What is Dublin becoming...

We need Charles Bronsons help IMO.

jumpguy wrote: »

Drugs and Drink.

I agree, cocaine specifically, is destroying a whole generation, and as most kids dont smoke cigarettes these days, cocaine is their first drug experience, as opposed to having a toke from a joint.
It's a psychiatric time bomb waiting to go off.

jumpguy wrote: »

Involuntary year in the army looks really good to me tbh.

It would seem like a good idea, but only works for some. The Military is a serious state body, not a grooming service for petulant little scumbags.

Long sentences for coke dealers, and actual sentences for petulant little scumbags, would be a step in the right direction.

Interesting findings about Buckfast Tonic Wine here
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0118/buckfast.html

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marcsignal wrote: »

I agree, cocaine specifically, is destroying a whole generation, and as most kids dont smoke cigarettes these days, cocaine is their first drug experience, as opposed to having a toke from a joint.
It's a psychiatric time bomb waiting to go off.
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The other problem is that you are lucky if there is actually any cocaine in your cocaine. By the time it gets to these kids it's been cut a dozen times with god knows what.

No one's blamed the brits yet whats going on?

This happens in Limerick too - at least it happened to me, while sober, barely 10, and in a public place. For no reason. Wasn't even mugged. Just some ****s wanting to fight.

While I don't think crime has escalated hugely in this sense, one thing I do think is the reasons violence is happening has.

While before people got into fights because of alcohol and all the messy situations it causes, from what I can see these days a load of scum - often under the age of 18 - just causing trouble for ****s and giggles.

These scum also never get any punishment, and know they get away with almost murder before they have any repercussions.

Saying that, maybe it was always like this.

OutlawPete wrote: »

I'm in my 30's and I can tell you for certain that Dublin was just as rough if not rougher in the 80's. I seen far more street fights, pub glassings etc back then than I even hear about now.

Ummm, I can only partially agree there OutlawPete, i'm in my early 40's and drank in town every weekend from the mid 80's. Getting grief walking home, in my experience, was the exception rather than the rule. Pub fights, when they happened, did seem to be chaotic, because there was little pub security, most pubs in town had only 1, or at most, 2 doormen, who stayed on the door all night and rarely came inside. Also, fights, in general were easier to break up and defuse, and I can't remember ever seeing 10 guys kicking the living shit out of 1 guy lying on the ground, even the Stephens Green 'Scum Punks' (as they were known) rarely did anything like that. Fights happened with fists, not with knives or guns, and when they were over, they were over.

80's society was dog rough because of the recession, but we've had horrific crime happening here all through the Celtic Tiger, when we never had it better. It only worries me now how much worse it will get as we're plunging back into bad times again. That pressure can play on peoples nerves, and mood as a whole, and now, with cutbacks, the system will have fewer resources to fight it. In my honest opinion, I think people and society seem to be becoming more selfish, violent, vicious, and downright heartless. It's all becoming more and more "I'm ok.. Fuck you!" sadly.

OutlawPete wrote: »

The only reason people think its worse today is because if have so many media outlets that have to print story after story and also because of sites like Boards were people can communicate their experiences far easier.

well that's true, and has to be taken into account, back then there was no web, no mobiles (to video agro), and no twitter/facebook/youtube to upload these vids for all to see, and people seem to have a morbid fascination with consuming real life violence through this media, they can't get enough of it.

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Vaguely similar thing happened to my mate there on Saturday night. He was in Crawdaddy, and afterwards started walking down Harcourt St. He was pretty drunk, and tripped over. When he was trying to get up, someone ran up, kicked him in the head, and ran off. He was woken up a while later by guards on the street, with no idea what happened. They rang him the next day and told him someone on the street had reported what happened, that's the only reason he knows.

marcsignal wrote: »

pretty sure, I wen't back to college in 03 as a mature student, and was shocked at how many of my college mates (guys and girls in their late teens and early 20's) were dabbling in coke, having never smoked, in fact i was regarded as a bit of an old hippie because I prefered a toke to a line. I've gotten the same feedback from my own nieces and nephews of drinking age. Not saying its always the case, but i found it pretty prevalent myself.

Hmm. I'm not denying a lot of people do coke. I'm just surprised so few people have smoked weed before it. I see the attraction though. I mean you're hardly going to be bringing a bag of weed into a club.

super_furry wrote: »

Spot on. Crime in the 80s was much, much worse than it is now with the heroin epicidemic and joyriding, but there was no Liveline/After Hours for everyone to moan to. Even in the early 90s when I was working as a loungeboy in my local you'd see the kind of things that would make the newspapers now, pretty much every weekend.

Well, i agree to a point, but things like the herion epidemic and joyriding were a new blight on society, and for a time it was out of control. Cars were easier to steal, and the drug squad was seriously under funded and manned. Now, despite the fact we have better car security, and a better funded and trained drug squad, these problems are still there.

Herion is still readily available everywhere, even in small midland towns. That was unheard of in the 80's. Now we have guns in the mix, that was a rarity in the 80's. Gangland crime was only in it's infancy, now there are gangs taking pot shots at each other all over the place.

Don't get me wrong, the 80's was no utopia, not by any means, but now, if you say the wrong thing to someone in a pub, or on the street, I honestly believe it's more likely to end in your serious injury or death, than it did back then. These days, every little street hoodlum thinks he's Al Pacino, and is more likely to act accordingly, while it's snowing up his nose.

sock puppet wrote: »

Hmm. I'm not denying a lot of people do coke. I'm just surprised so few people have smoked weed before it. I see the attraction though. I mean you're hardly going to be bringing a bag of weed into a club.

well yeah, good point, the coke came hand in hand with the club culture. I did notice though, when coke began to replace pills, peoples attitudes followed suit. When there were pills about, getting through a crowded club wasn't really a problem, people were in an up-beat friendly mood, since coke took over people have gotten a 'Get the fuck out of my airspace:mad:" attitude.