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Longford Cathedral on fire

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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    i am shocked at how bad the inside is.:eek: i didnt realise so much damage had been caused, i see in some of the pics posted that some of the statues seem to be ok, i can see now why the bishop was talking as if the pillars would be removed, but still i think they should be rebuilt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


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  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭LuvSpudz


    So very sad.

    My wife's parents were over this christmas and we actually went to the midnight mass the night before. Got up the next day to go in for the christmas day mass and didn't know what was happening when main street was blocked off. Couldn't believe it when we found out what happened.

    I have heard that they are planning on using one of the empty warehouses in Longford (take your pick says you!) to host mass for the time being as the temperance hall won't hold the numbers required.

    On another note regarding the structure of the building, I noticed that there is a sizable crack on the front above one of the main doors, was that a settlement crack or caused by the fire? If the latter it does bear the question of whether the structure is any way sound at all for bearing a load and if it would have to be pulled down altogether


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭gingernut79


    thats been there a good few years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0104/1224261595150.html

    Article in the Irish Times today by Peter Geoghegan
    ‘THE ONLY thing the town has had to be proud of is gone”. This terse comment, left on the internet forum Boards.ie, said it all: for the people of Longford, St Mel’s cathedral is not just a place of worship, it is an iconic landmark, a repository of history, and a symbol of the self-less devotion of an impoverished nation.
    Nevertheless, the fire that tore through St Mel’s on Christmas morning has eviscerated one of Ireland’s best known cathedrals and cast a shadow across the midlands market town in whose life it has been central for over 150 years.


    Like many in Longford, I was awoken on that morning not by the sound of excited children opening presents or family members enjoying Christmas breakfast but by the anxious voice of a neighbour. The call came just after 8am, by then St Mel’s had already been on fire for around three hours. Half asleep, I stood at the back window of my mother’s kitchen staring in horror as – less than a mile away – bright orange flames danced across the cruciform cathedral’s outstretched arms and thick black smoke bellowed into the sky. A few hours later, the building was still smouldering – the walls had survived the conflagration but almost everything inside was destroyed.
    Christmas Masses did take place in Longford, although in a nearby community centre, not the town’s magnificent neo-classical cathedral. Given that fire services were tackling the blaze throughout the morning, it was remarkable that the traditional ceremonies were held at all, but that they were speaks volumes for the indefatigable spirit that has characterised St Mel’s from its earliest days.


    St Mel’s cathedral was the brainchild of Bishop William O’Higgins, a native of Drumlish, in north Longford, and a fervent supporter of Daniel O’Connell and the Emancipation movement. Even after 1829, Catholics in the midlands continued to face persecution, strengthening O’Higgins’s resolve that the diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise needed its own purpose-built cathedral.


    Educated in Paris, O’Higgins found inspiration for his new cathedral in the City of Lights’ famous Madeleine cathedral, as well as the Pantheon and the Basilica of St John Lateran. On May 19th, 1840, more than 40,000 parishioners as well as clergy from a far afield as Australia and the United States were present as the foundation stone, which was taken from the ruined 8th-century cathedral of St Mel in Ardagh, Co Longford, was laid.


    It is impossible to overestimate the psychological import of St Mel’s cathedral for the people of Longford and surrounding counties, particularly in its early years. Longford in the middle of the 19th century was a poor market town, the majority of whose inhabitants lived in mud huts and thatched houses, but from the midst of this squalor the cathedral’s massive Doric pilasters began to rise. The local economy also benefited: most of the limestone used in the construction came from west Longford and Knockcroghery in Co Roscommon.


    Since opening in 1856 – building work was suspended during the famine – St Mel’s has housed practically every item of historical interest or significance in county Longford. As well as the 10th-century crozier of St Mel and various reliquaries, the Holy Family Altar, which had been rescued from a Roman church that was sacked during the Garibaldi campaign, was lost in the fire.


    I left Longford many years ago – had the tragic fire not happened during the holidays I probably would not have been around to witness it – but, like so many others, St Mel’s was a vital presence in my life. It was first and foremost a religious place – I made my communion and confirmation there, and celebrated countless births, marriages and deaths within its now fire ravaged walls – but my strongest memories of it are cultural: almost every trip home incorporated a pit-stop to admire the finest works of art in Longford, the remarkable Harry Clarke windows that adorned the cathedral.


    The stained glass, like so much else in St Mel’s, is irreplaceable, and the estimate of €2 million worth of damage quoted in the media has caused dismay on the streets of Longford. As one St Stephen’s Day reveller put it to me, “It will cost that much just to get the cathedral to the point where you can spend money repairing it.” The real cost of repairing St Mel’s is likely to run into eight figures, but in Longford town I found a genuine determination to see the cathedral rebuilt. History is on its side: in 1838 Bishop O’Higgins travelled to all 41 parishes of the diocese, raising £2,000 from ordinary people for the new cathedral.


    O’Higgins’s contemporaries have many difficult questions to answer but, for many in Longford and across the Midlands, restoring St Mel’s is about much more than religion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    news update from longford parish website...

    The life of the parish continues as far as is possible under the circumstances. All Masses continue at their normal times at the nearby Temperance Hall and at the other parish churches. In a few weeks all Masses from the Cathedral will re-locate to facilities at St. Mel’s College. Weekday Masses will take place in the College Chapel and weekend Masses will occur in the school gym. This re-location involves a lot of preparation and planning. On Tuesday 29 December members of the Pastoral Council, Parish Finance Committee and the Temperance Hall Committee came together at St. Mel’s College to prepare for this move which will see us based there for a number of years. We are liasing with the school, health and safety, and local authorities to facilitate a smooth transition. The generosity and dedication of all involved is extremely heartening and much work is ongoing to make our new place of worship an inviting home for our liturgies and sacraments. The Friends of St. Mel’s Cathedral restoration fund is now up and running to facilitate the many people who have contacted us wanting to contribute to the work of reinstating the original splendour of St. Mel’s Cathedral.
    At St. Mel’s Cathedral there is ongoing collaboration between the parish, diocese, the Gardaí, insurance company, loss adjusters, structural engineers, conservationists and other professionals to ensure that the building is made safe, forensically examined and as much heritage conserved as possible. This week has seen the arrival of Hegarty Demolition Ltd. who despite the name are here solely to secure the site and make the building safe for inspection. They are carrying out their work under the direction of the Gardaí and structural engineers. The next phase will see the forensic examination of the Cathedral to try and decipher where and how the fire began. After that is work is complete, the next task will be to recover those items which have survived the fire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Decipher? ...what an odd word to use.

    The college gym is most definitely adequete for the crowds. I can't help but think that it's going to involve quite a bit of logistics during school term, placing down the mats to protect the floor, bringing in and out the seating and other furniture for a mass etc etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 Economic


    Decipher? ...what an odd word to use.

    The college gym is most definitely adequete for the crowds. I can't help but think that it's going to involve quite a bit of logistics during school term, placing down the mats to protect the floor, bringing in and out the seating and other furniture for a mass etc etc.

    Whats so odd about the use of the word decifer?

    I'd imagine that once the furniture is moved in that'll be it, it won't be removed until the Cathedral is restored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭garfieldsghost


    Economic wrote: »
    Whats so odd about the use of the word decifer?

    I'd imagine that once the furniture is moved in that'll be it, it won't be removed until the Cathedral is restored.


    From what I've heard, the furniture will be removed during the week so that the students can continue to use it for PE classes and other indoor sporting activities. Not a difficult task if collapsable/stakable chairs, etc. are used.

    (And "decipher' is a word associated with making sense of jumbled-up words or a secret code ;))


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Economic wrote: »
    Whats so odd about the use of the word decifer?

    I'd imagine that once the furniture is moved in that'll be it, it won't be removed until the Cathedral is restored.

    Well it doesn't seem like the most apt word to use when you're talking about discovering or investigating the cause of a fire.

    Decipher
    # To decode or decrypt a code or cipher to plain text.
    # To read text that is almost illegible or obscure.

    or
    1. to determine the meaning of (something obscure or illegible)
    2. (Electronics & Computer Science / Communications & Information) to convert from code into plain text; decode


    Back on topic, if all the furniture was to be moved into the college gym and not moved out again then what will the 600+ students do for P.E. class or for the Junior/Leaving Cert? I'm pretty sure there's nowhere else in the college they could hold these things...


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 sonoftony


    whats wrong with the chapel in the convent, its far bigger than the one in mels, the sisters of mercy arent being too charitable are they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭gingernut79


    I wonder will the relocation do anything for the bonkers parking that used to go on around Sunday Mass times.

    Thanks for the photos whoever posted them. Its amazing to see what its like inside.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    sonoftony wrote: »
    whats wrong with the chapel in the convent, its far bigger than the one in mels, the sisters of mercy arent being too charitable are they?

    does it matter where the masses are said? this thread wasnt set up to debate who is charitable or who isnt... prehaps the facilities at st mels are more suitable and i know the priest wanted masses kept as near to st mels cathedral as possible. I know that people due to get married on the cathedral are being offered other churches for their day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    does it matter where the masses are said? this thread wasnt set up to debate who is charitable or who isnt... prehaps the facilities at st mels are more suitable and i know the priest wanted masses kept as near to st mels cathedral as possible. I know that people due to get married on the cathedral are being offered other churches for their day.

    No need to back seat moderate, we're free to speculate as to which would be the more suitable venue. I believe the Convent's church may even be closer to the Cathedral than the one in St Mel's College. That said, the parking would still be a nightmare if it moved to the Convent. At least there's a grand bit of room to park in Mels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    it's more a case of the diocese owning the college, and not the convent.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23 sonoftony


    does it matter where the masses are said? this thread wasnt set up to debate who is charitable or who isnt... prehaps the facilities at st mels are more suitable and i know the priest wanted masses kept as near to st mels cathedral as possible. I know that people due to get married on the cathedral are being offered other churches for their day.
    :rolleyes: touchy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    it's more a case of the diocese owning the college, and not the convent.

    I don't see any problem with using the gymnasium in the College as long as it doesn't impinge on the running of the school or the availability of its facilities for use for sport. I can't see that happening though. If the Temperance hall wasn't big enough it would be a logistical nightmare to set up and dismantle the gym every weekend. Could the Study hall not be used or one of the many idle business premises/warehouses around the town?

    I can't say I really like the idea of the school being used at all, it gives people a ligitimate excuse to be around the school when they could be up to no good. Have they forgotten about that lunatic that burst into one of the classrooms and threatened one of the students?


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    sonoftony wrote: »
    :rolleyes: touchy

    prehaps i am touchy as you say, but i feel that this thread can become more about who is doing what and whos to blame, rather than on the cathedral fire, we are all entitled to our opinions and the right to free speech! :P sorry.
    its really irrelevant where masses are said, and i personnally feel that neither the convent or mels college are suitable venues, especially during a school day. I think its ridicilous to prepare the sports hall on saturday for mass at 7.30pm and reverse it back to a school on after 1pm mass on sunday. People are charitable now and willing to help as its fresh in people's minds but what about a year from now will people still give up their time to help? also i think its going to cause confusion, people will turn up at the temperance hall for mass on sat/sun and there wont be one. there will be distruption to school classes, and what about funerals?
    the rebuilding of st mels cathedral is going to take several years, why couldnt some where more suitable to found? somewhere that could cater for all the duties that the cathedral could? daily masses, baptisms, funerals, weddings, communions, confirmations, etc? i personally cant see the use of st mels college been a success.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    the good news is the guarda have today began their investigation into the cause of the fire. there are stained glass workmen on site today too, i think its the same stained glass company that refurbished the windows in the past.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 sonoftony


    prehaps i am touchy as you say, but i feel that this thread can become more about who is doing what and whos to blame, rather than on the cathedral fire, we are all entitled to our opinions and the right to free speech! :P sorry.
    its really irrelevant where masses are said, and i personnally feel that neither the convent or mels college are suitable venues, especially during a school day. I think its ridicilous to prepare the sports hall on saturday for mass at 7.30pm and reverse it back to a school on after 1pm mass on sunday. People are charitable now and willing to help as its fresh in people's minds but what about a year from now will people still give up their time to help? also i think its going to cause confusion, people will turn up at the temperance hall for mass on sat/sun and there wont be one. there will be distruption to school classes, and what about funerals?
    the rebuilding of st mels cathedral is going to take several years, why couldnt some where more suitable to found? somewhere that could cater for all the duties that the cathedral could? daily masses, baptisms, funerals, weddings, communions, confirmations, etc? i personally cant see the use of st mels college been a success.
    oh right, i get it now, its ok for you to go off topic ,(like whenyou were talking about the ryan report in a thread about the cathderal burning), but jump down the neck of anyone else who dares go slightly off topic:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭Keen2win


    From what I've heard, the furniture will be removed during the week so that the students can continue to use it for PE classes and other indoor sporting activities. Not a difficult task if collapsable/stakable chairs, etc. are used.

    (And "decipher' is a word associated with making sense of jumbled-up words or a secret code ;))

    Hopefully! I still want my P.E., it's too cold to go outside! What sort of crowds would go to the cathedral for Sunday mass? Hardly 1000? The gym would seat 600ish comfortably, I would say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 sonoftony


    Keen2win wrote: »
    Hopefully! I still want my P.E., it's too cold to go outside! What sort of crowds would go to the cathedral for Sunday mass? Hardly 1000? The gym would seat 600ish comfortably, I would say.
    i was at one o clock mass last sunday in the temperance hall, it was jammed,the hall holds about three or four hundred, and there was another fifty or so in the small room at the front and the halls/stairs


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 sonoftony


    anybody see the picture in todays longford leader, very graphic and shows the true scale of the damage:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭coldwood92


    ianwalsh2 wrote: »
    25122009040.jpg oh christ
    I hope it can be repaired


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    sonoftony wrote: »
    oh right, i get it now, its ok for you to go off topic ,(like whenyou were talking about the ryan report in a thread about the cathderal burning), but jump down the neck of anyone else who dares go slightly off topic:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


    my talking of the ryan report was in response to some of the stuff wrote here, i have not even read the ryan report. lets be nice to each other now?:D
    and in response to your quote about the picture in the longford leader it is pretty graphic and give an idea of the amount of work that has to be done to restore it.:eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 sonoftony


    my talking of the ryan report was in response to some of the stuff wrote here, i have not even read the ryan report. lets be nice to each other now?:D
    and in response to your quote about the picture in the longford leader it is pretty graphic and give an idea of the amount of work that has to be done to restore it.:eek:
    ok ok :D ,the price has gone up to 20 million as well i see :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    sonoftony wrote: »
    ok ok :D ,the price has gone up to 20 million as well i see :eek:

    The last time i passed through Longford there was still a huge finished yet unopened shopping centre with a multistory car park. Could the masses etc be relocated to there on a temporary basis. Plenty of parking!


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    Gardaí rule out arson in cathedral fire probe
    Friday, 8 January 2010 17:54
    Gardaí in Longford say that a forensic examination of the burnt out remains of St Mel's Cathedral have now been completed.

    They are satisfied that there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding the blaze that destroyed the 19th century cathedral on Christmas Day.

    Inspector Joe McLoughlin said members of the technical bureau and the local scenes of crime division had removed various items from the cathedral for examination.

    AdvertisementEngineers and insurance assessors have also completed their initial inquiries.

    Their main suspicions as to the cause of the fire are focused on the boiler area at the back of the cathedral.
    rte website


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭garfieldsghost


    Gardaí rule out arson in cathedral fire probe
    Friday, 8 January 2010 17:54
    Gardaí in Longford say that a forensic examination of the burnt out remains of St Mel's Cathedral have now been completed.

    They are satisfied that there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding the blaze that destroyed the 19th century cathedral on Christmas Day.

    Inspector Joe McLoughlin said members of the technical bureau and the local scenes of crime division had removed various items from the cathedral for examination.

    AdvertisementEngineers and insurance assessors have also completed their initial inquiries.

    Their main suspicions as to the cause of the fire are focused on the boiler area at the back of the cathedral.
    rte website

    As I suspected. Now, what are the chances of all the consiracy theorists retracting their (sometimes ridiculous) remarks?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    As I suspected. Now, what are the chances of all the consiracy theorists retracting their (sometimes ridiculous) remarks?

    Some were a little ridiculous, many werent but why should anyone retract speculation on a chat forum?
    You just stated yourself that you only had a 'suspicion'. So you werent 100% sure yourself. If you were wrong would you be retracting remarks you were entitled to make?
    The retributionary arson theory was anything but ridiculous. A lot of folk are rightly angry about many aspects of the catholic church and if justice isnt seen to be done, and so far it hasnt, there will be inevitable consequences.
    I hope there isnt and dont begin to condone it but I just have my fears.:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭garfieldsghost


    Some were a little ridiculous, many werent but why should anyone retract speculation on a chat forum?
    You just stated yourself that you only had a 'suspicion'. So you werent 100% sure yourself. If you were wrong would you be retracting remarks you were entitled to make?
    The retributionary arson theory was anything but ridiculous. A lot of folk are rightly angry about many aspects of the catholic church and if justice isnt seen to be done, and so far it hasnt, there will be inevitable consequences.
    I hope there isnt and dont begin to condone it but I just have my fears.:(

    Exactly, I said "suspicion" because I wasn't about to jump the gun and claim to know to what the cause was. But there was also a huge amount of rubbish spewed out by a number of posters who weren't interested in taking all possible causes into consideration (some were blatantly trolling), preferring instead to jump to conclusions simply because the building in question happended to be a church. Just look back over the thread and you'll see that for yourself.

    Nowhere in my post - or in any of my my previous contributions to this discussion - did I say that the arson theory itself was ridiculous, so don't be putting words in my mouth. A number of individuals expressed concern that it may have been arson and that's completely understandable. What I was saying was that the contributions of certain people to this discussion was ridiculous and I stand by that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    now that the investigation is focusing on the boiler, i wonder what graces7 and the other conspiracy theorists will say? dodgy oil?
    i just tried to read through the thread again. graces7 is writing a book, and giving the proceeds to charity. i'm sure that's how the house of prayer in achill advertised itself. jaysis, some of the posts were like reading the ultra stuff that you find in the Alive paper.
    in the sun a couple of days ago there was a story saying that Mel Gibson had turned down the bishop's plea for help. mental. especially since the bishop was asked something like 'what would you say if Mel Gibson wanted to contribute to the repair?' and his answer was a bland 'well, if he wanted to contribute it'd be as welcome as any other donation'. those lads in the sun know how to twist a few words!
    anyway, good to see work can get started on the Cathedral now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    good news is that they hope to be able to restore the harry clarke stained glass windows and they have been removed from the cathedral, also they have found a bell from offaly and a 13th century crozier from the museumn in the cathedral and hope to find more.!! there is an interview with fr tom healy on longfordleader.ie!


  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭Shewhomustbe...


    It is.

    Yes it is. People are more than aware that the Church is not short a penny or two and I don't think most people nowadays can be emotionally blackmailed like before into handing over nearly every penny they have to fund the building or reconstruction of a chruch/cathedral because it'll win them brownie points in the eyes of 'God'.
    Why doesn't God reconstruct it with his magical powers eh?
    I'm sure if he wanted to he could.

    I think it would be great boost for the town/county that the building be restored and it was good to read that the cause was not arson, but I will stand firm that I do not think members of the congregation should pay for it. I absolutely understand people's emotional/spiritual connection to the building but as mentioned already it had to be insured.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭MDFM


    Yes it is. People are more than aware that the Church is not short a penny or two and I don't think most people nowadays can be emotionally blackmailed like before into handing over nearly every penny they have to fund the building or reconstruction of a chruch/cathedral because it'll win them brownie points in the eyes of 'God'.

    I'm sure if he wanted to he could.

    I think it would be great boost for the town/county that the building be restored and it was good to read that the cause was not arson, but I will stand firm that I do not think members of the congregation should pay for it. I absolutely understand people's emotional/spiritual connection to the building but as mentioned already it had to be insured.

    How hard is it to understand the following??

    1. The cathedral is insured - the insurance is there to cover the rebuild and will do so.
    2. No one has being asked to dig deep into their pockets to fund the restoration. I understand there is a restoration fund, but we are not being forced into contributing to it. If we wish to contribute, then that is our own choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭silver campaign


    Exactly,

    As MDFM said, nobody is being asked or forced to contribute to the restoration.
    If people want to contribute, they can do so. I know I will contribute something.

    To anyone reading this who isn't from the locality, you have to understand, as Peter Geoghegan said in his piece in the times, this isn't just about religion, it means a lot more to the people here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭tarmon


    I hope that they put in a good smoke/fire detection system when they rebuild the Cathedral. I wonder was there any type of monitored system in the building prior to the fire? Such an important building housing priceless artifacts should have been equipped with a monitored alarm system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭Shewhomustbe...


    MDFM wrote: »
    How hard is it to understand the following??

    1. The cathedral is insured - the insurance is there to cover the rebuild and will do so.
    2. No one has being asked to dig deep into their pockets to fund the restoration. I understand there is a restoration fund, but we are not being forced into contributing to it. If we wish to contribute, then that is our own choice.

    IT IS NOT DIFFICULT AT ALL.

    If no one is being 'asked' or 'forced' to contribute why would there be a restoration fund?
    I appreciate that it is an individuals choice whether they wish to contribute but if insurance is covering all the costs would no-one be curious to know where their contribution goes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭MDFM


    IT IS NOT DIFFICULT AT ALL.

    If no one is being 'asked' or 'forced' to contribute why would there be a restoration fund?
    I appreciate that it is an individuals choice whether they wish to contribute but if insurance is covering all the costs would no-one be curious to know where their contribution goes?

    you still fail to understand..
    why?? why, because there are people out there whom out the goodness of their hearts they would like to contribute, because it means something to them, every little helps and why not? i've already contributed, only a small amount, but it means something to me, and unlike you, i don't feel the need to over analyse the need why i've contributed..its just something i wanted to do.
    if you are in doubt as to where the contributions are going then why not knock on the door of the prespretry (not sure how its spelt) and question the priests there..maybe they'll give u the answer to the questions you need answered.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭Shewhomustbe...


    MDFM wrote: »
    you still fail to understand..
    why?? why, because there are people out there whom out the goodness of their hearts they would like to contribute, because it means something to them, every little helps and why not? i've already contributed, only a small amount, but it means something to me, and unlike you, i don't feel the need to over analyse the need why i've contributed..its just something i wanted to do.
    if you are in doubt as to where the contributions are going then why not knock on the door of the prespretry (not sure how its spelt) and question the priests there..maybe they'll give u the answer to the questions you need answered.

    The goodness of people is not something I fail to understand, nor the fact the building meant/means something to them. What I seem to be failing to understand is people contributing to a fund that is by all accounts unnecessary thanks to insurance. If people feel the need to contribute to something why not do so to this fund instead, http://www.redcross.ie/help/donate_floods.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭MDFM


    The goodness of people is not something I fail to understand, nor the fact the building meant/means something to them. What I seem to be failing to understand is people contributing to a fund that is by all accounts unnecessary thanks to insurance. If people feel the need to contribute to something why not do so to this fund instead, http://www.redcross.ie/help/donate_floods.php
    and i'm sure people have donated to the red cross and will continue to do so..that is a separate issue
    People as a rule tend to donate to a cause that they feel is close to their heart...and in the case of the cathedral we like to feel our contributions will help in some way to rebuild it as its part of our community. Its no big deal really. why question people's heartfelt need to donate to something they feel close to?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    MDFM wrote: »
    you still fail to understand..
    why?? why, because there are people out there whom out the goodness of their hearts they would like to contribute, because it means something to them, every little helps and why not? i've already contributed, only a small amount, but it means something to me, and unlike you, i don't feel the need to over analyse the need why i've contributed..its just something i wanted to do.
    if you are in doubt as to where the contributions are going then why not knock on the door of the prespretry (not sure how its spelt) and question the priests there..maybe they'll give u the answer to the questions you need answered.

    To be quite frank The Irish Catholic Church dont have a wonderful track record in respect to how they handle diocesen funds or on how they respond to straight questions. Canon law, in their eyes, supercedes common law. That said I still do understand why folk would like to contribute. Perhaps if a nonreligious / non Church group were to take responsibility for funds folk may be a bit more confident. A historical or architectural group perhaps.
    Personally I wouldnt trust the irish catholic church as far as I can throw them


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    the people of Longford felt a deep sense of loss on christmas morning, and every time we pass the once beautiful and well lit cathedral we feel that loss once again, all the Longford people want is to have their cathedral restored as soon as is possible. Like mdfm has said no one has been asked to contribute to the restoration fund and we all know that the cathedral is insured but we still feel the need to contribute something no matter how small to help rebuild it. the families in Longford have many connections with the cathedral, whether its a baptism, wedding, communion, confirmation, funeral or just lighting a candle and this leaves us wanting to give something back. i am not a very religious person, i lost my way as they say, after my brother became ill and died however i still feel a deep loss of the cathedral as his funeral mass was held there and the priests were tremendous to support to us at that time and even now. as i sat in the temperance hall on christmas morning for mass, i longed to be able to go to the cathedral having not realized what we had until it was gone and as the people at that mass cried i knew everything possible needed to be done to rebuild the cathedral even thinking during mass that i would have no hesitation in giving my christmas bonus (which was 200e) to the restoration fund that wasnt even mentioned at that time. sorry for rambling!
    also the possible reason for the restoartion fund to be set up could be somewhere safe for people to put their donation in rather than hand or post it to the bishop as many people were doing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    the people of Longford felt a deep sense of loss on christmas morning, and every time we pass the once beautiful and well lit cathedral we feel that loss once again, all the Longford people want is to have their cathedral restored as soon as is possible. Like mdfm has said no one has been asked to contribute to the restoration fund and we all know that the cathedral is insured but we still feel the need to contribute something no matter how small to help rebuild it. the families in Longford have many connections with the cathedral, whether its a baptism, wedding, communion, confirmation, funeral or just lighting a candle and this leaves us wanting to give something back. i am not a very religious person, i lost my way as they say, after my brother became ill and died however i still feel a deep loss of the cathedral as his funeral mass was held there and the priests were tremendous to support to us at that time and even now. as i sat in the temperance hall on christmas morning for mass, i longed to be able to go to the cathedral having not realized what we had until it was gone and as the people at that mass cried i knew everything possible needed to be done to rebuild the cathedral even thinking during mass that i would have no hesitation in giving my christmas bonus (which was 200e) to the restoration fund that wasnt even mentioned at that time. sorry for rambling!
    also the possible reason for the restoartion fund to be set up could be somewhere safe for people to put their donation in rather than hand or post it to the bishop as many people were doing.
    Handing cash directly to the bishop is perhaps not the wisest course of action. I know little about the bishop but I definately think that a proper trust fund is the way forward. That course of action exposes the Bishop to all sorts of possible malicious mischief!
    Ask any club treasurer or cash handler and they will tell you how handling of cash can come back to bite you on the bum if not 100% accounted for!
    Now call me pedantic too but i keep reading about "all the people of Longford" etc. I know a good many folk, Longford natives and blow-ins, who, though not rejoicing about the fire are not exactly grief stricken either. They are also not enthused about the sum of money involved in restoring St Mels. They are not horned demons or anarchistic athiests either. You would be surprised about the walks of life they come from.
    Whether I am one of them or not I wont divulge as it is irrelevant


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    Handing cash directly to the bishop is perhaps not the wisest course of action. I know little about the bishop but I definately think that a proper trust fund is the way forward. That course of action exposes the Bishop to all sorts of possible malicious mischief!
    Ask any club treasurer or cash handler and they will tell you how handling of cash can come back to bite you on the bum if not 100% accounted for!
    I could be wrong but i would say this is the reason the restoration fund was set up....Not to get people to contribute or ask them for money, but as so many people were handing and posting money to the priest and bishop it was probably the best way to ensure no money went astry!:)
    Now call me pedantic too but i keep reading about "all the people of Longford" etc. I know a good many folk, Longford natives and blow-ins, who, though not rejoicing about the fire are not exactly grief stricken either. They are also not enthused about the sum of money involved in restoring St Mels. They are not horned demons or anarchistic athiests either. You would be surprised about the walks of life they come from.
    Whether I am one of them or not I wont divulge as it is irrelevant

    i know there are probably lots of people who arent upset but the majority of them especially the older people are upset. also under the current economic climate lots of people think that money used to restore the cathedral would be better spent on something else. there are many families struggling to keep going from one week to another and would give anything to have some of the money that will be used to fund the restoration, however we all know this wont happen. there are many reasons why poeple dont want to see the cathedral restored and we could talk about them in lenght however it still wont change the fact that the restoration will go ahead, and my personal opinion is that i will be very happy when it does.!:D:D:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Apelles


    There's a Poll running on Archiseek to try & ascertain in what manner the Cathedral should be restored. http://www.archiseek.com/content/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=100
    So far it's showing a desire to be rebuilt faithfully as to its pre-Vatican II design before its 70's style makeover. I'd like to know what way Longfordians & others who read this thread feel about the way in which the works should be approached.
    Thanks..Apelles.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    Apelles wrote: »
    There's a Poll running on Archiseek to try & ascertain in what manner the Cathedral should be restored. http://www.archiseek.com/content/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=100
    So far it's showing a desire to be rebuilt faithfully as to its pre-Vatican II design before its 70's style makeover. I'd like to know what way Longfordians & others who read this thread feel about the way in which the works should be approached.
    Thanks..Apelles.

    I wasnt born until '82 so i have no idea what the interior looked like before the makeover. I do believe that it should be restore to what it looked like before the fire, simply because its how i remember it. i dont think it should be modernised or left as a ruins. Why? because modernising such a beautiful catheral would loss its appeal. It is one of the only things Longford has as a tourist attraction and turning into another concert building lacking design would be a waste. leaving it as a ruins its just a no-no, as it is an important part of Longford and would have no benefit for Longford if left as it is. It is already a big loss for people who attend mass on a daily basis, weekend, weddings, etc..Longford needs this cathedral:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭silver campaign


    It should be restored as close to it's original condition as is possible. I'm sure that will be difficult, as I'd imagine, the trades and tradesmen that were around when it was originally built simply don't exist anymore. (The tradesmen certainly) Putting a modern interior inside the existing shell would look wrong to me, but then i'm not an architect.

    Another thing is that people keep referring to the cathedral as Longfords Cathedral, and talking about the 'people of Longford.' Remeber this is the Cathedral for the Diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise. This covers an area much larger than Longford. Just thought I'd through that in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dollydimples82


    [quote=Another thing is that people keep referring to the cathedral as Longfords Cathedral, and talking about the 'people of Longford.' Remeber this is the Cathedral for the Diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise. This covers an area much larger than Longford. Just thought I'd through that in.[/quote]

    we all know that its the cathedral for the Diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise, i guess we keep refering to people of longford and longfords cathedral as its in longford and we see it every day, we dont intend to cause offence and claim ownership! Its just a figure of speech with no harm intended and if i have caused offence to anyone i apologise:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 james1852


    It should be restored as close to it's original condition as is possible. I'm sure that will be difficult, as I'd imagine, the trades and tradesmen that were around when it was originally built simply don't exist anymore. (The tradesmen certainly) Putting a modern interior inside the existing shell would look wrong to me, but then i'm not an architect.

    Another thing is that people keep referring to the cathedral as Longfords Cathedral, and talking about the 'people of Longford.' Remeber this is the Cathedral for the Diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise. This covers an area much larger than Longford. Just thought I'd through that in.

    While the actual tradesmen that originally worked on the Cathedral are not around anymore , at least one firm that worked on St.Mels over 120 years ago still exists.
    The following photos are from our archive and taken in 1925 when St. Mels was decorated by J.Hodkinson & Sons , Ecclesiastical Decorators Limerick , under the management of Louis Hodkinson. The Cathedral had previously been decorated by his father ,James, in 1886. On both these occassions the Cathedral was richly decorated with elaborate stencil designs and gold leaf work on the ceilings and walls. Some of this can be seen in the interior photo below.
    This company still exists today, using the same methods and techniques for the past 150 years.


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