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TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

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  • #482
    MustangMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭MustangMick


    peking97 wrote: »
    So then the G10E has mpeg4 tuner but no mheg5 text
    the G10B has mpeg2 and Freesat built-in but no mpeg4 or mheg5 text
    the G10L has mpeg4 tuner but no built-in Freesat and possibly no mheg5 text:confused:
    All in all a totally unsatisfactory situation.
    Anyone know of a set (preferably Plasma) which has all three features?

    P42G10B works perfectly well with Irish DTT now.

    All 5 channels and EPG at bottom of screen. No Info/Text but that doesn't bother me to be honest...much better picture than previously available in Dundalk.

    It's still a "Test" at the moment so the Text function may appear later?

    Mick


  • #483
    peking97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭peking97


    MustangMick wrote: »
    P42G10B works perfectly well with Irish DTT now.

    Yes but can we be sure that this situation will continue?


  • #484
    mrdtv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭mrdtv


    peking97 wrote: »
    Yes but can we be sure that this situation will continue?

    No. the tests could be stopped at any moment due to RTE's financial problems.


  • #485
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    mrdtv wrote: »
    No. the tests could be stopped at any moment due to RTE's financial problems.

    I presume that is tongue in cheek.

    I would surmise that he actually asking about the technical nature of panasonic "Brit profile" LCDs ability to receive DTT when the service types are changed back to 0x16.

    The answer is save the channels to your favourites and back it up to an SD card.

    Regardless of RTEs financial problems ASO will happen....


  • #486
    In the old days
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭In the old days


    Just wondering if anyone has experience of the Samsung LE...B450 range and if it shows MHEG-5 Digital Text on the DTT engineering tests . Toying with buying the 26" LE26B450 and it would be nice if it had....


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  • #487
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    right, i am currently in the process of purchasing a panasonic 42G10 and was wondering if somebody could clear something up . The dealer offered me either the 42G10L or 42G10B , im aware the G10B has the ethernet socket and the satellite tuner while the G10L instead has DVB-C and VHF tuning , i was wondering could anyone answer me a few questions before i purchase

    1) Does the G10B (UK Model) do DVB-T H.264(Mpeg4) decoding so i can use it for irish DTT ,

    2) when we go entirley digital will i need any sort of decoders or anything to continue receiving cable tv ? or will there even be a point in cable tv if i have terrestrial and sat


  • #488
    kah22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭kah22


    Reading through this tread it seems that manufacturers number their sets for sale in the RoI differently than similar sets been sold in the UK and that as far as the UK is concerned they don't advertise which sets are mpeg 4 compatible.

    So with a lot of shoppers crossing the border and buying north can anyone supply me with details of sets been sold in the north that support mpeg4. I'll soon be in the market for a new TV and I'm especially interested in a 32 inch tv, any bigger and it would look out of place. My favourite manufacturer is Pansonic.

    As a by-the-way anyone bought their TV in either Newry or Armagh and would recommend a retailer who's staff knew what they were talking about when it came to mpeg4 and mpeg2 and other bits and pieces. I get lost :o

    I live in Armagh and receive my Freeview and the Republics digital TV services through a Sagem digi box, but it freezes that often that many a time I feel like throwing it out through the window.

    Kevin


  • #489
    Souriau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    As a by-the-way anyone bought their TV in either Newry or Armagh and would recommend a retailer who's staff knew what they were talking about when it came to mpeg4 and mpeg2 and other bits and pieces. I get lost :o

    Kevin[/quote]

    The one in Newry who know what he is talking about is
    Conor Toale, Newage Electricial, Rathfriland Road, Newry
    +44 28 3025 0022

    For anyone who got Garmin Sat Nav, N54.18779 W6.31946
    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=N54.18779+W6.31946&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=%2B54%C2%B0+11'+16.04%22,+-6%C2%B0+19'+10.06%22&gl=uk&ei=nb4lS9XCNofLjAfmy_niBw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA


  • #490
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    right, i am currently in the process of purchasing a panasonic 42G10 and was wondering if somebody could clear something up . The dealer offered me either the 42G10L or 42G10B , im aware the G10B has the ethernet socket and the satellite tuner while the G10L instead has DVB-C and VHF tuning , i was wondering could anyone answer me a few questions before i purchase

    1) Does the G10B (UK Model) do DVB-T H.264(Mpeg4) decoding so i can use it for irish DTT ,

    2) when we go entirley digital will i need any sort of decoders or anything to continue receiving cable tv ? or will there even be a point in cable tv if i have terrestrial and sat

    Stay AWAY from Panasonics. They are not manufactured with Ireland in mind. If you get the freesat Combo version it will not include all the necessary firmware to decode Irish DTT (without using third party software to hack it). Its al fine for those that have tuned in the station already (RTE had some stuff turned off that allowed this for a short period - but not any longer). NTL use VHF in Dublin for analogue. No VHF analogue tuner in the pani's!

    Look at the LG "LF7700" series. Freesat/Irish DTT/Analogue tuners VHF/UHF. LCDs come in 32,37,42,47. The 47 is 699, 42 - 599. On special with Richersounds at moment.

    The 32 is around the 399 STG mark.

    NTL Question

    When you connect this up will you get rid of NTL if you are paying for it - that was the question right ? NTL basic analogue is €26.50 a month for these.

    tv_analogue.png

    Out of those channels that you would pay for the following are legally free with a combo Freesat TV.

    RTE1 (DTT)
    RTE2 (DTT
    TV3 (DTT)
    Tg4 (DTT)

    BBC1 and 2, UTV, Sky News , Ch 4, e4 (via freesat)

    The following are not on NTL basic (but free on Combo Freesat TV)

    Too many to list in a picture.

    http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?page=whatson.Main


  • #491
    patrick whitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭patrick whitty


    i have 4 samsong teles all le models all with dvb-t and i am receiving all rte channels including news and sport ch.


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  • #492
    givecredit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭givecredit


    STB wrote: »
    Look at the LG "LF7700" series. Freesat/Irish DTT/Analogue tuners VHF/UHF. LCDs come in 32,37,42,47. The 47 is 699, 42 - 599. On special with Richersounds at moment.

    The 32 is around the 399 STG mark.

    ]

    Been trying to get the lg 32 inch for my parents for xmas. Cannot get one for love nor money. Out of stock. Anybody know where i could source one??


  • #493
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    givecredit wrote: »
    Been trying to get the lg 32 inch for my parents for xmas. Cannot get one for love nor money. Out of stock. Anybody know where i could source one??

    Bit tight for Christmas!

    You would pick one up in NI. That Curry's/PC World/Dixons chain have them for STG449.

    There is about 14 Curry's alone in NI.


  • #494
    stutoken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭stutoken


    Hi there,

    First time posting on this forum and hoping to get bit more info from your good selves on rte digital.
    I'm living in Omagh area and had been viewing rte analogue.
    Over past few weeks both living room tv and bedroom tv have picked up the rte digital channels with varying success.
    In living room we have a Panasonic TX-L32S10B and all channels have tuned in, however TV3 and TG4 and RTE news do not display picture, only sound. RTE1 and RTE2 show picture after a short blue screen loading sequence.
    Bedroom TV is a Samsung     LE22B450 and this receives all channels just as it receives UK freeview with all channels displaying picture instantly with no loading sequence required.
    Both tvs were purchased from uk internet sites and I assume were built for UK markets.
    So, I'm basically looking to know if anyone can tell me why the panasonic can display video for RTE1 and RTE2 and not the other channels. Further to this has anyone got any suggestions that will enable the panasonic to display picture for all the stations tuned.

    Thanks,

    Stuart.


  • #495
    Souriau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    stutoken wrote: »
    Hi there,

    First time posting on this forum and hoping to get bit more info from your good selves on rte digital.
    I'm living in Omagh area and had been viewing rte analogue.
    Over past few weeks both living room tv and bedroom tv have picked up the rte digital channels with varying success.
    In living room we have a Panasonic TX-L32S10B and all channels have tuned in, however TV3 and TG4 and RTE news do not display picture, only sound. RTE1 and RTE2 show picture after a short blue screen loading sequence.
    Bedroom TV is a Samsung LE22B450 and this receives all channels just as it receives UK freeview with all channels displaying picture instantly with no loading sequence required.
    Both tvs were purchased from uk internet sites and I assume were built for UK markets.
    So, I'm basically looking to know if anyone can tell me why the panasonic can display video for RTE1 and RTE2 and not the other channels. Further to this has anyone got any suggestions that will enable the panasonic to display picture for all the stations tuned.

    Thanks,

    Stuart.

    Ireland DTT is using the newer system, MPEG-4 and UK freeview is using MPEG-2 but in some area in England are also using MPEG-4 but not in Northern Ireland until 2012 when it is fully switch over and all analouge transmission are turn off.
    Most of UK Freeview TV are in MPEG-2, some of the newer TV have MPEG-4 build-in like Samsung, LG, Sony (some of the model not all, so be sure it got MPEG-4). There is no UK - Ireland MPEG-4 spec set-top boxes for sale yet.
    I hope I am right in all of this


  • #496
    stutoken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭stutoken


    Thanks for the reply.
    I had read about the mpeg2/mpeg4 issue before so wasn't expecting to receive picture on any of the ireland DTT channels. The samsung clearly has MPEG4 capabilities as it shows video for all DTT ireland channels. Just confused as to why the panasonic displays video for RTE1 and RTE2 but not the other channels. Are RTE1 & 2 broadcast in MPEG2 format?


  • #497
    Souriau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    stutoken wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply.
    I had read about the mpeg2/mpeg4 issue before so wasn't expecting to receive picture on any of the ireland DTT channels. The samsung clearly has MPEG4 capabilities as it shows video for all DTT ireland channels. Just confused as to why the panasonic displays video for RTE1 and RTE2 but not the other channels. Are RTE1 & 2 broadcast in MPEG2 format?

    All channels on Ireland DTT are in MPEG-4 and MHEG-5, digital Text, but for some reason Panasonic is not design to work on Irish specification, at the moment you are just seeing MPEG-4 video on Panasonic by off chance as it is not a full MPEG-4 specification, something to do with service type
    See
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63147749&postcount=479
    for more info


  • #498
    Donegal_TDI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Donegal_TDI


    Panasonic TX-L37G15 works perfectly well with RTE digital, picture, sound, teletext, epg all work, no issues at all.
    Throw in Freesat capabilities for good measure.
    Great TV, head and shoulders above a lot of the stuff I see being flogged to the public, 4 hdmi, component video, 2 scarts, dig audio out.
    Brilliant for the price.
    Incidently, I have a NI postcode in the menu to get regionalised programs on freesat.


  • #499
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Donegal_TDI wrote: »
    Panasonic TX-L37G15 works perfectly well with RTE digital, picture, sound, teletext, epg all work, no issues at all.
    Throw in Freesat capabilities for good measure.
    Great TV, head and shoulders above a lot of the stuff I see being flogged to the public, 4 hdmi, component video, 2 scarts, dig audio out.
    Brilliant for the price.
    Incidently, I have a NI postcode in the menu to get regionalised programs on freesat.

    Whe did you last tune in the dvb-t stations Donegal ? There are problems with the G10 series and PZ81/LZD81 series tuning in Irish DTT because of Advanced Codec flags being set.


  • #500
    Donegal_TDI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Donegal_TDI


    Night before last.
    Message came up saying extra channels were found.
    Do you want to add them to epg?
    Yes.
    It then went off and did a total rescan
    and all channels were presented as normal.
    EPG works.
    Teletext works.
    Everything works.
    No issues and it is a Panasonic,
    model TX-L37G15.


  • #501
    vince
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭vince


    what do yee think of the LG 32 LH4000. and is there much differance in picture quality between 50000:1 and 80000:1 contrast ratio


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  • #502
    Souriau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    Donegal_TDI wrote: »
    Night before last.
    Message came up saying extra channels were found.
    Do you want to add them to epg?
    Yes.
    It then went off and did a total rescan
    and all channels were presented as normal.
    EPG works.
    Teletext works.
    Everything works.
    No issues and it is a Panasonic,
    model TX-L37G15.

    Do you mean Digital Text or just orginal AERTEL Text?
    My LG show new Digital Text, MHEG-5, while the Humax is showing orginal AERTEL text on DTT


  • #503
    Donegal_TDI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Donegal_TDI


    Souriau wrote: »
    Do you mean Digital Text or just orginal AERTEL Text?
    My LG show new Digital Text, MHEG-5, while the Humax is showing orginal AERTEL text on DTT
    New digital text, it all works perfect.
    The model number is Panasonic TX-L37G15
    From my own experience of it,
    and providing RTE don't change anything,
    everything works perfect.
    The connectivity on this TV is top notch,
    and the way it integrates and controls the rest of my equipment is faultless.
    Perfect for Irish environment,
    especially if you have satellite.


  • #504
    jammygit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭jammygit


    The Cush wrote: »
    The French DTT (TNT) standard is DVB-T/MPEG2 for the FTA SD channels, DVB-T/MPEG4 for the Pay SD channels, for the 4 FTA HD channels (TF1 HD, France 2 HD, M6 HD, Arte HD), for 1 Pay HD channel (Canal+ HD).
    The difference is the interactive standard France had planned to use the MHP standard (on hold due to royalty issues), the UK and Ireland standard is MHEG5.

    So if the tv is French TNT and UK freeview compatible it should decode MPEG4 and display an EPG in MHEG5.

    The Sony range of MPEG4 televisions appear to be compatible with DTT standards across Europe, if you see one of their TV's on display in a shop a sticker on the tv displays the logos of the various national DTT organisations, including TNT and freeview with which the tv is compatible.

    BTW: there is no name or logo for Irish DTT yet, anyone care to start a thread for suggestions :rolleyes: - might be cheaper than an expensive government contract in these cash strapped times, Minister Eamon Ryan might be browsing.

    It's important to note that DTT receivers specified for other markets will not necessarily work within Ireland. This is because each country and network has its own identifier, broadcast with the signal. If the set does not recognise this identifier it will not tune to the signal.

    Best to make no purchase decision until final certification and logo for Ireland is determined, otherwise you might find your set does not work at launch. Remember the transmissions are still tests and are subject to change.


  • #505
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭slegs


    jammygit wrote: »
    It's important to note that DTT receivers specified for other markets will not necessarily work within Ireland. This is because each country and network has its own identifier, broadcast with the signal. If the set does not recognise this identifier it will not tune to the signal.

    Best to make no purchase decision until final certification and logo for Ireland is determined, otherwise you might find your set does not work at launch. Remember the transmissions are still tests and are subject to change.

    Your advice is good but it must be noted that I have not seen any reports of TVs failing to tune because of an unrecognised Network ID which would make sense as it is unlikely the TV manufacturers would hard code something like that when it may change or be added to.

    The main reason for problems seems to be the use of the Advanced SD Codec flag for DVB-T/MPEG4 which is not recognised on TVs where they are using an older legacy interpretation of the DVB standard in firmware. This is where the Panasonic MPEG4/DVB-T TVs are having trouble - and I would blame Panasonic for being sloppy here. Sonys, LGs, Samsungs, Philips and Toshibas all seem to be handling this OK when they are capable of receiving DVB-T/MPEG4.

    Also worth noting that the Irish setup of DVB-T/MPEG4 is far from unique even in Europe.


  • #506
    jammygit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭jammygit


    slegs wrote: »
    Your advice is good but it must be noted that I have not seen any reports of TVs failing to tune because of an unrecognised Network ID which would make sense as it is unlikely the TV manufacturers would hard code something like that when it may change or be added to.

    The main reason for problems seems to be the use of the Advanced SD Codec flag for DVB-T/MPEG4 which is not recognised on TVs where they are using an older legacy interpretation of the DVB standard in firmware. This is where the Panasonic MPEG4/DVB-T TVs are having trouble - and I would blame Panasonic for being sloppy here. Sonys, LGs, Samsungs, Philips and Toshibas all seem to be handling this OK when they are capable of receiving DVB-T/MPEG4.

    Also worth noting that the Irish setup of DVB-T/MPEG4 is far from unique even in Europe.
    I agree with you regarding the Panasonic; but remember it is still possible that a change in network ID can knock out reception in existing receivers. This has happened before with UK DTT receivers when Ireland began testing initially with MPEG-2. When they switched on the network ID flag some of these receivers no longer functioned. And remember the Panasonic set you mentioned did originally work with MPEG-4 until RTE made a change within its transmissions.
    The fact that we have no test transmission for the Pay-TV service is a cause for concern here. In the absence of these it is not possible to test for co-existence of the (planned) four DTT multiplexes. In addition there remains a question about the co-existence with freeview in border areas.
    The potential implication of this is that existing receivers may place channels in non-logical order, or simply prioritise UK channels over the Irish ones in border and east coast areas where co-reception is possible.


  • #507
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Not sure if the flag is off or not but after buying a better antenna than a coathanger today (an 11 euro investment) my panasonic p42g10b found all 4 tv and 10 radio services , the tv services came up as encrypted but still scanned and viewed just fine, added to favourites just incase, epg and text works so its safe to believe this tv supports mheg 5 and mpeg 4


  • #508
    pbirney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭pbirney


    Can anoyne confirm if the 15" or 19" LCD TV's on sale in Marks & Spencer are compatible with the Irish DTT? I'm getting conflicting info. from the staff when I call to enquire (no surprise there :rolleyes:)


  • #509
    pes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭pes


    :confused: Dont really know but has anyone out there got a 15 or 19 inch model with mpeg 4 specs working dtt ireland>?
    Thanks
    Pes


  • #510
    Technique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Technique


    Samsung LE26B450C4 from Amazon UK has picked up Irish DTT from Holywell Hill transmitter in NE Donegal.


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  • #511
    JRH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭JRH


    picked up 22" LG M227WDP for mother for kitchen ....getting the 5 channels here in grange north sligo from maplin aerial in attic ...great picture ...better than the satellite ...my god RTE got their act together ....so happy and great little tv .:)


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