for work why should bar staff be treated differently ?

philologos · 15-03-2010 12:58AM

Stekelly wrote: »

The bar staff dont own the pub, if they want tthe night off they can ask for it.

This is subject to permission. The bar is under no liability to give people of Christian belief the day off if they require them to be in, and such a decision can't be deemed to be discriminatory either.

Guy:Incognito · 15-03-2010 01:00AM

Jakkass wrote: »

This is subject to permission. The bar is under no liability to give people of Christian belief the day off if they require them to be in, and such a decision can't be deemed to be discriminatory either.

If these people were so set in their cristian ways they wouldnt be workign on other holy days and Sundays. I dont think their job hinges on good friday if they are already refusign to work every other holy day and sundays.

I assume all the fervant Christians on here refuse to work on Good Friday in all other jobs , yes? Or is this just a "we wont have the pubs open on GF end of" debate?

philologos · 15-03-2010 01:05AM

Stekelly wrote: »

If these people were so set in their cristian ways they wouldnt be workign on other holy days and Sundays.

I've already explained the special significance of Good Friday in Christian belief as the primary holy day of the year. There is a difference between this and other holy days or Sundays.

There is no de-facto rule prohibiting anyone in Christianity from working holy days or Sundays, but many people of Christian belief will want to pray and reflect on the Crucifixion on Good Friday.

Stekelly wrote: »

I dont think their job hinges on good friday if they are already refusign to work every other holy day and sundays.

I'm one of the people in this situation who would prefer rather than not to have Good Friday to pray and reflect about the role that Jesus Christ has in my life.

It appears that you don't actually understand the importance this has to my life and the lives of other Christians. If the law has to change, I will understand that it will have to change. However, at present I am supportive of keeping it as it is.

Paparazzo · 15-03-2010 01:07AM

Jakkass wrote: »

there are still a sizeable amount of the population under 30 who believe in Christ

I bet there'll be more people under 30 in the offie on Holy Thursday than in the church on Good Friday.

philologos · 15-03-2010 01:08AM

Paparazzo wrote: »

I bet there'll be more people under 30 in the offie on Holy Thursday than in the church on Good Friday.

1) I wasn't discussing church attendance. In many cases Christians will observe Good Friday at home.

2) I never said that a majority of under thirties did, but rather a sizeable proportion of them will.

Mike 1972 · 15-03-2010 01:12AM

Jakkass wrote: »

There is no de-facto rule prohibiting anyone in Christianity from working holy days or Sundays, .

When it comes to The sabbath It was always my understanding that there was (albeit with exceptions for essential workers and widely differing degrees to which it was taken seriously among the different variants of Christianity)

WalterMitty · 15-03-2010 01:16AM

Lets have a boards beers is heuston station on good friday. Just buy the cheapest train ticket(a few euro) and you can drink there!

oppenheimer1 · 15-03-2010 01:20AM

I quite like it that pubs and bookies aren't allowed to open. The best house parties are always on on Good Friday and it also means people try other things rather than going for a few drinks, the cinemas are always packed as are theatres and restaurants. I'm surprised some of the cinemas aren't planning on showing the rugby actually.

Its one of those laws i guess that could be viewed as archaic... but also quirky and uniquely Irish, like the 6.01 news. It makes us differrent

oppenheimer1 · 15-03-2010 01:21AM

WalterMitty wrote: »

Lets have a boards beers is heuston station on good friday. Just buy the cheapest train ticket(a few euro) and you can drink there!

Last year I saw a group of lads do that... They thought it was a great plan until it came to buying the cans on the train... €20 for 5!

Mrmoe · 15-03-2010 01:24AM

Pubs should be allowed to open on good friday. It has no significance to a large section of the population. People who do not want to drink can continue to do so and observe the day as they so wish. Other people drinking will have no effect on them doing this what so ever. I honestly couldn't care what a Christian does as long as it has no direct effect on what I do. Do Christians expect every other group/people to reflect on a day that has absolutely no significance to them? If Christians were not so antagonistic towards others then they probably wouldn't be reviled as much as they are.

Drink on Good Friday

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