New Porsche 911

rohatch · 12-12-2009 5:35pm #1

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

Anan1 · 12-12-2009 5:38pm

If someone has the money and wants the car then I don't see the problem, TBH. It's not as if they're telling you what you can and cannot spend your money on.

Lauder · 12-12-2009 5:42pm

rohatch wrote: »

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

I'd say fair play to them! We all can be set in this recessionary mindset. My spending has actually increased dramatically in the in the last 18 months, so best way to beat the recession is to ignore it!

Dave. · 12-12-2009 5:44pm

Some people ain't hit by the recession, fair play to them if they can afford a brand new 911. If they didn't buy new 911's there would be a shortage of used ones in the future

syberspud · 12-12-2009 5:48pm

While it's a "problem" I'd love to have, I kinda see where the OP is coming from. I think I would drive something nice but understated (like an RS4) if I was loaded. Ireland is way too small to enjoy a supercar imho. Personally, I'd be a bit embarrassed turning heads with a 200k car in Dublin. Now Europe or the States is a different story! :P

Actually, on further consideration, I wouldn't live in Ireland at all if I was rich. Too many begrudgers.

jon1981 · 12-12-2009 5:52pm

typical begrudging.... sure isn't it the Irish way!

why should the person have to hide their money...if he/she has done well in life he/she reserves the right to enjoy it.

Theboinkmaster · 12-12-2009 5:53pm

rohatch wrote: »

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

TBH the fact that you started this thread and the language you used suggests to me you're just a typcial irish begrudger

Who gives a rats arse whether we're in recession. If someone wants to drive a 09 porsche fair play to them - what business is it of yours

peasant · 12-12-2009 5:56pm

rohatch wrote: »

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

Advertising the fact that you can afford a certain car is far less frivolous than driving around in something that you actually can't afford

NLane · 12-12-2009 6:15pm

rohatch wrote: »

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

come on, it's just someone driving a nice car! why do you seem to think they're trying to show everyone what they can afford?? this post is so incredibly begrudging.

unkel · 12-12-2009 6:22pm

Lauder wrote: »

I'd say fair play to them! We all can be set in this recessionary mindset.

+1

It's the people that don't need to slow down their spending (but do) that make recessions as bad as they are. Fair play to your man in his brand new Porsche!

-Chris- · 12-12-2009 6:23pm

rohatch wrote: »

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

If nobody spends money, we'll never get out of the recession - God bless that big-spender, they paid tens of thousands of Euro in VRT and Vat into the tax system and gave some Porsche salesman the commission to buy his kids a Christmas tree.

Meh!

rohatch · 12-12-2009 6:41pm

No, its nothing to do with being able to afford it or begrudgery.

I would like to buy a new 5 series in march, or the 530d GT but I am concerned about the fact that next year with 20% unemployment, dole cut more, more professional people will be out of work, the poor and the crims will be on the lookout for easy targets.

NLane · 12-12-2009 6:43pm

rohatch wrote: »

No, its nothing to do with being able to afford it or begrudgery.
....the poor and the crims will be on the lookout for easy targets.

this is not what you said in your original post, how were we to understand that this is what you meant?

Anan1 · 12-12-2009 6:46pm

I assume a new 911 would be comprehensively insured.

Lauder · 12-12-2009 6:49pm

rohatch wrote: »

No, its nothing to do with being able to afford it or begrudgery.

I would like to buy a new 5 series in march, or the 530d GT but I am concerned about the fact that next year with 20% unemployment, dole cut more, more professional people will be out of work, the poor and the crims will be on the lookout for easy targets.

Well hopefully the government will get tougher on crime then, particuarly petty crime. Id love to see the day where people get properly punished for keying cars and vandalism.

In fairness, I thought the same when I bought my c-class in October,, i was worried about the car being attacked by begrudgers etc..., but we cant let the fear of these scumbags defeat us.

Zonda999 · 12-12-2009 6:50pm

-Chris- wrote: »

If nobody spends money, we'll never get out of the recession

Exactly! The more new 911's we see around the place the quicker our finances are in orde!:)

Darragh29 · 12-12-2009 7:07pm

peasant wrote: »

Advertising the fact that you can afford a certain car is far less frivolous than driving around in something that you actually can't afford

Just 'cos your driving a new Porche doesn't mean yoy can afford it! Some of the muppets who bought a new Porche within the last few years couldn't afford them and had them repo'd or else managed to flog them off. Personally I dan't understand the need to use a vehicle to define who you are and this is what people who buy Porche's, buy them for, to make a statement about themselves.

rabbitinlights · 12-12-2009 7:14pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Some of the muppets who bought a new Porche within the last few years couldn't afford them and had them repo'd or else managed to flog them off.

Don't forget the people who bought VWs/Audi's/BMW who could not afford them either......

*Kol* · 12-12-2009 7:16pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Just 'cos your driving a new Porche doesn't mean yoy can afford it! Some of the muppets who bought a new Porche within the last few years couldn't afford them and had them repo'd or else managed to flog them off. Personally I dan't understand the need to use a vehicle to define who you are and this is what people who buy Porche's, buy them for, to make a statement about themselves.

Bit of a sweeping generalisation there. Perhaps they just want a nice car?? Perhaps they like Porsche's?? Perhaps they want to make a statement about themselves?? Who knows?? Who cares??

NLane · 12-12-2009 7:18pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Just 'cos your driving a new Porche doesn't mean yoy can afford it! Some of the muppets who bought a new Porche within the last few years couldn't afford them and had them repo'd or else managed to flog them off. Personally I dan't understand the need to use a vehicle to define who you are and this is what people who buy Porche's, buy them for, to make a statement about themselves.

what are you basing that on?

Darragh29 · 12-12-2009 7:18pm

rabbitinlights wrote: »

Don't forget the people who bought VWs/Audi's/BMW who could not afford them either......

Yeah but I recall a few MD's going out and buying a Porche, I'd be of the view that this is reckless if you have a business. Whataver about someone spending 22K on a VW Golf and losing a job and then the car, like that could happen anyone, but to spend over 100K on a set of wheels I think is just irresponsible. Sure even the Porche dealer in Ireland now has gone under!!!

ION08 · 12-12-2009 7:23pm

Road tax, VRT and VAT could all be multiplied by 2 and a compulsary 10% donation to charity could be introduced as a "fancy car tax" and you'd still have begrdugers like the op sayin look at yer man there..

ikillcopiers · 12-12-2009 9:05pm

I say fair play to the guy for his 2009 911!

Life is too short to be holding back on this stuff all the time,
you could be die next week for all you know.

If the guy afford a new 911 my hat goes off to him,
he obviously wanted one and went out and got it.

A lot of people only think they're into "fast" cars, but the
guys who go out and buy them put their money where their
mouth is that really are.

Get down off your high horse, given the year 2009 was he most
likely didn't get much credit and thought long and hard before
buying it.

Kudos to the man!

mickdw · 12-12-2009 10:30pm

Id have one if I had that kinda spare cash.
An expensive car will really show that you are well off nowadays and that would spur some people on more than in the good times. In the good times, many many people could have one of those if they really wanted one but now, finance isnt flowing for 200k cars so its genuinely well off people that will have them.

PatHawkins · 12-12-2009 10:42pm

rohatch wrote: »

How do you lot feel about this?

Not my money and not my business.

We are not ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

tdc · 12-12-2009 11:30pm

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

he wants one and can afford it so why shouldnt he get one? would you feel better if he didnt buy it?? the car was paid for with HIS money that HE earned. why does it bother you so much? jealous, begrudging people like you really do my head in.

How do you lot feel about this?

I feel you should think before you post in the future so you dont come across as a jealous idiot again.

Cyrus · 13-12-2009 12:37am

i say fair play to the guy,

ill have one as soon as i can afford a decent one,

i was walking back to my car in town last weekend and i saw a fella little older than me in a 997 911 stuck in traffic trying to get round the green, i was admiring the car and couldnt help smiling as i looked at it, he saw me looking and i gave him a thumbs up, he looked genuinely chuffed,

fair play to him

unkel · 13-12-2009 12:49am

Cyrus wrote: »

i gave him a thumbs up, he looked genuinely chuffed,

fair play to him

And fair play to you!

-Chris- · 13-12-2009 1:00am

tdc wrote: »

I feel you should think before you post in the future so you dont come across as a jealous idiot again.

Completely unnecessary. Infracted.

copacetic · 13-12-2009 1:04am

Darragh29 wrote: »

this is what people who buy Porche's, buy them for, to make a statement about themselves.

rubbish, so anyone who has a decent car, bought it to make a statement about themselves? the usual begrudery, jealousy and small mindedness of this thread is sickening.

-Chris- · 13-12-2009 1:07am

rohatch wrote: »

No, its nothing to do with being able to afford it or begrudgery.

I would like to buy a new 5 series in march, or the 530d GT but I am concerned about the fact that next year with 20% unemployment, dole cut more, more professional people will be out of work, the poor and the crims will be on the lookout for easy targets.

Buy the car, enjoy it.

IMHO, you're not seeing the begrudgery you were expecting, and that should give you license to get your '10 reg on your nice car and feel free to appreciate what your hard work has earned you.

galwaytt · 13-12-2009 1:08am

Darragh29 wrote: »

...Personally I dan't understand the need to use a vehicle to define who you are and this is what people who buy Porche's, buy them for, to make a statement about themselves.

.....then you're in denial.

That same emotion that drives us P-car owners is the same one that makes Man U fans pay daft money for match tickets, makes RoI fans travel half-way round the globe to watch us draw, makes people want to take up their footpaths and put in pavers, makes some people want to take holidays to Macchu Picchu instead of lying aroudn the Costa del Whatsit, makes poeple buy Type R's instead of 1.4i 's, makes them buy Abercrombie & Fitch instead of Dunnes, or drinks VKD instead of Club orange.......the list goes on......

iow - you do the same, we just haven't figured out what the outward manifestation of your personality is yet. Presumably it's not cars, but who knows ?

And anyone who who judges anyone, especially negatively, based on something as personal as subjective choice - of anyting -, is a condescending begrudger. OP - that's exactly what you sound like.

Me ? I'm in construction (only since 06/07), am on the same financial knife edge as anyone else, and when I saw the DB9 in traffic last night in Galway, I didn't thing 'tosser', I thought: 'one day', and believe me, one day, I will. Might be an 911, might be an R8, might be a DB7, but I won't be looking for anything other than my own approval when I do it.

Without dreams, this ****hole of a country is just a...........an even bigger ****hole/black hole, combined.

The commercial aspect of someone making such choices shouldn't be underestimated: that sale has had a domino effect in terms of jobs both now, and down the road (sic). If they have that much money, then having sitting in the bank, under the fingers of criminals like Mr Fitzpatrick, Mr Drumm et al serves no-one except..........Mr Fitzpatrick and Mr Drumm........

...really, some people........:mad:

seclachi · 13-12-2009 1:10am

Most people would dream of getting an 09 Porche, if he has the means then why not. The way people go on now about spending money you`d think were behind the iron curtain waiting 12 months for our Trabant.

-Chris- · 13-12-2009 1:16am

copacetic wrote: »

rubbish, so anyone who has a decent car, bought it to make a statement about themselves?

I don't think that's that unlikely a statement - people buy cars to reflect how they feel or how they want others to see them.

If that wasn't true, we'd all be in Skodas rather than VWs or Audis. I'd go as far as hazarding a guess that anyone driving around in an '09 Skoda at the moment also bought it to make a statement about themselves...

copacetic wrote: »

the usual begrudery, jealousy and small mindedness of this thread is sickening.

Absolutely, and I'm not a fan of the begrudgery at all, but I feel the OP had an ulterior motive when starting the thread.

galwaytt · 13-12-2009 1:18am

rohatch wrote: »

No, its nothing to do with being able to afford it or begrudgery.

I would like to buy a new 5 series in march, or the 530d GT but I am concerned about the fact that next year with 20% unemployment, dole cut more, more professional people will be out of work, the poor and the crims will be on the lookout for easy targets.

...and how will you buying, or not buying a car - of any kind - affect that? At least if you buy a car, you will generate economic activity. That's the only way the dole queue will get shorter. I'm reminded of that famous quote by Edmund Burke, suitably paraphrased for this instance to read "it is only necessary for the sustenance of mediocrity....for abled-men to do nothing".

Why live your life hostage to someone else ? Jeebus, just stay in and lock the doors then, and keep an eye on the email for the one telling you the Recession Is Over. It's over as soon as we all unwind a bit, and work with what we have.

rohatch · 13-12-2009 3:06pm

galwaytt wrote: »

That's the only way the dole queue will get shorter.

What planet are you on. The dole queues will just get longer and longer. Do you have any idea how bad it will be here in 12 months.

I do NOT want to be attracting attention to myself.

I love cars as much as anyone, BUT a new 911 is a BEACON signalling look what I have, look how much money I have. In uncertain economic times it is more prudent not to show what you have.

galwaytt wrote: »

keep an eye on the email for the one telling you the Recession Is Over.

The recession hasn't even begun yet

tdc wrote: »

he wants one and can afford it so why shouldnt he get one? would you feel better if he didnt buy it?? the car was paid for with HIS money that HE earned. why does it bother you so much? jealous, begrudging people like you really do my head in.

I feel you should think before you post in the future so you dont come across as a jealous idiot again.

Brilliant, no idea what part of the post you are replying to. I admire your ability for interpretation.

NLane · 13-12-2009 3:25pm

rohatch wrote: »

The dole queues will just get longer and longer. Do you have any idea how bad it will be here in 12 months.

not helped by the attitude "oh no i better not buy anything that someone might want to steal".... like a few people have said, spending money in our economy, especially on something like a new car, generates income for the state that helps them balance the books. so fair play to the new 911 owner, and to anyone else who buys a new car over the next few years, they are helping a devastated industry in a devastated economy. and people insure cars btw.

Marlow · 13-12-2009 3:31pm

rohatch wrote: »

What planet are you on. The dole queues will just get longer and longer. Do you have any idea how bad it will be here in 12 months.

I do NOT want to be attracting attention to myself.

I love cars as much as anyone, BUT a new 911 is a BEACON signalling look what I have, look how much money I have. In uncertain economic times it is more prudent not to show what you have.

No, it's not. It is for some people and then there are others, that just love cars and don't care about what people think about them. You can't throw them all in one bucket.

rohatch wrote: »

The recession hasn't even begun yet

That's the mindset that makes the recession happening. The recession happened because of lack of forward planning, news media telling us it is recession and us believing, it's the case.

No recession would have happened, if people not been shafting everybody on end, taking loans for everything, just to show off and would have planned just a little bit ahead.

Recession still doesn't apply to everybody, as there is businesses that are still doing well, as they supply a market with demand no matter what.

The only thing that changed is, that people now only can spend what money they have in the bank.

Fair fox to yer man, that was able to buy a 2009 Porsche and thumbs up.

/M

daveharnett · 13-12-2009 4:02pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Sure even the Porche dealer in Ireland now has gone under!!!

Indeed. If more people who could afford to had followed this gent's lead, then the Porche dealer would still be able to pay his employees, his employees would be able to pay their paye, and their vat on the nice christmas pressies, and keep a couple of shop workers in their jobs. Spending is the best possible thing somebody with a few quid can do for the country.

Edit: Not to mention this chap's massive direct 'donation' to the government coffers in VRT and VAT.

daveharnett · 13-12-2009 4:20pm

rohatch wrote: »

Is more prudent not to show what you have.

That's fair enough, I think, and if I were in this chaps financial shoes I would be going for something like an M5 or RS6, modified so that non car enthusiasts couldn't distinguish it from the base car.

But that's nothing against somebody who does choose an overtly expensive car. There are always going to be differences in people's economic circumstances, and people who do particularly well have nothing to apologies for. There will always be somebody worse off who can interpret your spending as showing off, if they choose to: What would a starving man think about joe bloggs splashing out on a new golf?

Biro · 13-12-2009 4:43pm

rohatch wrote: »

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

Stupid thread of the year award! So you're not allowed drive nice cars in a recession? Shame on Porsche for even making nice cars in a recession!
In my opinion, yer man couldn't have bought his Porsche at a better time! Any economist will tell you that for best value for your money you save when everyone else is spending, and spend when everyone else is saving!! I bet the discount on his Porsche now was a hell of a lot better than this time two years ago!
Fair play to him and his kind. I just hope he's the type to enjoy the mechanical quality of the brand and not just the brand!

Biro · 13-12-2009 4:54pm

Chris wrote:

I don't think that's that unlikely a statement - people buy cars to reflect how they feel or how they want others to see them.

If that wasn't true, we'd all be in Skodas rather than VWs or Audis. I'd go as far as hazarding a guess that anyone driving around in an '09 Skoda at the moment also bought it to make a statement about themselves...

daveharnett wrote: »

That's fair enough, I think, and if I were in this chaps financial shoes I would be going for something like an M5 or RS6, modified so that non car enthusiasts couldn't distinguish it from the base car.

But that's nothing against somebody who does choose an overtly expensive car. There are always going to be differences in people's economic circumstances, and people who do particularly well have nothing to apologies for. There will always be somebody worse off who can interpret your spending as showing off, if they choose to: What would a starving man think about joe bloggs splashing out on a new golf?

It's true that many people do buy cars like this to make a statement, but not everyone does. M5's and RS6's are specific kinds of cars, and they offer a set of qualities themselves, but a 911 and cars like it offer quite a different set of qualities. Sure many qualities like speed are common to both, but if you want a fast rear-engined light supercar/sports car, then a powerful saloon won't do.
And as for Golfs, often those kind of buyers are the most silly/boastful. They go and borrow the whole amount of the cost of the car, for what? To show their friends that they have a 09 car? My bet is many brand new Golf buyers can less afford their Golf and owe a far higher percentage of the cost of it than the Porsche owner! So who is living beyond their means the more? If you're living beyond your means, then you're being much more boastful than buying what you can afford.

daveharnett · 13-12-2009 5:27pm

Biro wrote: »

M5's and RS6's are specific kinds of cars, and they offer a set of qualities themselves, but a 911 and cars like it offer quite a different set of qualities. Sure many qualities like speed are common to both, but if you want a fast rear-engined light supercar/sports car, then a powerful saloon won't do.

True that, and I suppose distinctive looks are part of the package with a supercar (or is it a high-end sports car?) too.

I was suggesting that the dressed down fast saloons would be a more prudent choice, but I guess that kind of thinking would end up with everyone driving diesel avensises (avenses?).

T-Square · 13-12-2009 6:25pm

rohatch wrote: »

I was in Celbridge yesterday and I spotted a brand new silver 911 and it made me think.

Is this the type of car you wanna be driving in a recession.

Do you want/need to advertise the fact that you can blow 170k in this day and age on a fcuking car.

How do you lot feel about this?

I feel you need to wise up.

Cyrus · 13-12-2009 10:48pm

rohatch wrote: »

I do NOT want to be attracting attention to myself.

I love cars as much as anyone,

to sentence one, buy a golf diesel then and be done with it

to sentence two, obviously not

Mr Benevolent · 13-12-2009 11:08pm

There's a middle ground - make it look as though you have money with a 5-10 year old luxobarge. All the fun without the horrific depreciation, that's they way I'll be doing it. That said, fair play to anyone who buy a brand new Porsche/5 series, big purchases really help the economy.

E39MSport · 14-12-2009 10:31am

rohatch wrote: »

No, its nothing to do with being able to afford it or begrudgery.

I would like to buy a new 5 series in march, or the 530d GT but I am concerned about the fact that next year with 20% unemployment, dole cut more, more professional people will be out of work, the poor and the crims will be on the lookout for easy targets.

Don't think you'll get quite the same attention in your new 530d as a 911. You'll be grand. Spread some mud and shyte on it to keep those pesky poor people away.

agent_smith · 14-12-2009 10:58am

I'm totally of the opinion fair play to this guy. He has put thousands of euros in to the irish tax system (VRT and VAT). He has kept someone in a porsche garage in a job. Nice that someone is spending.
I can understand the OP's worries though... in a time like this. It does breed jealousy and personally i would be put off purely from the point of view of being afraid someone is going to key it.
Personally if i was going to spend 200k on a new car I think i would have spent the money on a year old DB9 but I prefer aston martin to the porsche... thats my only criticism of the porsche drivers choice!

rohatch · 14-12-2009 1:52pm

Marlow wrote: »

That's the mindset that makes the recession happening. The recession happened because of lack of forward planning, news media telling us it is recession and us believing, it's the case.

/M

The recession happened because we live in a backward country with gombeen cowboys running things.

The current value of derivatives is over 7 times the planets GDP, do you understand that the way of life we have is finished.

T-Square wrote: »

I feel you need to wise up.

Why bother posting? try to read the whole thread 1st, until then S.T.F.Up

Biro wrote: »

So you're not allowed drive nice cars in a recession? Shame on Porsche for even making nice cars in a recession!
In my opinion, yer man couldn't have bought his Porsche at a better time! Any economist will tell you that for best value for your money you save when everyone else is spending, and spend when everyone else is saving!! I bet the discount on his Porsche now was a hell of a lot better than this time two years ago!
Fair play to him and his kind. I just hope he's the type to enjoy the mechanical quality of the brand and not just the brand!

Pity you missed the actual point of the thread so I will point you to the reply above.

BTW I am an economist, don't go quoting what you do not understand.

Alanstrainor · 14-12-2009 1:52pm

I say fair play to the chap too, lord knows if i had that kind of cash i would be spending it on an equivalent motor.

tin79 · 14-12-2009 2:01pm

rohatch wrote: »

BTW I am an economist

Arent we all.

Loved the "poor and the crims" reference BTW.

Fair play to the guy I say (like 99% of the others have said).

New Porsche 911

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