What is Dublin becoming...

OutlawPete · 18-01-2010 09:52PM

pvt.joker wrote: »

I stopped reading after that

You missed the best part.

A guy broke in forced her to make Martinis and strip for him.

It was Trent.

marcsignal · 18-01-2010 10:05PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

I honestly feel it was far far worse in the 80's.

I go to gigs all the time and I haven't seen a row in years.

Back in the 80's in was mental.

I remmeber seeing The Housmartins at the SFX in '89 and they needed four ambulances to take away the casualties.

I'm drinking in Bruxelles since I was 15 and I haven't seen a row in there since 95.

yeah, i know what you mean, i do remember seeing rows for sure, and when they happened, all hell broke loose, and took ages to get under control, but like I said, pubs and clubs were only manned by the odd bouncer/doorman. Now there are wall-to-wall big eastern European dudes policing clubs and venues, that would break you in two, but take Harcourt St. on a Saturday night today, that can be a warzone at times, even with the big Garda HQ there.

I don't want to sound like I'm contradicting myself from previous posts, but from what I can see, fights between individuals today seem to be more drug fuelled, savage, and much harder to defuse.

I passed the new Tram Co a few weeks ago in a cab, and a gang of scumbags were jumping all over some guys head outside, absolutely horrific thing to see. There seems to be a stronger mob/dog mentality out there than before.

Maybe it's just me, there is that possibility I'm just getting older, and notice these things more, than I did back in my 20's. I just don't recall ever feeling threatened back then.

Nodin · 18-01-2010 10:09PM

ladybirdirl wrote: »

Mods not(..........)I'm off back to Limerick:p;)

Nothing that didn't when I was 15 and that was 25 years ago. Urban living for ye.

Bandit12 · 18-01-2010 10:11PM

The guards having lost the ability to give some of these scumbags a good hiding is a huge problem. I'm 37 years old and in my day (yes i sound like an old fobbie) we got up to some mischief but you where actually afraid of the guards and of getting caught. Nowadays young lads throw stones at garda cars and taunt the guards to get out and chase them.

As far as i'm concerned it's time for national service being compulsary for all repeat offenders. The sooner the better.

marcsignal · 18-01-2010 10:24PM

Bandit12 wrote: »

The guards having lost the ability to give some of these scumbags a good hiding is a huge problem. I'm 37 years old and in my day (yes i sound like an old fobbie) we got up to some mischief but you where actually afraid of the guards and of getting caught. Nowadays young lads throw stones at garda cars and taunt the guards to get out and chase them.

meet your brother

Bandit12 wrote: »

As far as i'm concerned it's time for national service being compulsary for all repeat offenders. The sooner the better.

That used to be my first instinct too Bandit12, but I looked into this for a college thesis a few years ago, and it's a solution that has many many limitations, besides, from what I learned, the Military don't want these degenerates. Grooming them and making them upstanding citizens is not the Army's responsibility. However it has some potential as an alternative to sentencing for some crimes with some individuals, by way of giving them a second chance, and when in the Army, if they don't perform to expectations, they go back to the clink and serve their original sentence. They tried in in the U.S. but with only limited success.

A term in a harsh prison regieme would be my preference for them now, to be honest.

Kipperhell · 18-01-2010 10:25PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

please inform me on how the shootings in Dublin are as a result of having peace in the North ????

The drug trade and gangs were kept in control by the IRA. Removal of this led to two things an influx of guns and removal cap on gang control. The IRA controlled lots of organised crime and the disappearance of them created a vacuum that is now being fought over.

mannequinhands · 18-01-2010 10:37PM

yea unfortunatly it dosent surpise me in the least either the fact is they probley done it just to beat him up and took the hoody and money as a bonus
garda could have been a bit more sympathetic

18-01-2010 10:50PM

Kipperhell wrote: »

The drug trade and gangs were kept in control by the IRA. Removal of this led to two things an influx of guns and removal cap on gang control. The IRA controlled lots of organised crime and the disappearance of them created a vacuum that is now being fought over.

Indeed. I'm surprised at how many in this thread thought it was a silly thing to say. In the North everyone knows street crime/petty crime/random thuggery is on the rise for this reason.

RMD · 18-01-2010 10:56PM

S0crates wrote: »

Sterilise repeat offenders of violent crime and rid us of their inhumane offspring within a couple of generations! S0crates genuinely believes he is a better person than someone who walks around wearing tracksuits, drinking cans in public and assaulting members of the public.
Crimes like that should carry mandatory 10 year sentences.

Don't try to immitate Pighead's manner of talking, it's only funny when he does it.

Mike 1972 · 18-01-2010 11:10PM

marcsignal wrote: »

from what I learned, the Military don't want these degenerates. Grooming them and making them upstanding citizens is not the Army's responsibility.

Never ceases to amaze me that so many people believe that teaching scumbags how to use guns is a good idea :eek:

partyatmygaff · 18-01-2010 11:16PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me that so many people believe that teaching scumbags how to use guns is a good idea :eek:

Who said they're gonna be trained in using guns?

They can be cleaners, support personnel e.t.c.

utick · 19-01-2010 12:00AM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0118/dublin.html

now the scum are shooting at fire brigades with air rifles. What exactly are they hoping to achieve by shooting at fire services

Howard the Duck · 19-01-2010 12:07AM

Few months ago i was out in town with a friend and we were walking up towards the foggy dew. It was about 9.30 pm and a couple of teenage boy were walking down towards up and one of them ran at me as if to punch me but then ran off.
Few seconds later just before the foggy dew he runs up behind me and punches me in the side of the head. By the time i turned around he was off down the road.
I was ok just damaged my glasses which came off when i was punched. They were definitely on something and not just alcohol.. they were gone like a flash by the time i even turned around.
To be honest this is the only violent incident i've ever been involved in when i've been out in Dublin and i go out most weekends.
This hasn't put me off Dublin in the slightest and i feel safe enough whenever i'm in town. But now i wear contacts when i go out so if it happens again i can react faster and maybe beat the crap outta them... well to be honest i probably wouldn't as i'm quiet a peaceful person.. but i'd defend myself

The Citizen · 19-01-2010 12:10AM

As chaos breaks out in the city, it is time for the good people to unite. This is a war where we are all soldiers. As the scum army grows, so too must our collective skillsets of combat and stealth. I dream of a city, void of the scum. A city where people can walk at any time without living in fear of their lives. For this vision to go from dream to reality lies in our hands. The scum will perish as justice is served.

:mad:

douglashyde · 19-01-2010 12:39AM

To the OP:

I know it sounds terrible - but at least they robbed him.

It does happen when scumbags do start trouble for the sake of trouble.

So to all you scumbags, if you are going to batter me - at least rob me!

Ahoy! · 19-01-2010 12:57AM

This happens everywhere. This somehow reminds me of a story from back home (eastern europe). Chap was walking through a shady area at night and a group of youths were hanging around. They stopped him and asked him to give all his money. Ofcourse he said he didnt have any,so they said if they found any they will light him on fire for lying. He did have money and they did light him on fire,all for a few quid. True story.

Sometimes makes you wonder,wtf is next?

df1985 · 19-01-2010 01:25AM

i lost all interest when the OP said "SoCoDub"

genericguy · 19-01-2010 03:22PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Ummm, I can only partially agree there OutlawPete, i'm in my early 40's and drank in town every weekend from the mid 80's. Getting grief walking home, in my experience, was the exception rather than the rule. Pub fights, when they happened, did seem to be chaotic, because there was little pub security, most pubs in town had only 1, or at most, 2 doormen, who stayed on the door all night and rarely came inside. Also, fights, in general were easier to break up and defuse, and I can't remember ever seeing 10 guys kicking the living shit out of 1 guy lying on the ground, even the Stephens Green 'Scum Punks' (as they were known) rarely did anything like that. Fights happened with fists, not with knives or guns, and when they were over, they were over.

i agree with this - i'm only 24, but even i see that things are different now than when i was growing up. the fights on the street were always a few digs, someone went down and that was that. now the first step in a row appears to be the pulling of a knife.

Dragan · 19-01-2010 03:35PM

utick wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0118/dublin.html

now the scum are shooting at fire brigades with air rifles. What exactly are they hoping to achieve by shooting at fire services

They are not trying to do anything, they are having a laugh.

It's funny to them, the same way as jumping on some poor **** is funny to them.

themilkyone · 19-01-2010 03:41PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

I'm tired of reading threads saying Dublin and the Country is getting more this and more that.

I'm in my 30's and I can tell you for certain that Dublin was just as rough if not rougher in the 80's. I seen far more street fights, pub glassings etc back then than I even hear about now.

The only reason people think its worse today is because if have so many media outlets that have to print story after story and also because of sites like Boards were people can communicate their experiences far easier.

I don't think the huge problem is over pety gang fights on the side of the street or glassings in a local pub it's more to do with the violence as a whole. You can't honestly say that there was this many shootings back in the 80's.

OutlawPete · 19-01-2010 03:47PM

themilkyone wrote: »

You can't honestly say that there was this many shootings back in the 80's.

"Shootings" no, but the guy in OP's post just got a hiding.

neilthefunkeone · 19-01-2010 03:50PM

Ive been the victim of this twice before.. Live in Tallaght.. Happened years ago though.. when i was 15-16..

It sucks that it happens but im not just gonna hide in my room over it...

gurramok · 19-01-2010 03:52PM

genericguy wrote: »

i agree with this - i'm only 24, but even i see that things are different now than when i was growing up. the fights on the street were always a few digs, someone went down and that was that. now the first step in a row appears to be the pulling of a knife.

I agree 100% here. This modern crap started to happen in the last 10yrs and its mostly the under 30 group that are involved, its as if the first breakup of Take That got too much to their heads :P

suitseir · 19-01-2010 03:59PM

It is as common in rural Ireland as in SoCoDub. By and large, while drink is the culprit, imo, other substances have to be part of the scene as well.

It is the norm.....all this type of activity is perceived as being cool and is copycat from what these people see in movies and on the TV.

They get smashed before they leave their residences and then its off to the pub and of course, the off licence on the way home. The type of drink, like shorts, shots, alcopops etc. mixed with other sh*** is hitting their brains and driving them into a frenzy. Even the cops are afraid of them. If something is not done, we will have anarchy on the streets. It is opening the way for Community Alert Groups who are sick and tired of these activities in their neighbourhood every weekend, turning into vigilantes.

Jumpy · 19-01-2010 04:03PM

Did I miss the "Dublin Forum" thataway post?

kpbdublin · 19-01-2010 04:03PM

Good post. One of the disturbing features of this story is the reported reaction of Gardai.

bullpost · 19-01-2010 04:17PM

I went out regularily in Dublin in the 80's and never got hassle.
One thing that seems to have changed is how people drink - most people then would start out slowly and drink steadily over a long night. If there was agro it would be late at night when everyone was "Tired and emotional" and so mostly a few digs were thrown and it ended. Now the trend is to consume lots of acohol early in the night and go out pissed. So loads of energy while pissed early in the night will lead to more violence and random assaults.

General Zod · 19-01-2010 06:19PM

I imagine The Citizen is dressed as Rorschach at all times.

Bonito · 19-01-2010 06:42PM

TBH it happens everywhere, sure that's why within the last 18 months the railway security guards have all been issued with stab proof vests....

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