What is Dublin becoming...

ladybirdirl

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So at the weekend had this odd experience which makes me wonder what this town we call Dublin is coming to.

I was out for the evening,came in & was sitting at home in SoCoDub working on my laptop. I've had a few drinks & I'm thinking probably time to go to bed around 2am. Look out my front window & see this person leaning on my car.

Off out I trot(in my slippers,maybe not the best option) to tell this scumbag to get AWAY from my car.

When I got out, it turns out it was a 16 year old young fella who is bleeding, moaning & generally in a bad way.
What was I to do, I brought him into my house,called the guards & an ambo.

He was mortified poor chap, the guards were less than sympathetic & the ambo carted him off.

As far as I could gather he was at some party, he's walking home across the green in front of my house & he gets hopped on, literally minutes from home. Phone is gone,cash is gone, hoodie is gone(presume it was A&F;)) & he has a fat lip,a shiner, lots of cuts & scrapes & I heard later a cracked rib & concussion.

Is this what young guys can expect on a night out? At 16?

Maybe I'm just mad but I can't understand the point of hopping a young fella for a mobile & a few quid?
Is it sport or something to pick on young fellas?

Does this happen all the time? if it does I'm off back to Limerick:p;)

Kintarō Hattori

ladybirdirl wrote: »

Does this happen all the time? if it does I'm off back to Limerick:p;)

About as much as it does in Limerick I would imagine.

Bonito

ladybirdirl wrote: »

Mods not sure if this is the best place for this,feel free to move.

So at the weekend had this odd experience which makes me wonder what this town we call Dublin is coming to.

I was out for the evening,came in & was sitting at home in SoCoDub working on my laptop. I've had a few drinks & I'm thinking probably time to go to bed around 2am. Look out my front window & see this person leaning on my car.

Off out I trot(in my slippers,maybe not the best option) to tell this scumbag to get AWAY from my car.

When I got out, it turns out it was a 16 year old young fella who is bleeding, moaning & generally in a bad way.
What was I to do, I brought him into my house,called the guards & an ambo.

He was mortified poor chap, the guards were less than sympathetic & the ambo carted him off.

As far as I could gather he was at some party, he's walking home across the green in front of my house & he gets hopped on, literally minutes from home. Phone is gone,cash is gone, hoodie is gone(presume it was A&F;)) & he has a fat lip,a shiner, lots of cuts & scrapes & I heard later a cracked rib & concussion.

Is this what young guys can expect on a night out? At 16?

Maybe I'm just mad but I can't understand the point of hopping a young fella for a mobile & a few quid?
Is it sport or something to pick on young fellas?

Does this happen all the time? if it does I'm off back to Limerick:p;)

Unfortunately it happens Op. Fair play for bringin the chappy in though

GLaDOS

Whereabouts in Dublin was it? But yeah, sadly, this isn't particularly shocking in some parts

MaybeLogic

He's drunk ,he's 16 ,wandering around alone at 2am .
What does he expect?
Good Samaritan helps him;karmic balance is restored in the Universe.

major bill

a man from my area was beat to a inch of his life on saturday night, add this to the young lad stabbed in coolock and the shootings i honestly think dublin is gone to sh1te and something needs to be done.

new years eve i had trouble meself, me and my mate were attacked by 8 lads although we were able to fight them off leaving me with a fat lip. i wont walk anywhere alone in dublin not worth it too much scum on our streets and lads(cowards) only too willing to stab ye over nothing.

ps op limerick is just as bad sadly.

brummytom

Dublin is a major city. Unfortunately, things like that are commonplace everywhere now; even in smaller towns. I mean, me and my mates got jumped in the town I live in; quite a small place. I was 16, my mates were 15 and the lads (maybe 20 of them) were from 17-19ish.

It's society now, it's not just limited to Dublin.

If you haven't seen it in Limerick, you're just lucky - it does happen

KTRIC

MaybeLogic wrote: »

He's drunk ,he's 16 ,wandering around at 2am .
What does he expect?
Good Samaritan helps him,karmic balance is restored in the Universe.

So by your reasoning because he's drunk and on his way home he deserves to get the shoite kicked out of him and mugged ??

Well done, you've restored my faith in humanity. :rolleyes:

Dublin141

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Whereabouts in Dublin was it? But yeah, sadly, this isn't particularly shocking in some parts

Out of curiosity, in what parts of Dublin would it be shocking?

Gyalist

My 14 year old son was mugged for his mobile at Cowper Road Luas station two Wednesdays ago at about 4:30 in the evening. So it happens even in the most unlikely parts of Dublin. Luckily he wasn't physically hurt but was badly shaken up.

MaybeLogic

KTRIC wrote: »

So by your reasoning because he's drunk and on his way home he deserves to get the shoite kicked out of him and mugged ??

Well done, you've restored my faith in humanity. :rolleyes:

Point out where I said he deserved it,please.
I said he can expect it.

major bill

KTRIC wrote: »

So by your reasoning because he's drunk and on his way home he deserves to get the shoite kicked out of him and mugged ??

Well done, you've restored my faith in humanity. :rolleyes:

i think what he meant was he should know dublin is not the sort of place ye walk around on your own at 2 in the morning and maybe should be copped on to this!!!

harsh way of putting it though.

Terry

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Whereabouts in Dublin was it? But yeah, sadly, this isn't particularly shocking in some parts

Didn't you read the post?
It was in SoCoDub.

Happens a bit here in NoCoKil too.

billy the squid

it happens everywhere. sometimes it can happen to feed someones heroin habit, other times you get youngfellas doing it for "the sneer."

GLaDOS

Dublin141 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, in what parts of Dublin would it be shocking?

True, I think I meant more that in some places it is almost expected

mikom

Dublin141 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, in what parts of Dublin would it be shocking?

The Dáil..................... They prefer to rob you by stealth.

BigBelly

What was a 16 year old doing out @ 2 in the morning?
I haven't heard of this becoming a frequent thing but it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe don't go charging out the door at someone leaning against your car though, it may not be the best move if this is happening in your area.

paddyland

Don't you understand?

The banks' profits are in crisis. The developers are losing their fortunes. The main government party in this country is in danger of losing seats at the next election. Our international reputation as a 220mph Ferrari (admittedly a green one driven by a punch drunk leprechaun) is spoilt.

There are far too many great and grand things for our FF overlords to worry about to concern themselves with the little lives of the ordinary people.

rednik

We need Elliot Ness here asap.

Kipperhell

major bill wrote: »

add this to the young lad stabbed in coolock and the shootings i honestly think dublin is gone to sh1te and something needs to be done.

After I read the story of the events it appears the "innocent" young lad was involved in a car chase with people he was having a disagreement with. Terrible sad anybody got killed over the noise at a party but it sounds like there was thuggery on both sides as it was described on RTE.

"The death of former soldier Mr O'Connor was linked to a row among neighbours in The Beech apartment building at the Grattan Wood complex in Donaghmede, north Dublin.

A friend of Mr O'Connor, who lived in the complex, became annoyed over loud parties in an upstairs apartment.

When the noise levels rose again shortly after midnight on Saturday he called to the apartment to complain but the party apparently continued.

The man then contacted Mr O'Connor and other friends as he felt concerned about his safety.

Meanwhile the party upstairs continued even though at one stage fuses were removed from the fusebox in the complex.

A row then broke out and spilled over into the complex car park and then onto the road.

Some of those who had been involved in the argument, including Mr O'Connor, left the scene in two cars, a black Honda Civic and a silver Ford Focus.

The cars collided a short distance away at Hole in the Wall Road in Donaghmede and Mr O'Connor was stabbed in the chest with the long-bladed kitchen knife."

As for some guy getting beaten up at 16 walking through a park it is nothing new or unique to Dublin/any suburban environment.

The shootings are new and are at least partially a result of peace in the North

humberklog

Young lad beaten up! Holy good god, what's this place becoming. Wasn't so bad when it was just the elderly getting a wallop...but not the kids!!

Thank god I live in Sandycove and nowhere near this SoCoDub. It sounds like a right ol' kip.

jumpguy

Boredom & loitering.

Drugs and Drink.

Poor education.


Just some of the reasons, the drugs and drink problem is only getting worse btw, not getting better. Knife crime is on the up. Ireland is a country that was totally unprepared for the bad factors of the economic boom. Society is changing....

For example, it's recently reported on the Luas, that public crime has increased by 100% in the past year. Incredible.

I live in a small town and even I notice it. As a teenager, going into town for a night and not getting verbally abused (thankfully it's never gone beyond that) by some random scumbag isn't uncommon. They're all over the place. Even the roads are covered with them lately (boy-racers are scumbags with wheels imo).

Society has revolutionised, but so has crime sadly.

Involuntary year in the army looks really good to me tbh.

Faithless

Sadly our authorities are far too busy eating snack boxes, checking seat belts, tax and insurance on cars and sitting in a squad car all day to block a street with a small non-tarred piece of road to make sure nobody goes down (God forbid) than use manpower to get the scum off our streets. I mean, why wasn't a road sign put up?? (Yes, I seen this actually happening)...furthermore, what a total waste of tax-payers money.

RMD

ladybirdirl wrote: »

Mods not sure if this is the best place for this,feel free to move.

So at the weekend had this odd experience which makes me wonder what this town we call Dublin is coming to.

I was out for the evening,came in & was sitting at home in SoCoDub working on my laptop. I've had a few drinks & I'm thinking probably time to go to bed around 2am. Look out my front window & see this person leaning on my car.

Off out I trot(in my slippers,maybe not the best option) to tell this scumbag to get AWAY from my car.

When I got out, it turns out it was a 16 year old young fella who is bleeding, moaning & generally in a bad way.
What was I to do, I brought him into my house,called the guards & an ambo.

He was mortified poor chap, the guards were less than sympathetic & the ambo carted him off.

As far as I could gather he was at some party, he's walking home across the green in front of my house & he gets hopped on, literally minutes from home. Phone is gone,cash is gone, hoodie is gone(presume it was A&F;)) & he has a fat lip,a shiner, lots of cuts & scrapes & I heard later a cracked rib & concussion.

Is this what young guys can expect on a night out? At 16?

Maybe I'm just mad but I can't understand the point of hopping a young fella for a mobile & a few quid?
Is it sport or something to pick on young fellas?

Does this happen all the time? if it does I'm off back to Limerick:p;)

Some scumbags saw a drunk person, more than likely weaker than them walking through I'm assuming to be a dark area and he was on his own. All of these factors equate to an easy target.

This is nothing new, it's been happening for the last 3 decades. Scumbags walking around looking for easy cash, they hop an easy target, mug him and kick the ****e out of him to make sure he's scared of them.

major bill

The gards are part of the problem aswell. i got beat up at 17 and insted of taking me to hospital i was put in the back off a squad car and told i was gonna get two years for robbing a car even though i didnt one of the gards even said i was the person they seen.
These new recruits are bullys and tar every teenage/young lad as a scumbag. if thats the attitude of the man in power then what else to they expect from citizens if people/society are constantly treated like animals then people become animals!!!!

Gummy Panda

Well i avoided being attacked last night.

I was walking up Jervis st beside Smyths and Maplins after 11pm, with two lads from work. We see a group of drunk youths with cans walking towards us so we cross over to the other side. One of them starts walking in the middle of the road to crossover to us but his friends keep walking.

We got to the Cineworld and turn around to see them attacking two lads. I rang the Garda straight away. The Garda were quick to get a car there and I hope the scumbags got caught.

Lucky for one of the lads from work, that he offered us a lift home or he would have been walking up that street on his own :eek:

humberklog

jumpguy wrote: »

Poor education.



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Oh come come. Education is far better now than ever was in the state. Far more third level, far more staying for a the Leaving and higher points in the Inter now than before.

PCPhoto

Kipperhell wrote: »

The shootings are new and are at least partially a result of peace in the North

please inform me on how the shootings in Dublin are as a result of having peace in the North ????

FFS - its all down to scumbags breeding scumbags .... stop criminals from reproducing and you will (in time) irradicate scumbagish behaviour like this*

meh ! .... as for the 16yr old .... I blame the parents !!! (well past his bedtime - even if it wasnt a schoolnight)

Seriously though - parents are not allowed to discipline their own kids so kids become spoiled and crave attention....like most spoiled kids.

Next time someone threatens you at knifepoint ...offer them a hug !

Herb Powell

Kipperhell wrote: »

After I read the story of the events it appears the "innocent" young lad was involved in a car chase with people he was having a disagreement with. Terrible sad anybody got killed over the noise at a party but it sounds like there was thuggery on both sides as it was described on RTE.

"The death of former soldier Mr O'Connor was linked to a row among neighbours in The Beech apartment building at the Grattan Wood complex in Donaghmede, north Dublin.

A friend of Mr O'Connor, who lived in the complex, became annoyed over loud parties in an upstairs apartment.

When the noise levels rose again shortly after midnight on Saturday he called to the apartment to complain but the party apparently continued.

The man then contacted Mr O'Connor and other friends as he felt concerned about his safety.

Meanwhile the party upstairs continued even though at one stage fuses were removed from the fusebox in the complex.

A row then broke out and spilled over into the complex car park and then onto the road.

Some of those who had been involved in the argument, including Mr O'Connor, left the scene in two cars, a black Honda Civic and a silver Ford Focus.

The cars collided a short distance away at Hole in the Wall Road in Donaghmede and Mr O'Connor was stabbed in the chest with the long-bladed kitchen knife."

As for some guy getting beaten up at 16 walking through a park it is nothing new or unique to Dublin/any suburban environment.

The shootings are new and are at least partially a result of peace in the North

15Pete

Sterilise repeat offenders of violent crime and rid us of their inhumane offspring within a couple of generations! S0crates genuinely believes he is a better person than someone who walks around wearing tracksuits, drinking cans in public and assaulting members of the public.
Crimes like that should carry mandatory 10 year sentences.

jumpguy

humberklog wrote:

Oh come come. Education is far better now than ever was in the state. Far more third level, far more staying for a the Leaving and higher points in the Inter now than before.

That's true, however it still depends alot on money in many areas, and there are far too many "socially disadvantaged" schools.

edvedfan

My Dad was dropping me into town at about eleven Saturday night, and there were about ten young guys all about fifteen to nineteen fighting in the middle of the street.

My Dad, being the gentleman he is, beeped and waited patiently for like a minute until they came over and started banging on the car shouting whats your problem, so he started getting out of the car and they ran away. The guards came about ten minutes later :rolleyes:

Like they were proper fighting, giving it loads on the middle of the road but kinda stopped when cars came, just stood there looking around when the car approached them.

It's definitely not just limited to Dublin, although i am in college in Dublin and have never seen a fight on the street, luckily enough!

major bill

PCPhoto wrote: »

please inform me on how the shootings in Dublin are as a result of having peace in the North ????

FFS - its all down to scumbags breeding scumbags .... stop criminals from reproducing and you will (in time) irradicate scumbagish behavious like this*

meh ! .... as for the 16yr old .... I blame the parents !!! (well past his bedtime - even if it wasnt a schoolnight)

Seriously though - parents are not allowed to discipline their own kids so kids become spoiled and crave attention....like most spoiled kids.

Next time someone threatens you at knifepoint ...offer them a hug !

he has a point!!! when the ira were behind people in tallaght and other areas affected by drugs a lot of these dealers were ****ed out of their home. so with peace in the north and the disbanding of the ira people have no one to back them up, as a result dealers are grown bigger and stronger and fearless so will shoot anyone that gets in there way.There was always shootings but none on this scale.also some members have gone into training these gangsters on how to make bombs and all.

irishdub14

Im 16 and its never happened to me or my mates..... or anything like it. But unfortunately there are scumbags who would do that. It really depends on where you live. Every city has problems, London/Paris have huge problems with teenagers and knives........

Pride Fighter

We need Charles Bronsons help IMO.

stovelid

ladybirdirl wrote: »

Does this happen all the time? if it does I'm off back to Limerick:p;)

Bye now.

marcsignal

jumpguy wrote: »

Drugs and Drink.

I agree, cocaine specifically, is destroying a whole generation, and as most kids dont smoke cigarettes these days, cocaine is their first drug experience, as opposed to having a toke from a joint.
It's a psychiatric time bomb waiting to go off.

jumpguy wrote: »

Involuntary year in the army looks really good to me tbh.

It would seem like a good idea, but only works for some. The Military is a serious state body, not a grooming service for petulant little scumbags.

Long sentences for coke dealers, and actual sentences for petulant little scumbags, would be a step in the right direction.

Interesting findings about Buckfast Tonic Wine here
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0118/buckfast.html

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genericguy

jumpguy wrote: »

Boredom & loitering.

Drugs and Drink.

Poor education.

these aren't excuses. some people are just cnuts.

Rented Mule

marcsignal wrote: »

I agree, cocaine specifically, is destroying a whole generation, and as most kids dont smoke cigarettes these days, cocaine is their first drug experience, as opposed to having a toke from a joint.
It's a psychiatric time bomb waiting to go off.
.

The other problem is that you are lucky if there is actually any cocaine in your cocaine. By the time it gets to these kids it's been cut a dozen times with god knows what.

OutlawPete

I'm tired of reading threads saying Dublin and the Country is getting more this and more that.

I'm in my 30's and I can tell you for certain that Dublin was just as rough if not rougher in the 80's. I seen far more street fights, pub glassings etc back then than I even hear about now.

The only reason people think its worse today is because if have so many media outlets that have to print story after story and also because of sites like Boards were people can communicate their experiences far easier.

Bazzy

No one's blamed the brits yet whats going on?

PCPhoto

Pride Fighter wrote: »

We need Charles Bronsons help IMO.

Fúck yer Charles Bronson....... we neeeeeed



Chuck Norris !!

Saibh

PCPhoto wrote: »

Fúck yer Charles Bronson....... we neeeeeed



Chuck Norris !!

The Citizen is keeping quiet these days

thinks too much

If anyone wants to seee the real reason why crime is getting worse then head down to the new courts of criminal justice at parkgate street and watch the offenders being dealt with. udges are far too leanient. Prison sentences are getting shorter with each passing year. Prison in this country is a joke. I actually heard a guy tell the judge today that he wanted to go to prison as he needed a break. I kid you not on this. The judge spent a half an hour trying to persuade him that there was an alternative but the guy sais no way he wanted to go to jail. Eventually the judge conceeded and off to jail he went. So if you have guys looking to go to jail for a break it just goes to show how good they have it in there...

Procasinator

This happens in Limerick too - at least it happened to me, while sober, barely 10, and in a public place. For no reason. Wasn't even mugged. Just some ****s wanting to fight.

While I don't think crime has escalated hugely in this sense, one thing I do think is the reasons violence is happening has.

While before people got into fights because of alcohol and all the messy situations it causes, from what I can see these days a load of scum - often under the age of 18 - just causing trouble for ****s and giggles.

These scum also never get any punishment, and know they get away with almost murder before they have any repercussions.

Saying that, maybe it was always like this.

CrazyRabbit

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Point out where I said he deserved it,please.
I said he can expect it.

Everyone expects to be able to walk around in safety without having to worry about being seriously injured and mugged. Age, time of day and alcohol consumption makes absolutely no difference to that.

Dudess

Some kid was assaulted late at night - happens all over the world, always has done. This one incident you speak of, OP, does not lead me to the conclusion that Dublin's deteriorating, and I'll continue to feel safe whenever I'm up there.

OutlawPete wrote: »

I'm tired of reading threads saying Dublin and the Country is getting more this and more that..

By people whose average age is 21... but want to sound 70.

sock puppet

marcsignal wrote: »

I agree, cocaine specifically, is destroying a whole generation, and as most kids dont smoke cigarettes these days, cocaine is their first drug experience, as opposed to having a toke from a joint.
It's a psychiatric time bomb waiting to go off.



.

Are you sure about that? Almost everyone I know smoked weed before doing any harder drugs (if they did harder drugs at all).

marcsignal

OutlawPete wrote: »

I'm in my 30's and I can tell you for certain that Dublin was just as rough if not rougher in the 80's. I seen far more street fights, pub glassings etc back then than I even hear about now.

Ummm, I can only partially agree there OutlawPete, i'm in my early 40's and drank in town every weekend from the mid 80's. Getting grief walking home, in my experience, was the exception rather than the rule. Pub fights, when they happened, did seem to be chaotic, because there was little pub security, most pubs in town had only 1, or at most, 2 doormen, who stayed on the door all night and rarely came inside. Also, fights, in general were easier to break up and defuse, and I can't remember ever seeing 10 guys kicking the living shit out of 1 guy lying on the ground, even the Stephens Green 'Scum Punks' (as they were known) rarely did anything like that. Fights happened with fists, not with knives or guns, and when they were over, they were over.

80's society was dog rough because of the recession, but we've had horrific crime happening here all through the Celtic Tiger, when we never had it better. It only worries me now how much worse it will get as we're plunging back into bad times again. That pressure can play on peoples nerves, and mood as a whole, and now, with cutbacks, the system will have fewer resources to fight it. In my honest opinion, I think people and society seem to be becoming more selfish, violent, vicious, and downright heartless. It's all becoming more and more "I'm ok.. Fuck you!" sadly.

OutlawPete wrote: »

The only reason people think its worse today is because if have so many media outlets that have to print story after story and also because of sites like Boards were people can communicate their experiences far easier.

well that's true, and has to be taken into account, back then there was no web, no mobiles (to video agro), and no twitter/facebook/youtube to upload these vids for all to see, and people seem to have a morbid fascination with consuming real life violence through this media, they can't get enough of it.

.

MaybeLogic

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Every expects to be able to walk around in safety without having to worry about being seriously injured and mugged. Age, time of day and alcohol consumption makes absolutely no difference to that.

In a perfect society,yes,everybody should have that expectation.

electrogrimey

Vaguely similar thing happened to my mate there on Saturday night. He was in Crawdaddy, and afterwards started walking down Harcourt St. He was pretty drunk, and tripped over. When he was trying to get up, someone ran up, kicked him in the head, and ran off. He was woken up a while later by guards on the street, with no idea what happened. They rang him the next day and told him someone on the street had reported what happened, that's the only reason he knows.