Ireland's Begrudgery - Good Thing or a Bad Thing?

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 05:21PM #1

It has always seemed to me that this country is full of begrudgers and if anything I think it is getting worse.

If you look at any other country they have a list of people that they are proud of.

On the other hand in Ireland we think every one that has made it in one way or another is a *****r who needs a slap.

Now I'm sure some of them do. I can understand people not liking Bono, Gerry Ryan, Ryan Tosspot etc.

However, it seems that there is nobody in this country that people are proud of.

It's NOT just fame either. It seems to creep into all avenues of Irish society.

Anyone with success comes in for it.

So what says you?

AnonoBoy · 19-01-2010 05:22PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

It has always seemed to me that this country is full of begrudgers and if anything I think it is getting worse.

If you look at any other country they have a list of people that they are proud of.

On the other hand in Ireland we think every one that has made it in one way or another is a *****r who needs a slap.

Now I'm sure some of them do. I can understand people not liking Bono, Gerry Ryan, Ryan Tosspot etc.

However, it seems that there is nobody in this country that people are proud of.

It's just fame either. It seems to creep into all avenues of Irish society.

Anyone with success comes in for it.

So what says you?

tl;dr version:

Don't be a hater.

admiralofthefleet · 19-01-2010 05:22PM

to quote my 77 year old aunt: 'fuck the begrudgers'

Fago! · 19-01-2010 05:24PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

It's NOT just fame either.

Stupid Pete!

bonerm · 19-01-2010 05:25PM

The begrudgery is a bad thing. I don't respect Boner or JabbatheHutt or RyanTwaterty as entertainers, but at the same time I don't begrudge them their success. At the very least one could say they were smart/ambitious enough to tailor their repective brands of shíte to the markets seeking such rubbish.

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 05:25PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

tl;dr version:

Eight sentences?

Daroxtar · 19-01-2010 05:29PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

It has always seemed to me that this country is full of begrudgers and if anything I think it is getting worse.

If you look at any other country they have a list of people that they are proud of.

On the other hand in Ireland we think every one that has made it in one way or another is a *****r who needs a slap.

Now I'm sure some of them do. I can understand people not liking Bono, Gerry Ryan, Ryan Tosspot etc.

However, it seems that there is nobody in this country that people are proud of.

It's just fame either. It seems to creep into all avenues of Irish society.

Anyone with success comes in for it.

So what says you?

Yeah, says you with your fukn New Thread

AnonoBoy · 19-01-2010 05:31PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Eight sentences?

I'm a busy man. Stop begrudging me my busyness.

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 05:31PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

Yeah, says you with your fukn New Thread

What?

EDIT: the penny finally dropped

bonerm · 19-01-2010 05:31PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

What?

woosh

Captain_Generic · 19-01-2010 05:32PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

However, it seems that there is nobody in this country that people are proud of.

How about Brian O'Driscoll? I don't think he has any haters, and we should all be proud of him

bonerm · 19-01-2010 05:33PM

Captain_Generic wrote: »

How about Brian O'Driscoll? I don't think he has any haters, and we should all be proud of him

Yeah, everyone loves that pug-faced twat.

partyatmygaff · 19-01-2010 05:36PM

I can't find one single successful person in Ireland today that isn't begrudged or hated for some reason.

stovelid · 19-01-2010 05:37PM

Sometimes I think that "begrudgery" seems to equate to nothing more than a label for people who don't cravenly doff their cap to people who make more money or who are more successful than them.

When in fact, it's often just that we think that said celeb/person is a cunt anyway and their status or wealth actually has nothing to do with it.

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 05:38PM

bonerm wrote: »

woosh

Linky for ya.

AnonoBoy · 19-01-2010 05:39PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I can't find one single successful person in Ireland today that isn't begrudged or hated for some reason.

David Norris. Everyone loves that cheeky gay.

Captain_Generic · 19-01-2010 05:41PM

Arthur Guinness

If you hate him, you're a dickhead

xoxyx · 19-01-2010 05:42PM

It's a bit petty, but it's definitely the Irish way. A friend of mine has quite the crush on Andie MacDowell and he saw her on Grafton Street a good few months back. I asked her did he go up to her and he said "naw, didn't want to give her a big head"! Now, he's a nice guy and all, but I don't think his opinion is enough to make or break Andie.
I don't like it, but we never seem to be happy unless we're putting somebody down. A nation of begrudgers and bitches!

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 05:43PM

stovelid wrote: »

When in fact, it's often just that we think that said celeb/person is a cunt anyway and their status or wealth actually has nothing to do with it.

I think that's true to a point.

But when you look at the fact that you could count on one hand the amount of Irish people who people do look up to.

As I said though, maybe it's a good thing when compared to somewhere like the states where you have ever person who has fame getting an ar*e licking everywhere they go.

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 05:46PM

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Arthur Guinness

Well, dead people don't count.

It Ireland it goes without saying that we love people who are dead even if we hated them while living.

Hypocrites and begrudges we have no shortage of.

Captain_Generic · 19-01-2010 05:53PM

Colm Meaney? Gotta love him for DS9

COYW · 19-01-2010 05:54PM

Its nothing to do with fame at all. A large proportion of this nation are whinging, bitter begrudgers. They hate to see anyone else achieve anything and take every chance to put successful people down or even honest people who get a break. Also, everyone else is worse off than us. That bit of snow and cold weather we had the other week was treated like a catastrophe, fgs.

My ma always tells me that the irish dont need anyone else to put us down because we do it to ourselves and we are the worlds best at it.

mickoneill30 · 19-01-2010 06:00PM

COYW wrote: »

Its nothing to do with fame at all. A large proportion of this nation are whinging, bitter begrudgers.

There was a joke that in the US when somebody succeeds everybody else looks at him and says "Someday......I'll be that guy".

In Ireland they say "Someday.....I'll get that guy" (or maybe worded a bit stronger).

It's true though. Easier to resent the "lucky" guys that make it rather than get off your ass and do it yourself.

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 06:02PM

COYW wrote: »

My ma always tells me that the irish dont need anyone else to put us down because we do it to ourselves and we are the worlds best at it.

You're lucky to have a mother that seems to be very wise.

A lot of people would tell you that most of the criticism and begrudgery that they have received, that has affected them the deepest their lives, has come from within their own family.

BraziliaNZ · 19-01-2010 06:05PM

I hate this word, it's used far too much in Ireland. Anyway - give us an example of someone people hate due to their success? And I don't think this is a particularly Irish thing, same in Britain.

ScumLord · 19-01-2010 06:05PM

It's how we maintain equality and help those fortunate enough to have money or fame from turning into tosspots.

Takk · 19-01-2010 06:08PM

Bruce Springsteen.

Hey, if it's good enough for the Irish soccer team... :pac:

mike65 · 19-01-2010 06:09PM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I hate this word, it's used far too much in Ireland. Anyway - give us an example of someone people hate due to their success? And I don't think this is a particularly Irish thing, same in Britain.

Its subtly different across the water, the hope is that the sucessful fella will simply loose it all (and the girl). Rather than actively resenting the successful they merely wish to see it end.

BraziliaNZ · 19-01-2010 06:10PM

I don't buy this - look at our football team for example, very limited players like Zinedine Kilbane are national heroes ffs! We once had an open top bus for a snooker player. Where else would you get this? There might be a kind of hatred for the upper classes from lower classes, but i think this happens everywhere.

stovelid · 19-01-2010 06:12PM

It's often an aggressively patriotic thing.

Ah sure, *celeb* or *person* is doing Ireland proud. /end.

The expectation is that you must suspend critical faculty about fuckwits like Louis Walsh, Bono and Micheal O Leary because they've done alright for themselves and are famous. Failure to kowtow to this opinion is seen as being begrudging.

It's not. I think they are cunts.

On the other hand, I happen to have no problem with equally wealthy and famous Irish people like Robbie Keane and Phil Lynott so the begrudging argument is bogus.

IvySlayer · 19-01-2010 06:16PM

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Arthur Guinness

If you hate him, you're a dickhead

TO MARTHA!!

Anyway.

I don't know why there's a lot of hate towards Irish celebs. Bono, he's one of the most successful musicians of all time. He's good at it.

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