James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison

aDeener · 03-03-2010 09:09PM

minidazzler wrote: »

The drink was an example. You don't know his conditions, so who knows how hard it is!

Maybe he has to stay away from around schools and had to drive past one on a day?

the thing is, we don't know so why call for the death of a possibly rehabilitated person when we have no idea what it is they have done?

hey hey whoah there, when did i ever call for such a thing??

all the above are hypothetical situations, in any case whatever it is would not have been an impossible task to keep that is for sure. he has kept it since 2001 so why now?

Plug · 03-03-2010 09:15PM

One of them little bastards were supposed to be living in Kilkenny a few years back. Someone found out and wasent happy. I heard this off a good few people. He was living in Hebron park for a few months. Not really sure but who knows.

Here he is and I remember the cnut aswel.
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/15year-sentence-for-wouldbe-killer.1493266.jp

More about him. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/05/13/story3326.asp
He even admitted it.

Snake Plisken · 03-03-2010 09:16PM

Well after what the did to James Bulger I do believe they should have remained in Jail, I do hope that some of the inmates that are in the jail Venables recognise him and put two and two together and give him what he deserves and I'm sure most parent's on here would agree they got off lightly for what they did. Just on C4 News if the media discover who he is the government will pay for an new identity for him and if thats discovered he will get another one.

aDeener · 03-03-2010 09:18PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well after what the did to James Bulger I do believe they should have remained in Jail, I do hope that some of the inmates that are in the jail Venables recognise him and put two and two together and give him what he deserves and I'm sure most parent's on here would agree they got off lightly for what they did. Just on C4 News if the media discover who he is the government will pay for an new identity for him and if thats discovered he will get another one.

id imagine the british taxpayer will be over the moon with that

Snake Plisken · 03-03-2010 09:18PM

Plug wrote: »

One of them little bastards were supposed to be living in Kilkenny a few years back. Someone found out and wasent happy. I heard this off a good few people. He was living in Hebron park for a few months. Not really sure but who knows.

Pity it wasn't confirmed I'm sure James Bulger's dad and some of his uncles would have came over for the weekend to have a chat with him, do you know which one it was supposed to be? I'm guessing Thompson

Plug · 03-03-2010 09:22PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Pity it wasn't confirmed I'm sure James Bulger's dad and some of his uncles would have came over for the weekend to have a chat with him, do you know which one it was supposed to be? I'm guessing Thompson

Thompson he said yes.

BaZmO* · 03-03-2010 09:32PM

Plug wrote: »

One of them little bastards were supposed to be living in Kilkenny a few years back. Someone found out and wasent happy. I heard this off a good few people. He was living in Hebron park for a few months. Not really sure but who knows.

Here he is and I remember the cnut aswel.
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/15year-sentence-for-wouldbe-killer.1493266.jp

More about him. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/05/13/story3326.asp
He even admitted it.

FFS. Why post that? Do you really think that if he was one of the killers it wouldn't have been released already that he was in jailed 3 years ago.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well after what the did to James Bulger I do believe they should have remained in Jail, I do hope that some of the inmates that are in the jail Venables recognise him and put two and two together and give him what he deserves and I'm sure most parent's on here would agree they got off lightly for what they did.

So you want convicted criminals working on unverified hunches to dish out justice on behalf of everybody else? :rolleyes:

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Just on C4 News if the media discover who he is the government will pay for an new identity for him and if thats discovered he will get another one.

I'm sure the press already know who they are, they'd just be too afraid to actually print their identities.

bonerm · 03-03-2010 09:34PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

I'm sure the press already know who he is, they'd just be too afraid the actually print their identities.

What exactly would happen to them? Is it just hefty 6-figure fine? If that was all then it could concievably be of value to go ahead and publish their details.

Plug · 03-03-2010 09:44PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

FFS. Why post that? Do you really think that if he was one of the killers it wouldn't have been released already that he was in jailed 3 years ago.

There protecting there identity, both of them:rolleyes: I thought that was clear. This nut job 'walsh' said he was Thompson who killed the poor kid. He moved to Ireland sortly after they were released from jail. I think he left from Liverpool.

Truley · 03-03-2010 09:48PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Pity, because his name was James Bulger.

THANK YOU!!! I had been resisting pointing that out from the start of the thread. But it does really highlight that this thread isn't about a little boy called James at all. It's the entire 'Jamie Bulger' media package and tbh its f*cking scary. Some of the punishments posters have suggested here are far worse than what took part in the crime itself. Does nobody else think that is really sick?? I can't even begin to address the bullshit that has been claimed here, how many people here even have the vaguest idea of what went on. They would know the stories of sexual abuse, batteries in his anus, hours of torture are tabloid shite and nothing more. And for the record, the child was not dragged kicking and screaming to his death, many witnesses reported him laughing and playing with the boys at certain stages.
I'm not even beginning to condone what those boys did to James, but how could I turn around and call them evil whilst happily wishing the exact same savagery on them. This thread - it's very unsettling, that's all I'll say.

BaZmO* · 03-03-2010 10:00PM

bonerm wrote: »

What exactly would happen to them? Is it just hefty 6-figure fine? If that was all then it could concievably be of value to go ahead and publish their details.

Don't know but I'd imagine courts take it very seriously when people break court injunctions.

But the press do know...

April 2007 It is revealed that the Government has spent £13,000 preventing overseas magazines from revealing the killers’ new identities

Also found this interesting....

Unconfirmed reports suggest that Venables has been involved in several violent incidents, including in December 2007 when he was allegedly stabbed after he accused another man of chatting up his girlfriend.

And this...

After his release Venables is reported to have been allowed to join the Army. Unconfirmed reports suggested that he was now a born-again Christian, had settled down and had plans to marry. Thompson is said to be living with a gay partner, after attending art school.

merengueca · 03-03-2010 10:14PM

The Police would certainly have been watching these two individuals closely since their release, as such I find it very difficult to believe that they would have been imprisoned for any minor infringement of their t&c's. Nobody wants this case brought back into media attention - so much hurt, grief, disgust and venom surrounds these events, so I can only assume major infringement (ie trying to return to Liverpool, serious crime) or more likely his new identity was at risk of being exposed - therefore a risk to public safety.

The rumours of Venables moving to Ireland has always been a distinct possibilty - a key factor for their new ID on release would have been to remove any distuingishing feature, so an 18 year old boy, new to an area and with a scouse accent would have certainly raised questions. I assume these two were subject to voice training and the closest connection, linguisticaly, to a scouse accent would be a broad Dublin accent so Ireland would certainly have seemed a logical choice.
Rumours also circulated at the time that he actually ended up sampling the hospitality of the Irish Prison Service (under his assumed id and therefore subject to same media ban) where response times on the frequent occassions he was attacked were somewhat prolonged. It seems even under assumed ID, that hadn't been rumbled by the prison population, he still had the abilty to make want to kick the b'jaysus out of him!

Dudess · 03-03-2010 10:26PM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

why do people always suggest it was the parents' fault in crimes like this? bit unfair.

I agree.

xzanti wrote: »

So imagine what he's capable of as an adult.

It seems logical that a monster would grow up to be a bigger monster, but on the other hand, a person could become a completely different person as they grow older.

BaZmO* wrote: »

Watched a documentary a few years back and it concluded that we are living in safer times relative to days gone by, and it is actually backed up statistically. It's just that all the horror stories are covered much more in our ever expanding amount of media outlets giving the impression that the world is a much more dangerous place than it actually is.

Makes sense - but you'll still get the "the world is worse than ever" bleating here...

bonerm wrote: »

He's not being smart. His mother mentioned that he was always only ever called "James" and it was just the media who started throwing the name "Jamie" around.

Same with Maddie.

donfers wrote: »

I've heard this argument many times. But I don't buy it anymore.

Blame society.

Blame their dirty flat.

Blame their lack of education.

Blame their abusive parents.

But heaven forbid that we should blame them.

You know what, many kids have had a raw deal from society, many kids live in ****eholes and leave school early and have the most disgusting abusive parents BUT THEY DON'T stick batteries in the mouth and anus of a toddler, batter him and torture him for hours with bricks and stones and sticks and iron bars and then weigh his head down with rubble on a railway line so the train cuts his body in two. No only the most evil of evil c**ts do this, there is no defense for this.

Yes, they may have had it tough growing up, yes their parents may be the most disgusting vile abusive people but I am sorry there is no excuse for what they did.

There's a difference between an excuse and an explanation.

wobblyknees · 03-03-2010 10:43PM

Truley wrote: »

THANK YOU!!! I had been resisting pointing that out from the start of the thread. But it does really highlight that this thread isn't about a little boy called James at all. It's the entire 'Jamie Bulger' media package and tbh its f*cking scary. Some of the punishments posters have suggested here are far worse than what took part in the crime itself. Does nobody else think that is really sick?? I can't even begin to address the bullshit that has been claimed here, how many people here even have the vaguest idea of what went on. They would know the stories of sexual abuse, batteries in his anus, hours of torture are tabloid shite and nothing more. And for the record, the child was not dragged kicking and screaming to his death, many witnesses reported him laughing and playing with the boys at certain stages.
I'm not even beginning to condone what those boys did to James, but how could I turn around and call them evil whilst happily wishing the exact same savagery on them. This thread - it's very unsettling, that's all I'll say.

That's an awfully high horse you are sitting on there.

Oh and in my opinion, there are WAY too many generalisations in your post.

From my point of view, with young children of my own, having read a huge amount about the case itself and learning about the actual facts, having lived in England at the time of the tragedy and generally trying to be objective about the whole issue along the way, I can honestly say, if it was me, I'd hunt them down and kill the bastards.

That's all I'll say.

lugha · 03-03-2010 10:50PM

wobblyknees wrote: »

I can honestly say, if it was me, I'd hunt them down and kill the bastards.

But then that would make you a child killer! So someone would have to hunt you down and kill you. Then someone else ... :P

aDeener · 03-03-2010 10:50PM

Truley wrote: »

THANK YOU!!! I had been resisting pointing that out from the start of the thread. But it does really highlight that this thread isn't about a little boy called James at all. It's the entire 'Jamie Bulger' media package and tbh its f*cking scary. Some of the punishments posters have suggested here are far worse than what took part in the crime itself. Does nobody else think that is really sick?? I can't even begin to address the bullshit that has been claimed here, how many people here even have the vaguest idea of what went on. They would know the stories of sexual abuse, batteries in his anus, hours of torture are tabloid shite and nothing more. And for the record, the child was not dragged kicking and screaming to his death, many witnesses reported him laughing and playing with the boys at certain stages.
I'm not even beginning to condone what those boys did to James, but how could I turn around and call them evil whilst happily wishing the exact same savagery on them. This thread - it's very unsettling, that's all I'll say.

how do you know that?

and no the things said here are not worse than what happened in 1993, ffs they are only words being spouted by people behind a screen angry at such a horrific case. what an insult by you to the bulger family for even suggesting such things to be worse

Dudess · 03-03-2010 10:53PM

To be fair, I don't think a person objecting to graphic punishments dreamed up and posted on the net, is necessarily on a high horse... just a bit shocking that people can think such shit up, that's all.

Truley · 03-03-2010 11:09PM

aDeener wrote: »

how do you know that?

and no the things said here are not worse than what happened in 1993, ffs they are only words being spouted by people behind a screen angry at such a horrific case. what an insult by you to the bulger family for even suggesting such things to be worse

On no official level was it claimed that James was raped or sodomised with a battery.

People here are advocating torture, rape - scalding with boiling water!! Do I owe it to the Bulger family, or the little child that died to carry on the violence and hysteria? I think it's an insult to the child's memory to surround his death with lies and turn it into outlet for people's hate and inhumanity.

irishh_bob · 03-03-2010 11:12PM

minidazzler wrote: »

What he did was horrible, but he was a fcuking child when he did it.

Noone here knows if he is a scumbag now. He might have done feck all to get recalled. Irish prisoners who get Temproary release are supposed to stay sober, maybe it's the same for him and he happened to have a few drinks?

Unless it's released why he was recalled to prison, then people really shouldn't call for his death, or take delight in it.

I am FAR from a liberal person with regard to criminals, but he was a child when he did it. He probably is reformed.

normal children dont commit murder , have you never seen the movie halloween

wixfjord · 03-03-2010 11:17PM

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

Welcome to After Hours :pac:

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

We've to wait until someone murder's a child before we make a fuss?.

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

Probably.

Have to say, Ill listen to anyone argue point, but the lack of sense, and the idea of 'burn the witch' from you is just crazy. Theres a reason that theres a law system, if guys like you had their way, wed live in a much worse world. Neither you or I can say whether these guys either can, or have changed in the intervening years, but there are people much better placed to do so.

Co45 · 04-03-2010 12:49AM

Plug wrote: »

One of them little bastards were supposed to be living in Kilkenny a few years back. Someone found out and wasent happy. I heard this off a good few people. He was living in Hebron park for a few months. Not really sure but who knows.

Here he is and I remember the cnut aswel.
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/15year-sentence-for-wouldbe-killer.1493266.jp

More about him. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/05/13/story3326.asp
He even admitted it.

Interesting.....

Sharpshooter · 04-03-2010 01:17AM

Truley wrote: »

I can't even begin to address the bullshit that has been claimed here, how many people here even have the vaguest idea of what went on. They would know the stories of sexual abuse, batteries in his anus, hours of torture are tabloid shite and nothing more. And for the record, the child was not dragged kicking and screaming to his death, many witnesses reported him laughing and playing with the boys at certain stages.
I'm not even beginning to condone what those boys did to James, but how could I turn around and call them evil whilst happily wishing the exact same savagery on them. This thread - it's very unsettling, that's all I'll say.

For gods sake he was two years of age, did you read the link posted by walshb, because I did and apart from the horror and pain that little boy had to endure before he died there probably were times he laughed, it's just as easy to make a toddler laugh as it is to make them cry.

I suggest you read the link, it is a long read and at times I had to stop reading and put it away for a while.

It should answer the part of your post I bolded.

Take a look, I have quoted it below.

walshb wrote: »

I read extensive coverage about this and both boys had issues, family issues and all that.
Pretty rough really. Thompson's upbringing was worse from what I read.

Very good read

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/bulger/1.html

clikityclak · 04-03-2010 01:21AM

Co45 wrote: »

Interesting.....

I've read this rumour before... doubt there will ever be any clarification on it though, if it was him, he probably has a new identity now again...

nacho libre · 04-03-2010 01:21AM

Dudess wrote: »

To be fair, I don't think a person objecting to graphic punishments dreamed up and posted on the net, is necessarily on a high horse... just a bit shocking that people can think such shit up, that's all.

have you not seen Martyrs? people are perfectly capable of dreaming up such graphic torture without real life provocation.
i doubt you would accuse the writer of martyrs as being a disturbed individual for writing such a script.

i doubt that the majority of people who expressed vengeful thoughts in this thread would actually be capable of following through on them. i think deep down they would not feel good about such actions being taken. of course given the amount of people who view this board there maybe a couple that are capable of acting out such thoughts without regret but for most it's keyboard warrior reactionary stuff. i don't see it as a indication of a disturbed mind to have such thought about these killers - it's perfectly understandable in fact. frankly i would be shocked if people were desenitized to these two men.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 04-03-2010 01:27AM

wixfjord wrote: »

Have to say, Ill listen to anyone argue point, but the lack of sense, and the idea of 'burn the witch' from you is just crazy. Theres a reason that theres a law system, if guys like you had their way, wed live in a much worse world.

/Puts smug hat on.

You don't know too many guys like me, people live in a more peaceful world because of guys like me, because as the recruitment mantra goes - I chose a life less ordinary.

Up your's pal.

Mean't to put this one up last night..

:pac:

wobblyknees · 04-03-2010 01:29AM

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

/Puts smug hat on.

You don't know too many guys like me, people live in a more peaceful world because of guys like me, because as the recruitment mantra goes - I chose a life less ordinary.

Up your's pal.

Are you in the army?

Little Acorn · 04-03-2010 01:33AM

BaZmO* wrote: »

I actually read that complete article (or something very similar) a few years back, around the time they were being released for prison. I'm no bleedin heart but the two kids had a less than ideal upbringing. No excuse for what they did, but it goes some way to explain how kids can act in such an evil and horrific manner.

The article I read was very long and very concise, and more importantly it just presented the known facts rather than the usual hysterical articles you read about such emotive cases.

I'd love to know how many times the editors of the main tabloids have come close to revealing their new identities. I'm sure their lawyers have weighed up the costs of papers sold against the ensuing lawsuit many many times. It's not as if they wouldn't be backed by the public if they went ahead and named them.

It's impossible to tell what terms of his parole he breached, and it can be something very minor. I would imagine that he was to tell anybody his true identity it would put him at such risk that it may be in violation of his parole and may result in him being brought back into custody for his own protection. I wonder if this had anything to do with it.

I think it might be something to do with this aswell. I hadn't heard the story about him getting married before now, but I do think that somehow his identity has been compromised. This might explain why they won't tell james' mother, or the public why he's been sent back to prison as they know alot of people would be angry that he is again been protected.

http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkr._Y5LoHUA8hJQBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBjcXBoZjEwBHBvcwMzBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=13ds8ufqc/EXP=1267748734/**http%3a//uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100303/tuk-bulger-mother-killer-back-where-he-b-45dbed5.html

Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of Napo, the probation union, said the recall was made public after officials became aware it had been leaked to a newspaper or other media outlet.

"The fact that the statement has been put out... does not mean he has been recalled within the last 24 hours," he said.

"It's more likely that information about his whereabouts has leaked and the Ministry of Justice has taken a pro-active step to limit the damage.

"He will now be in an adult prison somewhere in England and Wales."

Venables will appear before a hearing of the Parole Board within 28 days of being recalled where the details of the breach will be examined, he added.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 04-03-2010 01:34AM

wobblyknees wrote: »

Are you in the army?

He's up somewhere

robinph · 04-03-2010 01:43AM

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

/Puts smug hat on.

You don't know too many guys like me, people live in a more peaceful world because of guys like me, because as the recruitment mantra goes - I chose a life less ordinary.

Up your's pal.

However, you have rules to follow in doing the things you do that other people don't have the stomach for. I suspect those do not allow for you being judge, jury and executioner when you come across some bad guys, even if they have quite clearly broken some other rules themselves.

brendansmith · 04-03-2010 01:49AM

wobblyknees wrote: »

Are you in the army?

Nah, hes a baker. His scones are sh1t-hot!

James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison

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