16 year old rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant

Wagon · 26-01-2010 03:07PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see how what I said is ignorant.

If I was asked to guess what religion the people were in this case, I'd guess Muslim..

Not because I believe all Muslims are bad, just because I'd expect it to be that religion in which it happens most often

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

I see where you're coming from. Not suprised myself. extremists in any religion have some very twisted outlooks, although i dont think many involve tearing the back off teenager for being a victim of a crime. Hard to believe this stuff still happens sometimes.

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 03:11PM

Forest Master wrote: »

Your point is logically flawed though: you're comparing something that is ALLOWED in one religion, with something that ISN'T ALLOWED in another. Do you not understand the flawed logic in your point? Do you need another example?

Under the rules of Catholicism, priests weren't allowed to molest children: but under Islam, it appears the girl is at fault if she gets raped, the guys gets off, and the girl gets punished. So the 2 aren't comparable. Your point about generalisations is moot, because you're not comparing like with like.

And not all countries/judges apply the same interpretation of Sharia Law.
This generalisation also doesn't hold.
And whether it's allowed or not doesn't apply to my feelings about generalisations. Do you see the flaw in your logic?

Nodin · 26-01-2010 03:11PM

Dr_Phil wrote: »

They won't ask for aid. We will embrace them in the name of political correctness to slowly turn country by country into Muslim States of Europe. And when you want to organise Christmas in your child's school, you will upset them and in the name of the same political correctness you will be ordered to take the cross off the wall and be fined for being "racist" and "xenophobic". It has already started in UK.

Once again, Dr Phil's lack of a licence to practice is highlighted.....

Hyperbullet · 26-01-2010 03:15PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

I'm talking about labelling all Catholics as paedophiles because the establishment were complicit in Paedophilia.
My issue here is with the generalisations about an entire culture/religion.
Not with comparing situations here and elsewhere.
I used the comparison to ask if the same generalisations can be made about us.

Who do you mean when you say "us"? Because i'm finding it hard to figure out from your posts what you're trying to achieve here.

stringbox · 26-01-2010 03:15PM

Serves.... her..... rrrrrrrr

No. I can't do it. But the truth is that people are dicks and they do terrible things like this because it is in their nature. Think of the dickhead teacher you had in school. When Ireland is taken over by fundamentalists like this, it's the same kind of person enforcing these laws.

In other news, there is a genocide currently occuring in Sri Lanka, did you know?

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 03:18PM

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Who do you mean when you say "us"? Because i'm finding it hard to figure out from your posts what you're trying to achieve here.

Case about rape in Bagladesh: someone says 'Muslims,huh? I'm not surprised'
Case about paedophilia in Ireland: someone says 'Catholics/Irish ,huh? I'm not surprised.'
Us.

Morlar · 26-01-2010 03:18PM

stringbox wrote: »

Sri Lanka,

Imo www. tamilnet.com might not be the most impartial source of information on that one.

Not seeing what your link has to do with the thread though ?

There are always conflicts in one part of the world or another at any given time.

AnonoBoy · 26-01-2010 03:20PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Case about rape in Bagladesh: someone says 'Muslims,huh? I'm not surprised'
Case about paedophilia in Ireland: someone says 'Catholics/Irish ,huh? I'm not surprised.'
Us.

These days I've just shortened it to "I'm not surprised."

It's a handy catch-all phrase.

Ri_Nollaig · 26-01-2010 03:20PM

I wonder where did they get the "101" from? Do they have some kinda complex formula to decide it?

Hyperbullet · 26-01-2010 03:21PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Case about rape in Bagladesh: someone says 'Muslims,huh? I'm not surprised'
Case about paedophilia in Ireland: someone says 'Catholics/Irish ,huh? I'm not surprised.'
Us.

Thats fast becoming a generalisation and the catholic church have themselves to blame. So whats your point?

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 03:24PM

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Thats fast becoming a generalisation and the catholic church have themselves to blame. So whats your point?

That I believe it's unfair and inaccurate for anyone to make generalisations.

aDeener · 26-01-2010 03:26PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Just as we agree with all our laws in the West ,I suppose.

where are the lobbys for reform there?

derfderf · 26-01-2010 03:32PM

Muslims? Really? I was thinkin Jedis when i first looked.

stringbox · 26-01-2010 03:32PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

That I believe it's unfair and inaccurate for anyone to make generalisations.

Heh

Menengroth™ · 26-01-2010 03:41PM

so ****ed up.

Nodin · 26-01-2010 03:42PM

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

I wonder where did they get the "101" from? Do they have some kinda complex formula to decide it?

A list, presumably.

Getting preggers = 1
Getting preggers and being female = 101

Placebo · 26-01-2010 03:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see how what I said is ignorant.

If I was asked to guess what religion the people were in this case, I'd guess Muslim..

Not because I believe all Muslims are bad, just because I'd expect it to be that religion in which it happens most often

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

It is, sure bbc have a recurring article on hindu villages, who make women eat feces and burned them to stake because they believe in witches. Its rural , obscure, illiterate, sheltered areas who carry out and believe in such tasks/rituals. So yes, you are quite ignorant. Maybe stop watching southpark, fox news and reading After hours all the time and expand your knowledge so you don't have an undermined, narrow view of the world.

My name is URL · 26-01-2010 04:07PM

Placebo wrote: »

It is, sure bbc have a recurring article on hindu villages, who make women eat feces and burned them to stake because they believe in witches. Its rural , obscure, illiterate, sheltered areas who carry out and believe in such tasks/rituals. So yes, you are quite ignorant. Maybe stop watching southpark, fox news and reading After hours all the time and expand your knowledge so you don't have an undermined, narrow view of the world.

Thanks for the tips on how to improve my view of the world.. but I'm quite happy with the views I already have

stoning a girl for been raped = bad

it's a fairly straightforward view but it works for most part.

As for my ignorance, well that's your own opinion. I don't think it's ignorant of me to expect stuff like this to happen under Sharia Law.. because, strangely enough, it does happen

Milky Moo · 26-01-2010 04:08PM

i just can't understand how a whole unit of people would collectively see this as an approptiate response. Say what you about punishing him or not but punishing her, thats some royally fudged up logic.

WindSock · 26-01-2010 04:10PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

I'm talking about labelling all Catholics as paedophiles because the establishment were complicit in Paedophilia.
My issue here is with the generalisations about an entire culture/religion.
Not with comparing situations here and elsewhere.
I used the comparison to ask if the same generalisations can be made about us.

They can be, and they probably are.

To be honest, I don't blame people for thinking that Irish Catholic clergy are paedos and the Irish state is not much better.
They have every reason to believe this is true.

Of course not every priest is a paedo. And certainly in recent times the state are trying to make ammends for the atrocities. There have been people all over Ireland and the world condeming the behaviour for the recent past.
What are the Bangladeshi people and authorities doing about their present atrocities?

Ri_Nollaig · 26-01-2010 04:14PM

Nodin wrote: »

A list, presumably.

Getting preggers = 1
Getting preggers and being female = 101

So if a man get pregnant he only gets one? well atleast they cover all the angles

Gavin "shels" · 26-01-2010 04:19PM

And whoever said having Sharia Law in Ireland would be bad idea.

Just to point out someone who was referring to the IRA, there was out roar from a huge portion of the Irish population, is there a huge out cry from the Muslim population with regards to this? Exactly!

helimachoptor · 26-01-2010 04:25PM

WindSock wrote: »

More like: Woman recieves 101 questions on her sex life after claiming she was raped then it was decided she was too sexually promiscuous to be raped and it was probably her fault anyway.

You dont know that she was raped, she may have got her jiggy on then woken up sober and regretted it and cried rape. Its not like it hasnt happened before*

I'm not saying that this is what happened just that its a possibility as is that she may have been raped against her will. No point saying that she what you did when you dont know the facts. (and yes i know the guy was convicted but in response to that the justice system is a joke)

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 04:28PM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Just to point out someone who was referring to the IRA, there was out roar from a huge portion of the Irish population, is there a huge out cry from the Muslim population with regards to this? Exactly!

Here's what one Bangladeshi paper has to say about the incident.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=123298
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=123248

WindSock · 26-01-2010 04:30PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

You dont know that she was raped, she may have got her jiggy on then woken up sober and regretted it and cried rape. Its not like it hasnt happened before*

I'm not saying that this is what happened just that its a possibility as is that she may have been raped against her will. No point saying that she what you did when you dont know the facts. (and yes i know the guy was convicted but in response to that the justice system is a joke)

Are you talking about the Listowel case? Either way, how many men a woman has slept with is irrelevant to being raped.

Placebo · 26-01-2010 04:32PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Thanks for the tips on how to improve my view of the world.. but I'm quite happy with the views I already have

stoning a girl for been raped = bad

it's a fairly straightforward view but it works for most part.

As for my ignorance, well that's your own opinion. I don't think it's ignorant of me to expect stuff like this to happen under Sharia Law.. because, strangely enough, it does happen

are you ****in dizzy, blood?
'I don't think it's ignorant of me to expect stuff like this to happen under Sharia Law' , Who said you can have expectations? You're plain ignorant, i just told you that this only takes place in small villages away from real civilization, yet you still generalize? I'm a proud Muslim, have not heard and/or do not condone of such activities. I've read the Quran over 3 times, no mention of stoning, or corporal punishment. But sure who must know more than me :rolleyes:

helimachoptor · 26-01-2010 04:35PM

WindSock wrote: »

Are you talking about the Listowel case? Either way, how many men a woman has slept with is irrelevant to being raped.

Yes, I'm not saying its relevant, she could have slept with 0 or 100 people before hand. What I'm saying is it is entirely possible she woke up the next day and cried rape (i'm not fully aware of the facts of the case and just using this as an example of recent times) it is also fully possible said act took place against her will.

Anyway wasnt the guy found guilty, so how could it be her fault?

I know this is an emotive subject, but i'm sure a lot of people have been sent to prison wrongly after a woman has cried rape, but also a lot of guys have got off when they were guilty.

Ninja Edit: just read your first post and I see you said "after she claimed to be raped" my mistake I thought you said "after she was raped".

my bad.

My name is URL · 26-01-2010 04:38PM

Placebo wrote: »

are you ****in dizzy, blood?
'I don't think it's ignorant of me to expect stuff like this to happen under Sharia Law' , Who said you can have expectations? You're plain ignorant, i just told you that this only takes place in small villages away from real civilization, yet you still generalize? I'm a proud Muslim, have not heard and/or do not condone of such activities. I've read the Quran over 3 times, no mention of stoning, or corporal punishment. But sure who must know more than me :rolleyes:

What does it matter where it happens? It happens for the same reasons wherever it takes place

I didn't generalise once, blood.

I pointed out that I wasn't surprised that the people involved were Muslim. If that makes me a xenophobe then fair enough

Gone Drinking · 26-01-2010 04:48PM

Placebo wrote: »

are you ****in dizzy, blood?

Listen yo, yo yo, listen up yall.. he's entitled to his YOpinion YO. So why dizzle you rizzle your cizzle befizzle someone gets POPPED YO.

Word

Placebo · 26-01-2010 04:48PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think it's ignorant of me to expect stuff like this to happen under Sharia Law

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't give a **** what it says in the Quran, it has no bearing on what this thread is about.

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/weakest-link.jpg

16 year old rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant

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