Ireland's Begrudgery - Good Thing or a Bad Thing?

Biggins

One of the first businesses I started up taught me a big lesson/reminder of things noted before.
The begrugers came out of the woodwork - but from a direction I least expected.

ALL of the begrugers came from aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Non-relatives when they heard I'd started up a business went like "O' I didn't know that...", "how's is going?" and "good luck".
The family related beyond ma, da and brothers and sisters immediately adopted an amazing attitude of "Who does he think he is!", "Does he think he is something special?" and "He will fail in two weeks!" (I didn't - I built the business up and in time sold it quite handsomely)

The begruging was unreal and it only came from those I least expected, those close to me.
The episode was a quick reminder that one should never be quick to believe all that is close to you is not always what you wish or that one should not judge a book by its cover!

During this early period I went to America and Europe and I was treated with respect and EQUALLY just as anyone else who was trying to make their mark and way in the world by their own style of walking.
Once home again, the back stabbing daggers (comments) from those related were out again. While I was away I know they were still begrudging too.
What can you do but try to ignore the backwards assholes...

Ireland at times, its attitudes sometimes is unreal and some people need to kop the fcuk on, wake up and realise what century we are living in and not think it still the dark ages!

Terry

It's post colonial mentality passed down through the years.

In 19th century Ireland the majority of those doing well were kowtowing to the occupying force. At the time begrudgery of those people was, well, it was ****ing deserved. They were traitors.

We've been an independant state for close to 100 years now. That type of mentality belongs in the past, but it's inherent in some families and they pass it on to their childer.

PLIIM

Biggins wrote: »

One of the first businesses I started up taught me a big lesson/reminder of things noted before.
The begrugers came out of the woodwork - but from a direction I least expected.

ALL of the begrugers came from aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Non-relatives when they heard I'd started up a business went like "O' I didn't know that...", "how's is going?" and "good luck".
The family related beyond ma, da and brothers and sisters immediately adopted an amazing attitude of "Who does he think he is!", "Does he think he is something special?" and "He will fail in two weeks!" (I didn't - I built the business up and in time sold it quite handsomely)

The begruging was unreal and it only came from those I least expected, those close to me.
The episode was a quick reminder that one should never be quick to believe all that is close to you is not always what you wish or that one should not judge a book by its cover!

During this early period I went to America and Europe and I was treated with respect and EQUALLY just as anyone else who was trying to make their mark and way in the world by their own style of walking.
Once home again, the back stabbing daggers (comments) from those related were out again. While I was away I know they were still begrudging too.
What can you do but try to ignore the backwards assholes...

Ireland at times, its attitudes sometimes is unreal and some people need to kop the fcuk on, wake up and realise what century we are living in and not think it still the dark ages!

Jesus, I hate begrudgers with a passion.

Dudess

"Begrudgery" has to be one of the most misused/overused terms on Boards - up there with "PC".

Even a vague comment like "I don't like x because (s)he's a twat" is not guaranteed to be an example of begrudgery. It's just assumed by so many that "oh it must be resentment at their success" - why necessarily?

And also, Ireland "not proud" of success? You have GOT to be kidding me! It's cringeworthy how much the media here fawns over even success of the vaguest kind.
And why "should" we be proud of e.g. Brian O'Driscoll? Not being proud of someone isn't begrudgery either, yet it's concluded it is. Some people don't feel compelled to feel pride at the achievements of those who share their nationality, some do. Each to their own. I'm not proud of Brian O'Driscoll - doesn't mean I begrudge or even dislike him. I have absolutely no feelings on the guy at all.
Someone said they can't think of any successful person in Ireland who isn't hated or begrudged. I'd happily wager there isn't any successful person in the entire world who isn't hated or begrudged.

And what really gets on my tits is the unsubstantiated ("I know one guy who" is about as substantiated as it gets - if at all) drivel that follows in the wake of a discussion on begrudgery about "we" Irish - "typical Ireland", "the Irish way" etc. Can someone please explain how it's more of an Irish thing than anywhere else?

COYW wrote: »

That bit of snow and cold weather we had the other week was treated like a catastrophe, fgs.

That unusually severe cold weather we had over approximately three weeks actually was quite a problem for people in certain parts of the country, and Ireland isn't equipped for it as it is so rare.

My ma always tells me that the irish dont need anyone else to put us down because we do it to ourselves and we are the worlds best at it.

Your ma being no exception!

Maison Glamorous Sewer wrote: »

Do you have any real reasons for hating bono or are you just following the sheep who hate him for no reason other than "everyone else hates him". What a crock of shít...

Maybe you could have waited until he answered before jumping to the bolded conclusion?

If I were to go by Boards (and I wouldn't) apologists for not enough fawning over successful people (bullsh1t btw) seem far more prevalent in Ireland than so-called begrudgers... if that can even be defined. If being a begrudger means being the antithesis of the Barry Egan type muppets of this island, then just call me Lady Begrudge.

Mike 1972

Dudess wrote: »

"Begrudgery" has to be one of the most misused/overused terms on Boards - up there with "PC"...................

I wish I could thank that post twice.

I'm not proud of Brian O'Driscoll - doesn't mean I begrudge or even dislike him

Me neither.

Possibly because I havent a scooby who he is ?????????

phantom_lord

i know a guy that's utterly consumed by this. every time i talk to him he manages to bring in some rant about "middle class people".

he's a borderline communist at this stage, one of the reasons he's quitting his current job is because make a vow to himself never to take a job that would involve him "helping make the rich richer".

Dudess

How is that necessarily begrudgery though?

Mike 1972

phantom_lord wrote: »

every time i talk to him he manages to bring in some rant about "middle class people".

Not saying we live in a classless society or anything but I wish people would stop using stupid phrases that belong in the 19th century.

In fact If you can show me two people who can agree on that the terms "middle class" and "working class" actually mean in this day and age Ill tell you which of them I am.

How is that necessarily begrudgery though?

It is vaugely
He considers himself "working class" and he begrudges people whom he considers to be "middle class" ?

phantom_lord

well quitting his job isn't. that's just being a retard. although i suspect it's partly because he's annoyed that his bosses get to drive to work in nice cars while he grinds it out on the bus.

his rants and how he constantly feels the need to make fun of people are clearly because of it though.

phantom_lord

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Not saying we live in a classless society or anything but I wish people would stop using stupid phrases that belong in the 19th century.

In fact If you can show me two people who can agree on that the terms "middle class" and "working class" actually mean in this day and age Ill tell you which of them I am.

ha, not to long ago he said something along the lines of "as a member of the proletariat..."

stovelid

I should also point out in the interests of pedantry that I'm not sure if begrudgery is actually a real word?

Is it?

Mike 1972

phantom_lord wrote: »

well quitting his job isn't. that's just being a retard. although i suspect it's partly because he's annoyed that his bosses get to drive to work in nice cars while he grinds it out on the bus.

If he could hold down a job for long enough he might be able to afford a set of wheels himself ?

Then again that would only make a motor dealer richer ?

as a member of the proletariat...

Going by some definitions the fact that he knows a word like proletariat would indicate that he isint ? (although he may consider it a tad bourgeoise of me to say so)

stovelid wrote: »

I should also point out in the interests of pedantry that I'm not sure if begrudgery is actually a real word?

Is it?

While your dedication to pedantry is indeed admirable I believe you may be mistaken ? The fact that the term is in general use to the extent that just about everyone here understands its meaning suggests that it is indeed a word

stovelid

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The fact that the term is in general use to the extent that just about everyone here understands its meaning suggests that it is indeed a word

Like cuntishness, really. I often use this.

I bet the reason you edited your post and added the above proviso was because you clicked through your own links and realized all the official sources had no such word.

Terry

stovelid wrote: »

I should also point out in the interests of pedantry that I'm not sure if begrudgery is actually a real word?

Is it?

I'm copyrighting it as we speak.
Jealous?

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

"Begrudgery" has to be one of the most misused/overused terms on Boards - up there with "PC".

See I would say that people saying "You can't dislike someone without being labeled a begrudger.." and "I hate people saying it's not PC" and "Oh I bet he say's 'I'm not Racist, but..next" - were some of the most overused terms on Boards.

I am sick of reading that rubbish.

Dudess wrote: »

Even a vague comment like "I don't like x because (s)he's a twat" is not guaranteed to be an example of begrudgery. It's just assumed by so many that "oh it must be resentment at their success" - why necessarily?

Well, just explain why you think and what you think and if they still call you a begrudger, tell them to go f**k themselves.

Just because your not a 'begrudger' in the above circumstance and you get labeled as one unjustifiably, does then mean that it doesn't exist, it does.

I think Ryan Tubridy is a prick and if someone says I am a just a 'begrudger' for that then they are bigger pricks. It is my contention that if you have a enough cause to think someone is a cock and you say as much then this is not 'begrudgery'.

Dudess wrote: »

And also, Ireland "not proud" of success? You have GOT to be kidding me!

I'm not

Yes the media will use them to sell papers and they'll be on the Late Late getting a rim job but the people reading that paper and watching that show will most likely be saying 'Look at that D4 twat up there thinking he's all that'.

Dudess wrote: »

I'm not proud of Brian O'Driscoll - doesn't mean I begrudge or even dislike him. I have absolutely no feelings on the guy at all.

Me neither. But the people that do begrudge him are not proud of him, that's what context I said it in, but if you want to suggest that I meant that not being proud was in fact begrudgery - go ahead.

Dudess wrote: »

Can someone please explain how it's more of an Irish thing than anywhere else?

Well, I don't know about it being exclusive to Ireland as I have never lived outside of Ireland for any great length of time.

However, whenever you hear an Irish actor or footballer etc talk about things when they are 'home' - time and time again you will hear them say that they feel a level of begrudgery in Ireland when they come home.

Dudess wrote: »

If being a begrudger means being the antithesis of the Barry Egan type muppets of this island, then just call me Lady Begrudge.

I see nothing from your posts to suggest you are a Begrudger so we'll have to hold off on that title for now

stovelid

Terry wrote: »

Jealous?

Seething.

Dudess

Pete, I'm not saying there aren't begrudgers. Dislike of individuals who happen to be successful can stem from a variety of reasons, one of them being begrudgery - I'd imagine far less so than many would have us believe though. And also, I don't believe a person should have to explain why they consider someone a twat.

Cuntishness, cuntbag, cuntrag - \0/ - no swear filter for words that contain cunt. I seem to remember someone saying it was so that Scunthorpe United can be discussed in Soccer. Can't see how that would have ever come up though... :pac:

Mike 1972

stovelid wrote: »

I bet the reason you edited your post and added the above proviso was because you clicked through your own links and realized all the official sources had no such word.

Official sources do not own copyright on the English language

Like cuntishness, really. I often use this.

Its a word

stovelid

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Official sources do not own copyright on the English language

You shouldn't quote official sources then? Just disregard my post on your own steam.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Its a word

You got my hopes up here. I actually thought it was in a dictionary. One day it will transpire.

Mike 1972

Dudess wrote: »

no swear filter for words that contain cunt.:

Nobody ever thought of a swearword filter which can include spaces before words ?

Dudess wrote: »

I seem to remember someone saying it was so that Scunthorpe United can be discussed in Soccer. Can't see how that would have ever come up though... :pac:

Perhaps it was for threads on historic placenames with references to Gropecunt Lane

Terry

stovelid wrote: »

Seething.

You're jealous.

Dudess

You could even say he's... begrudging.

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

And also, I don't believe a person should have to explain why they consider someone a twat.

I don't believe they should have to either.

However, I do believe that if someone says Gerry Ryan is a cnut and has reason other than - "they just are, right". Well then that is gonna make people think that it is just begrudging on their part.

I am not saying that is a good or bad thing by the way, which is why this thread has a Poll

Of course people have a right to say whatever and feel whatver they wish but if people don't have some kind of basis for feeling the way they do they are just gonna look like they are a big ole begrudger ® .

Someone like Degsy on the other hand can never be labeled a 'begrudger' as his has very solid and ironclad reasons for wanting G Ryan out on his ar*e on the Stillorgan Dual carriageway :pac:

MaybeLogic

Isn't there a primitive element to this whole begrudgery thing,the beta-humans griping about the alpha-humans as we we all scramble about for our places on the pecking order?

Latchy

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I don't know about it being exclusive to Ireland as I have never lived outside of Ireland for any great length of time.

However, whenever you hear an Irish actor or footballer etc talk about things when they are 'home' - time and time again you will hear them say that they feel a level of begrudgery in Ireland when they come home.

Ireland compared to the uk is a big village were equally clebs are open and subjected to ridicule and abuse by public and media alike , quite a lot of it deserved to since their fame is flaunted and whored around to the higgest bidder . But then celeb has always being overated and the likes of Louis Walsh ,Gerry Ryan and Michael O Leary etc are more fitting of being called twats, not so much for their ' success ' but for their public persona than anything else ie, ....they talk a load of Bollax

Kirnsy

I think Cillian Murphy and Mary Robinson are two examples of Irish people that seem to be above begrudgery.

Anyone got any others?

OutlawPete

Latchy wrote: »

Louis Walsh ,Gerry Ryan and Michael O Leary etc are more fitting of being called twats, not so much for their ' success ' but for their public persona than anything else ie, ....they talk a load of Bollax

Yep, all three of them are twats

OutlawPete

Kirnsy wrote: »

I think Cillian Murphy and Mary Robinson are two examples of Irish people that seem to be above begrudgery.

Anyone got any others?

Mary Robinson?

Hang on here for another 10 minutes :pac:

Latchy

Kirnsy wrote: »

I think Mary Robinson is an example of an Irish person that seem to be above begrudgery.

I shook her hand once ..haven't washed it since :pac:

zynaps

Resurrecting a slightly mouldy thread, but thought I should add some evidence of our cultural habit of begrudgery: the phrase "you think you're GREAT, don't you?" which is used as an insult when it should really be a compliment. Simply having a positive view of yourself is considered a fault!

Kirnsy wrote: »

I think Cillian Murphy and Mary Robinson are two examples of Irish people that seem to be above begrudgery.

Also, Colm Meaney and Brendan Gleeson!