Aston Villa -V- Man United - 28th Feb

CSF · 28-02-2010 10:39PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

he didn't give it cause he totally bottled it in my opinion and the same ref has been harshly criticised by Mr Ferguson in the past for sending off United players.

Nailed on, dead right. The United fans trying to defend the decision is laughable

28-02-2010 10:58PM

CSF wrote: »

Nailed on, dead right. The United fans trying to defend the decision is laughable

Who's trying to defend the decision? Other than Mitch, and I'm fairly sure he's drunk. Or taking the piss. Or both

MagicMarker · 28-02-2010 11:03PM

I think Mitch is confused! Mitch, it was PIG in goal, NOT Diouf. They don't even look alike! Seriously.

Le King · 28-02-2010 11:07PM

Well deserved win today. Reading through some of the bitterness in this thread is laughable. People saying we didn't deserve it etc. :rolleyes:

Mitch Connor · 28-02-2010 11:09PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I think Mitch is confused! Mitch, it was PIG in goal, NOT Diouf. They don't even look alike! Seriously.

What, now who is drunk? At no point have I said it was Diouf in goal, i have said (each and ever time) that it is the man mountain only beatable from the penalty spot Tommy the legend Kuszczak.

CSF · 28-02-2010 11:26PM

28064212 wrote: »

Who's trying to defend the decision? Other than Mitch, and I'm fairly sure he's drunk. Or taking the piss. Or both

PHB did also, not directly and he'll say he was just trying to explain the referees flawed reasoning, but it didn't appear that way to me.

UnitedIrishman · 01-03-2010 12:03AM

The reason, IMO, he didn't give a straight red for the tackle is because it was so early in the game.

But like any other fan on here wouldn't take it if it went their way is such a joke.

**** it, we won it. We still would have won it.

Mr.Nice Guy · 01-03-2010 12:41AM

Great result today. Very happy, but Vidic should certainly have walked. It was a definite sending off. Even so, United played the better football, made the most opportunities and deserved to win. Rooney - what can you say? He's a marvel. Park was very good too I thought.

I found it very frustrating watching Valencia for the first 20 minutes of the second half constantly coming inside and trying to lay it off to Carrick. I was begging him to attack Warnock and get a cross in and lo and behold it was what set up Rooney's great header. Don't know why Valencia didn't do it sooner. Maybe he is still lacking the confidence to take the initiative himself but I hope he does it more often as he can be a real match winner.

Very pleased for Mickey Owen although sad for him getting injured. I do think that is certainly curtains on his slim chance of making the WC as he's just not got the fitness. It's a shame.

Feel bad for Martin and big Richard Dunne. I hope they can go on and win the FA Cup as they deserve a bit of glory.

CSF · 01-03-2010 01:07AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

The reason, IMO, he didn't give a straight red for the tackle is because it was so early in the game.

But like any other fan on here wouldn't take it if it went their way is such a joke.

**** it, we won it. We still would have won it.

Not a hope. Vidic out of that defence with no Ferdinand either and they'd have been hapless. Evans and Brown would have been destroyed at centre back. And there would have been no Michael Owen on the pitch to score the equaliser.

OPENROAD · 01-03-2010 01:10AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Great result today. Very happy, but Vidic should certainly have walked. It was a definite sending off. Even so, United played the better football, made the most opportunities and deserved to win. Rooney - what can you say? He's a marvel. Park was very good too I thought.

I found it very frustrating watching Valencia for the first 20 minutes of the second half constantly coming inside and trying to lay it off to Carrick. I was begging him to attack Warnock and get a cross in and lo and behold it was what set up Rooney's great header. Don't know why Valencia didn't do it sooner. Maybe he is still lacking the confidence to take the initiative himself but I hope he does it more often as he can be a real match winner.

Very pleased for Mickey Owen although sad for him getting injured. I do think that is certainly curtains on his slim chance of making the WC as he's just not got the fitness. It's a shame.

Feel bad for Martin and big Richard Dunne. I hope they can go on and win the FA Cup as they deserve a bit of glory.

Might have had a very different match had Vidic been rightly sent off, have to feel for Villa.

Holsten · 01-03-2010 01:11AM

Saw it there again, the minute the peno was given, Martin O'Neil "He must be off".

Hate that.

JPA · 01-03-2010 01:18AM

Holsten wrote: »

Saw it there again, the minute the peno was given, Martin O'Neil "He must be off".

Hate that.

Why?

Nalz · 01-03-2010 02:06AM

last man and pulling to the grown plus little trip = blatant penalty and 100% red card sending off offense.

Best team won however.

Nalz · 01-03-2010 02:08AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Might have had a very different match had Vidic been rightly sent off, have to feel for Villa.

Could argue Collins should have seen red for last man tackle too, but that was after the Vidic tackle so............

I felt for Villa today, they're tough to crack at the back and good counter attacking side. Need someone better in there than Petrov imo

JPA · 01-03-2010 02:20AM

Trilla wrote: »

Could argue Collins should have seen red for last man tackle too, but that was after the Vidic tackle so............

I felt for Villa today, they're tough to crack at the back and good counter attacking side. Need someone better in there than Petrov imo

Collins on Owen was hardly an obvious goal scoring opportunity but he did get a yellow, bizarrely Vidic didn't even get that for the incident.

kryogen · 01-03-2010 03:26AM

JPA wrote: »

Collins on Owen was hardly an obvious goal scoring opportunity but he did get a yellow, bizarrely Vidic didn't even get that for the incident.

well, Collins was last man back and Owen was clean through so technically he denied him a clear goalscoring opportunity

bizarre refereeing all day tbh

JPA · 01-03-2010 03:38AM

kryogen wrote: »

well, Collins was last man back and Owen was clean through so technically he denied him a clear goalscoring opportunity

bizarre refereeing all day tbh

No owen was outside the box wide of the goal, he wasn't clean through at all.

kryogen · 01-03-2010 03:46AM

JPA wrote: »

No owen was outside the box wide of the goal, he wasn't clean through at all.

he was not that wide to be fair, he was within the dimensions of the box about 7 yards outside the box to my memory

and no other defender would have been able to get back in time

he was through one on one whichever way you look at it

Vidic should have gone, but if you will apply the letter of the law so should Collins

Why else was Vidic sent off when he brought Torres down just inside the united half before?

Same thing

Mitch Connor · 01-03-2010 09:05AM

kryogen wrote: »

he was not that wide to be fair, he was within the dimensions of the box about 7 yards outside the box to my memory

and no other defender would have been able to get back in time

he was through one on one whichever way you look at it

Vidic should have gone, but if you will apply the letter of the law so should Collins

Why else was Vidic sent off when he brought Torres down just inside the united half before?

Same thing

Nah, no way was owen through on goal. By the time he got the ball he would have been around 12 yards from the end line and need a very quick change of directions, Villa players would have been back by then. No way should it have been a red. It isn't simply last man back = red card, the attacking player has to be heading towards the goal, and Owen wasn't.

kippy · 01-03-2010 09:58AM

People trying to compare the collins and vidic incident are totally off the mark in my opinion. Totally different areas of the pitch, Owens was by no means a goalscoring opportunity from where he was.
The ref bottled it with Vidic, absolutely stonewall red card. Even seeing some United fans defending it is hilarious but expected, there are always a section of fans from any club who will claim black is white out of pure "blinkeredness" but in this case as in many more it completey ridiculous to defend the ref.
It was early in the game, and thats perhaps the only reason (despite it being wrong) that he wasnt sent off in my opinion.

Mitch Connor · 01-03-2010 10:00AM

kippy wrote: »

People trying to compare the collins and vidic incident are totally off the mark in my opinion. Totally different areas of the pitch, Owens was by no means a goalscoring opportunity from where he was.
The ref bottled it with Vidic, absolutely stonewall red card. Even seeing some United fans defending it is hilarious but expected, there are always a section of fans from any club who will claim black is white out of pure "blinkeredness" but in this case as in many more it completey ridiculous to defend the ref.
It was early in the game, and thats perhaps the only reason (despite it being wrong) that he wasnt sent off in my opinion.

Seriously, what United fans have seriously defended the refs decision to not red card vidic? I haven't seen any, at all.

PHB · 01-03-2010 10:01AM

In relation to Valencia, Warnock was showing him inside massively, like massively. He was effectively hedging his bets and letting him go inside rather than risk him going onto his right. Valencia pretty mich had to come inside. For him to become a truly world class winger, he needs to add something when he comes inside. Whether that's a shot with his left foot or the killer pass, its needed. More and more defenders like Warnock will just consistantly show him inside as it's a fairly good way to neutralise him.

cournioni · 01-03-2010 10:07AM

JPA wrote: »

No owen was outside the box wide of the goal, he wasn't clean through at all.

:rolleyes:

Collins denied a goalscoring opportunity, however Vidic didn't as a penalty was given. To flip your logic around a little.

JimsAlterEgo · 01-03-2010 10:11AM

PHB wrote: »

I think the reason the ref didn't give the red was because he thought Agbonlahor had overrun his touch and it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity. How it wasnt a booking though is beyond me.

Totally agree, had he took him on the first run it would have been a red, but his turn back and next touch took him a lot wide. Need to look in detail but I think he would have needed another touch to actually be able to shoot. Shoudl have been a yellow though.

kippy · 01-03-2010 10:12AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Seriously, what United fans have seriously defended the refs decision to not red card vidic? I haven't seen any, at all.

I'm not sure, maybe your not a United fan.........but you did say this:
"are you honestly trying to say agbonlahor would have beaten Kuszczak with a shot? There mere fact Kuszczak was in goal mean it simply can not have been a goal scoring opportunity, hence no red card. I fail to see what the problem is. Villa were lucky to get a penalty out of it. "

Theres been a few more as well.

Headshot · 01-03-2010 10:34AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not sure, maybe your not a United fan.........but you did say this:
"are you honestly trying to say agbonlahor would have beaten Kuszczak with a shot? There mere fact Kuszczak was in goal mean it simply can not have been a goal scoring opportunity, hence no red card. I fail to see what the problem is. Villa were lucky to get a penalty out of it. "

Theres been a few more as well.

Lol

Peyton Manning · 01-03-2010 10:38AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not sure, maybe your not a United fan.........but you did say this:
"are you honestly trying to say agbonlahor would have beaten Kuszczak with a shot? There mere fact Kuszczak was in goal mean it simply can not have been a goal scoring opportunity, hence no red card. I fail to see what the problem is. Villa were lucky to get a penalty out of it. "

Theres been a few more as well.

Whoooooooooosh

JPA · 01-03-2010 12:52PM

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Collins denied a goalscoring opportunity, however Vidic didn't as a penalty was given. To flip your logic around a little.

:rolleyes: What? The key word is OBVIOUS goalscoring opportunity. You don't make sense.

SlickRic · 01-03-2010 12:54PM

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Collins denied a goalscoring opportunity, however Vidic didn't as a penalty was given. To flip your logic around a little.

ludicrous logic.

i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking or biased.

Nalz · 01-03-2010 01:14PM

IF Owen runningTowards(villaGoal)
AND Owen has(ball)
AND Collins = lastVillaman
AND Collins naughtyNaughtyBringsDown(Owen)
= SendingOff

It doesnt matter if Owen is on the halfway line, he was denied taking on the keeper and a chance of a clear shot on goal one one.

Vidic should have got the line. So should have Collins. End of

Aston Villa -V- Man United - 28th Feb

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