16 year old rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant

Ciaran187 · 26-01-2010 02:07PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Some may feel that comparing the entire Muslim population to those involved in this case is misleading,sensationalist and unnecessary.

Much in the same way as (previously mentioned) we wouldn't like to be branded paedophiles due to the acts of some priests etc. As you see from the story, it's the elders that let the rapist pr1ck go and ordered the girl be lashed (please no jokes - too soon!).

m@cc@ · 26-01-2010 02:07PM

Magnus wrote: »

It's a man's world, well in the Muslim countries anyway.

Try being in Ireland 50 years ago. If we still listened to Christians, it would be a man's world here too.....

WindSock · 26-01-2010 02:08PM

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

The irish version of the story would read something like this:

Man sentenced to 101 lashes after a woman accuses him of sexual harassment/rape. Turns out the guy simply said hello to her on the bus.

More like: Woman recieves 101 questions on her sex life after claiming she was raped then it was decided she was too sexually promiscuous to be raped and it was probably her fault anyway.

aDeener · 26-01-2010 02:12PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

So the entire population of Bangladesh is fine with this case?

well the entire muslim population are fine with it yes, as that is their law that they must abide by.

Biggins · 26-01-2010 02:14PM

The example case cited above just honestly further convinces me yet again why church (religion) and state should always be kept separate.

The HorsesMouth · 26-01-2010 02:14PM

Ciaran187 wrote: »

So if there's a couple of murders in Ireland do you brand all Irish murderers just because the last one was the Irish too? I bet you don't have a clue about the Muslim culture. The different sections of the faith etc? Some extremists do exist, much in the way that the IRA and similar are around. Just because something is different or you don't understand it, there's no need to mock it.

I'm not looking to hijack the thread or get into an arguement over this, but it just p1sses me off when I see people saying, sure what do you expect, they're Muslims, or anything along those lines.

[/RANT]

Ok but the question here is would the same thing occur in other countries with a different majority religion? I think not.

The Muslim religion in general does not hold women in the same regard as they do men and so this invariably leads to what has happened to this girl. No one is saying that this is how all Muslims think or believe, but they all hold a similar thinking regarding women,be it on the extreme level as above or the progressive Muslim (who still dont treat women as totally equal).

Fighting_Irish · 26-01-2010 02:14PM

Religion ftw

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 02:16PM

aDeener wrote: »

well the entire muslim population are fine with it yes, as that is their law that they must abide by.

Just as we agree with all our laws in the West ,I suppose.

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 02:18PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Ok but the question here is would the same thing occur in other countries with a different majority religion? I think not.

The Muslim religion in general does not hold women in the same regard as they do men and so this invariably leads to what has happened to this girl. No one is saying that this is how all Muslims think or believe, but they all hold a similar thinking regarding women,be it on the extreme level as above or the progressive Muslim (who still dont treat women as totally equal).

The last Magdalene Laundry here in Ireland (a non-muslim country),closed in 1996.

The HorsesMouth · 26-01-2010 02:23PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

The last Magdalene Laundry here in Ireland (a non-muslim country),closed in 1996.

Are you seriously comparing Ireland with Bangladesh?

If a man had raped a women in Ireland in 1996 do you think he would have got away with it and the women received 101 lashes?

The_Kew_Tour · 26-01-2010 02:29PM

My old job had me reporting in many Muslim countires and the treatment of women can sometimes be barberic.

i have been unlucky to witness some very disturbing situations happen to females young and old. its part of life over in some these countires for women to be put to the lions den for bringing shame to families.

but people who compare this to cathiolics is way off the mark. im sorry but until you have seen a woman getting lashed, stoned or hung for being victim in ireland or in christian country its then we can compare.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 26-01-2010 02:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Muslims, no surprise there then

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fryup · 26-01-2010 02:32PM

16 year old rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant

and where did this happen?? co kerry??

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 02:32PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing Ireland with Bangladesh?

If a man had raped a women in Ireland in 1996 do you think he would have got away with it and the women received 101 lashes?

You're correct to point out how not every single thing in Bangladesh is the same as here in Ireland. That's very astute of you.
You made a remark about how women are treated in Muslim society and I pointed out how we had parallels in our recent past here in Ireland.

Placebo · 26-01-2010 02:34PM

takes one ignorant user [My name is URL :rolleyes:] to spark a 50 page argument.

Celly Smunt · 26-01-2010 02:34PM

why the hell does everybody think all muslims are the same malicious,evil,heartless,cruel monsters?

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 26-01-2010 02:37PM

Ah yes. Organised Religion. Would you kindly fcuk off and leave the world alone.

/thread

My name is URL · 26-01-2010 02:37PM

Placebo wrote: »

takes one ignorant user [My name is URL :rolleyes:] to spark a 50 page argument.

I don't see how what I said is ignorant.

If I was asked to guess what religion the people were in this case, I'd guess Muslim..

Not because I believe all Muslims are bad, just because I'd expect it to be that religion in which it happens most often

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 26-01-2010 02:38PM

Thats not the problem I have. The problem I have is that people believe this stuff and think it has a part in our society today.

Choke · 26-01-2010 02:39PM

From rereading the story, we have only her word that she was raped.

Could be two young people got freaky, she hastily got married a short time later (read: pregnant), was divorced because the man who married realised it wasn't his, then tried to claim she was raped to avoid punishment (AFAIR, if you can prove rape you aren't punished).

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 02:44PM

Choke wrote: »

From rereading the story, we have only her word that she was raped.

Could be two young people got freaky, she hastily got married a short time later (read: pregnant), was divorced because the man who married realised it wasn't his, then tried to claim she was raped to avoid punishment (AFAIR, if you can prove rape you aren't punished).

And she was punished ,under Sharia Law, under the assumption that all women involved in sex outside marriage or rape are automatically the guilty party.
That's my problem with assumptions and generalizations.

The HorsesMouth · 26-01-2010 02:46PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

You're correct to point out how not every single thing in Bangladesh is the same as here in Ireland. That's very astute of you.
You made a remark about how women are treated in Muslim society and I pointed out how we had parallels in our recent past here in Ireland.

I dont remember pointing out that not every single thing in Bangledesh is the same as in Ireland....

Women were of course treated badly in Ireland..they were treated badly everywhere in recent past. I'm talking about today, and the disregard to which the Muslim religion shows to women still.

Amalgam · 26-01-2010 02:50PM

MaybeLogic, be sure to mention the Crusades at some point. It's always good to go as far back as you can. Never forgive, never forget.

mynewaccount · 26-01-2010 02:53PM

WindSock wrote: »

More like: Woman recieves 101 questions on her sex life after claiming she was raped then it was decided she was too sexually promiscuous to be raped and it was probably her fault anyway.

Yep, the dirty hoor.

Celly Smunt · 26-01-2010 02:53PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

I dont remember pointing out that not every single thing in Bangledesh is the same as in Ireland....

Women were of course treated badly in Ireland..they were treated badly everywhere in recent past. I'm talking about today, and the disregard to which the Muslim religion shows to women still.

i disagree,you can ask any muslim man what he thinks or his wife and he'll reply that their love is based on respect and mutual understanding.I mean has the mans treatment towards women really progressed at all in the western world recently?,because as far as i can woman in the majority (not all) are treated as nothing more than lustful objects,all you have to do is look at how girls dress here or magazines and you'll understand that women aren't respected here at all,its just projected in a different light

Forest Master · 26-01-2010 02:57PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Then there is the sex abuse scandals here where the Guards and state services where complicit in a cover up with our so-called spiritual leaders.
Events that took place not that long ago.
Catholics the lot of them.

:rolleyes: Anyone comparing this with catholic priests molesting kids is making a stupid & moot point. Think about this logically: some priests molested children and they COVERED IT UP - because it's not an acceptable part of Catholicism. It was a scandal, FFS! It wasn't "allowed" to happen - it just did, behind closed doors. This girl got raped & then punished for it and they AREN'T COVERING IT UP, because it's an acceptable part of their religion. They seem fine with it!

You're talking as if the 2 are comparable - they're not. This situation appears to be accepted as part of their religion - but molesting kids is not an accepted part of Catholocism. It's an insane & illogical comparison to be making. And I'm an atheist, so I have no bias to either religion - it's just common sense, FFS!
And if you're going to make comparisons, at least compare things that are ALLOWED in both religions!

Your user-name is ironic, considering the gross lack of any logic in your post.

MaybeLogic · 26-01-2010 03:01PM

Forest Master wrote: »

:rolleyes: Anyone comparing this with catholic priests molesting kids is making a stupid & moot point. Think about this logically: some priests molested children and they COVERED IT UP - because it's not an acceptable part of Catholicism. It was a scandal, FFS! It wasn't "allowed" to happen - it just did, behind closed doors. This girl got raped & then punished for it and they AREN'T COVERING IT UP, because it's an acceptable part of their religion. They seem fine with it!

You're talking as if the 2 are comparable - they're not. This situation appears to be accepted as part of their religion - but molesting kids is not an accepted part of Catholocism. It's an insane & illogical comparison to be making. And I'm an atheist, so I have no bias to either religion - it's just common sense, FFS!
And if you're going to make comparisons, at least compare things that are ALLOWED in both religions!

I'm talking about labelling all Catholics as paedophiles because the establishment were complicit in Paedophilia.
My issue here is with the generalisations about an entire culture/religion.
Not with comparing situations here and elsewhere.
I used the comparison to ask if the same generalisations can be made about us.

itsonlywords · 26-01-2010 03:02PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing Ireland with Bangladesh?

If a man had raped a women in Ireland in 1996 do you think he would have got away with it and the women received 101 lashes?

Ask Berties mate. He would know. Bob the fcking Builder

itsonlywords · 26-01-2010 03:03PM

Choke wrote: »

From rereading the story, we have only her word that she was raped.

Could be two young people got freaky, she hastily got married a short time later (read: pregnant), was divorced because the man who married realised it wasn't his, then tried to claim she was raped to avoid punishment (AFAIR, if you can prove rape you aren't punished).

Wondered when that would come. Same was said about the rape victim in Dubai

Forest Master · 26-01-2010 03:07PM

MaybeLogic wrote: »

I'm talking about labelling all Catholics as paedophiles because the establishment were complicit in Paedophilia.
My issue here is with the generalisations about an entire culture/religion.
Not with comparing situations here and elsewhere.
I used the comparison to ask if the same generalisations can be made about us.

Your point is logically flawed though: you're comparing something that is ALLOWED in one religion, with something that ISN'T ALLOWED in another. Do you not understand the flawed logic in your point? Do you need another example?

Under the rules of Catholicism, priests weren't allowed to molest children: but under Islam, it appears the girl is at fault if she gets raped, the guys gets off, and the girl gets punished. So the 2 aren't comparable. Your point about generalisations is moot, because you're not comparing like with like.

16 year old rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant

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